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Rebel_L said:
It really seems to me we have entered into a really weird phase for general software upgrades these days, its not just MS either. While I am sure that back-end improvements still happen there isnt really much left as far as useful features to add, so to make it looks like they are moving forward everyone starts making UI changes to make it look like things are moving forward, but all it really does is waste everyones time in trying to find the thing they moved elsewhere
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For the time being, cellphones are also in the same situation. There's only so much you can do when in most cases the physiology of the human being is the limiting factor, take clothes and shoes for example.
 
Maybe I'm just dumb but for me there should be three tiers of Windows for home users:
Free - a free version where they can stuff you with as many of their stupid offers and commercials they'd like
Home - pretty much the same as now.
Pro - a version where you already during installation had far better control over which software got installed, how you would like your updates, which services you would like to integrate with windows etc., where you would never have change browser preference after each major update etc. Where group policies aren't some hidden away feature which might break windows, you could decide where the start menu and task bar is located etc.

Then they should be far more transparent with their subscriptions. Why not simply at the frontpage at the Microsoft store have a area for their own subscriptions based services:
Onedrive: $XX.XX
O365: $XX.XX
Co-pilot+: $XX.XX
X-box: $XX.XX
Save XX% by buying multiple subscriptions.
 
I don't particularly care for windows, more like tolerate it as a necessary evil. Everything important that I run is in a container on a proxmox cluster anyway.

Oh, and as someone else already pointed out, MAS is a real thing ...
 
Pens1566 said:
I don't particularly care for windows, more like tolerate it as a necessary evil. Everything important that I run is in a container on a proxmox cluster anyway.

Oh, and as someone else already pointed out, MAS is a real thing ...
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Currently on a remote windows desktop from a Debian PC 😛
 
WelshBloke said:
Well it won't get out until it does get out. And then it's too late!

I mean Microsoft locking down their kernel and not allowing third party software to run at that level would be pretty good for security!
This actually makes it more likely that dodgy software is going to run at that level. Particularly if every game company starts pushing it's own kernel level software.

It's a balance I guess. If you really want to play those games then it's totally up to you if that's worth it. Personally I'd just use a machine set up like that as a home made games console and avoid any personal or sensitive data being on there.
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If it gets too crazy unsafe, I will just not game. But I don't see that risk there yet. Otherwise I would not have a desktop at all, let alone a very high end one I built. I'd just have a laptop and a dock to a nice monitor. I don't need this much power to browse the web, use web apps, and occasionally edit photos.

I don't think the risk is anywhere near what some people have been saying it is. Is it ideal this situation? Absolutely not. But it's really nothing crazy right now. Just keep up with tech news so you know if things change.
 
MrSquished said:
If it gets too crazy unsafe, I will just not game. But I don't see that risk there yet. Otherwise I would not have a desktop at all, let alone a very high end one I built. I'd just have a laptop and a dock to a nice monitor. I don't need this much power to browse the web, use web apps, and occasionally edit photos.
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If it comes to that just switch to Linux. All the games without kernel level anti cheat should work and it's perfect for your other uses (unless you're heavily invested in Adobe stuff).
MrSquished said:
I don't think the risk is anywhere near what some people have been saying it is. Is it ideal this situation? Absolutely not. But it's really nothing crazy right now