Microsoft Ends Mainstream Support For Windows 7

[Insert_Nickname]

Btw fast bootup enabled?..I find Win8/8.1 better with fast boot disabled.

Indeed. Fast boot causes all kinds of weird errors.

 

[Mem]

What an exaggeration! Lol. Did someone hold a gun to your head and tell you that you couldn't use DOS and Amiga anymore? That's just as silly as disallowing someone from listening to 50s-90s music and forcing them to listen to Justin Bieber. I would swiftly grab their gun and shoot off that persons feet and arms so that they could never have the ability to point a gun at my head again.

You miss the point completely,DOS 6.22 was phased out for Windows,Amiga well we all know what happened to that and it's software support,point I was making you have to move on sooner or later,nothing lasts forever,clear now?

 

[Mem]

Indeed. Fast boot causes all kinds of weird errors.

Drivers are normally the ones with issues on fast bootup,can get weird shutdown issues or lack of as well.

 

[Morbus]

7 is just obsolete to a current patched Win 8.1 in 2015.

I wish. Fully patched windows 8 is still bonkers, hard to use and unstable as hell, at least on my work machine. And on my boss' as well.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Drivers are normally the ones with issues on fast bootup,can get weird shutdown issues or lack of as well.

Yes, particularly of the USB variety. If you're using Intel, don't forget to update ME either (also in BIOS/UEFI), older versions can cause trouble.

 

[imagoon]

No need to panic, it means nothing!

Windows 7 will long live just like XP did:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-7-support-what-happens-on-january-13-2015/

Windows 7 FTW

For Future Reference: Windows Lifecycle Fact Sheet

It means Mainstream support ended. Same exact way mainstream support ended and extended support began for you know... Windows 3.1... 95, 98, ME, 2000, Vista.... MS will not accept feature requests anymore etc. IE zdnet needed report about nothing and provided it pretty well.

 

[TheRyuu]

Probably a better word for XP's situation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsolescence

Obsolescence is the state of being which occurs when an object, service, or practice is no longer wanted even though it may still be in good working order.

I'm not sure XP qualifies as being in "good working order". I would certainly consider XP to be obsolete.

I think a better term to describe Windows 7 is out-dated. Perhaps less so on the surface but definitely under the hood. Just look at the security enhancements of 8(.1) over 7 as an example[1][2]. There are also performance improvements but I'd say those are less important.

[1] http://media.blackhat.com/bh-us-12/Briefings/M_Miller/BH_US_12_Miller_Exploit_Mitigation_Slides.pdf
[2] http://2012.ruxconbreakpoint.com/assets/Uploads/bpx/alex-breakpoint2012.pdf

 

[mikeymikec]

I'm not sure XP qualifies as being in "good working order". I would certainly consider XP to be obsolete.

If it does what the user needs it to do reliably and on acceptable terms to the user in question, how is it not in good working order? What percentage of XP users do you suppose would disagree with you about whether their systems are working acceptably?

I think a better term to describe Windows 7 is out-dated. Perhaps less so on the surface but definitely under the hood. Just look at the security enhancements of 8(.1) over 7 as an example[1][2]. There are also performance improvements but I'd say those are less important.

[1] http://media.blackhat.com/bh-us-12/Briefings/M_Miller/BH_US_12_Miller_Exploit_Mitigation_Slides.pdf
[2] http://2012.ruxconbreakpoint.com/assets/Uploads/bpx/alex-breakpoint2012.pdf

If I saw something in real world terms (e.g. Windows 7 typically has 12 critical security vulnerabilities patched by month whereas Windows 8x typically only has 6) that clearly demonstrates Win8x's superiority in this regard, I might be inclined to agree. However, AFAIK, pretty much every vulnerability that affects Win7 also affects Win8x to the same degree. I just took a look at MS's vuln list published in January 2015 and what I said agrees with that, with one further point that there was one Win8x specific vulnerability that Win7 wasn't affected by.

Otherwise "out of date" is as pointless a term as "obsolete", you may as well say "it's not the latest version", which carries as much implication as "black is not white". If we're going to use specific terms, they've got to mean something useful.

For desktop computer builds, I give my customers the choice between Windows 7 and 8.1. The cost is just the same, and even though I prefer Win7, I recommend Win81 because its expiry date is 2023 as opposed to 2020. I then reassure any potentially jittery customers on the topic of whether they'll go on with Win8x that I can make it look and work very much like it does on older versions of Windows.

 

[Gunbuster]

Whoever wrote this press release should be fired. Might as well have just sent wads of cash direct to the clickbait FUD websites.

 

[Chiefcrowe]

Can you clarify what you mean by "don't forget to update ME either (also in BIOS/UEFI)"?

thanks!

Yes, particularly of the USB variety. If you're using Intel, don't forget to update ME either (also in BIOS/UEFI), older versions can cause trouble.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I'll take windows 8.1 pro x64 with classic shell any day over windows 7. At least ms built in refresh instead of forcing you to do a clean install plus one drive backs up your settings automatically just in case something bad happens. Not to mention the fact that the windows 8 uefi bootloader integrates seamlessly with my asus bios merging the bios and boot screen into one.

 

[Berryracer]

Likely drivers, as for benchmarks which ones? That is probably drivers (or throttling for an alienware 18).

Every benchmark, your name it, AS SSD Benchmark, CrystalDiskMark, 3DMark (except for FireStrike), PassMark

 

[Berryracer]

Very weird,never had that issue on my two Win8.1 PCs,I do have two Linux PCs as well.

Btw fast bootup enabled?..I find Win8/8.1 better with fast boot disabled.

Fast Boot disabled or enabled doesn't change a thing with regards to this error:

I was finally able to take a snapshot of the error:

Some of the errors I see in Event View are:

Event ID 20:

Installation Failure: Windows failed to install the following update with error 0x80246010: Microsoft.XboxLIVEGames.

(I don't have any metro apps installed though except for the ones that cannot be uninstalled like Photos and Webcam)

Event ID 1008:

The Open Procedure for service "BITS" in DLL "C:\Windows\System32\bitsperf.dll" failed. Performance data for this service will not be available. The first four bytes (DWORD) of the Data section contains the error code.

Event ID 1023:

Windows cannot load the extensible counter DLL rdyboost. The first four bytes (DWORD) of the Data section contains the Windows error code.

Event ID 3028:

The gatherer object cannot be initialized.

Context: Windows Application, SystemIndex Catalog

Details:
The specified object cannot be found. Specify the name of an existing object. (HRESULT : 0x80040d06) (0x80040d06)



Event ID 3029:

The plug-in in <Search.TripoliIndexer> cannot be initialized.

Context: Windows Application, SystemIndex Catalog

Details:
The specified object cannot be found. Specify the name of an existing object. (HRESULT : 0x80040d06) (0x80040d06)

Event ID 3057:

The plug-in manager <Search.TripoliIndexer> cannot be initialized.

Context: Windows Application

Details:
(HRESULT : 0x8e5e0713) (0x8e5e0713)



Event ID 3058:

The application cannot be initialized.

Context: Windows Application

Details:
The specified object cannot be found. Specify the name of an existing object. (HRESULT : 0x80040d06) (0x80040d06)

Event ID 3079:

Notifications for the volume D:\ are not active.

Context: Windows Application

Details:
The volume change journal is not active. (HRESULT : 0x8007049b) (0x8007049b)



Event ID 10001:

Unable to start a DCOM Server: {E9513610-F218-4DDA-B954-2C7E6BA7CABB} as Unavailable/Unavailable. The error:
"740"
Happened while starting this command:
C:\PROGRA~2\COMMON~1\INSTAL~1\Driver\1050\INTEL3~1\IDriver.exe -Embedding


Many Event ID 10016:

The application-specific permission settings do not grant Local Activation permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
{D63B10C5-BB46-4990-A94F-E40B9D520160}
and APPID
{9CA88EE3-ACB7-47C8-AFC4-AB702511C276}
to the user NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM SID (S-1-5-18) from address LocalHost (Using LRPC) running in the application container Unavailable SID (Unavailable). This security permission can be modified using the Component Services administrative tool.

 

[Mem]

I would just wipe the HD and do a clean install of Win8.1 x64 with latest distro.

Run memtest86+ would do no harm either.

 

[Berryracer]

I would just wipe the HD and do a clean install of Win8.1 x64 with latest distro.

Run memtest86+ would do no harm either.

This is the latest ISO acquired by the MS Windows Creation Tool, I always do clean installs, the issue starts after the Windows updates

As to a clean install, this is like the 7th time I format trying to give Windows 8.1 a chance and I always get this error. the thing is, googling that error yields no results

 

[Mem]

This is the latest ISO acquired by the MS Windows Creation Tool, I always do clean installs, the issue starts after the Windows updates

As to a clean install, this is like the 7th time I format trying to give Windows 8.1 a chance and I always get this error. the thing is, googling that error yields no results

Which means it's not a common issue and you are unlucky to have it,faulty hardware maybe or driver issue.

 

[Ketchup]

This is the latest ISO acquired by the MS Windows Creation Tool, I always do clean installs, the issue starts after the Windows updates

As to a clean install, this is like the 7th time I format trying to give Windows 8.1 a chance and I always get this error. the thing is, googling that error yields no results

I think that is your problem. If you ran the original software that came with the laptop, I bet you would be fine.

 

[Berryracer]

I think that is your problem. If you ran the original software that came with the laptop, I bet you would be fine.

Right, if this continues like this, I'll do another format with the Windows 8.1 Media that came from DELL rather than use the latest ISO from Microsoft which is 8.1.1

On a side note, what baffles me is why the error message that I get means nothing, why doesn't tell me where is the problem stemming from

 

[Ketchup]

Right, if this continues like this, I'll do another format with the Windows 8.1 Media that came from DELL rather than use the latest ISO from Microsoft which is 8.1.1

On a side note, what baffles me is why the error message that I get means nothing, why doesn't tell me where is the problem stemming from

There are a few you might be able to figure out, like this one:

Unable to start a DCOM Server: {E9513610-F218-4DDA-B954-2C7E6BA7CABB} as Unavailable/Unavailable. The error:
"740"
Happened while starting this command:
C: PROGRA~2\COMMON~1\INSTAL~1\Driver\1050\INTEL3~1 \IDriver.exe -Embedding

This one shows you where the error is coming from. You might find out what this is by the location/surrounding files.

Makes me curious, are you still playing with drivers that are newer than those listed on the Dell website? I know they are looking "old", but that laptop no longer has the latest chipset, so something "new" isn't necessarily going to make any improvements.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Is it causing data loss in any way? If not, why worry?

 

[RampantAndroid]

For Server 2008 R2: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2929203 & 8.1

 

[escrow4]

Is this with Dell stock drivers and utilities? This isn't Win 8, its probably drivers.

 

[Berryracer]

There are a few you might be able to figure out, like this one:

This one shows you where the error is coming from. You might find out what this is by the location/surrounding files.

Makes me curious, are you still playing with drivers that are newer than those listed on the Dell website? I know they are looking "old", but that laptop no longer has the latest chipset, so something "new" isn't necessarily going to make any improvements.

nope, only official drivers, I had nothing but headaches with the newer ones, never updating a driver that isn't listed under my laptop model's service tag with the exception of the nVIDIA Drivers.

Would you mind logging into my system via TeamViewer and taking a look at my event logs bro?

I can PM you my credentials

 

[Berryracer]

Is this with Dell stock drivers and utilities? This isn't Win 8, its probably drivers.

yes, all official drivers and utilities

on a side note, from the research I was doing, I read somewhere that this happens when you run programs via RUN AS ADMIN right click, so that is invoking the admin account then when you restart or logout, something is happening because now you're a standard user, something along those lines.

What I noticed, that when I am installing programs and restarting every now and then, obviously since every program I install I right click on the EXE then choose RUN AS ADMIN, upon reboot, I get the cursed error message

but now when I installed everything, and didn't run anything as admin, the error didn't happen.

This is very weird because none of my other PCs have this issue but I'm just saying what I found tryin' to find a reasoning behind the error

 

[Steltek]

Can you clarify what you mean by "don't forget to update ME either (also in BIOS/UEFI)"?

thanks!

Probably refers to the Intel Management Engine driver if it is applicable to your motherboard.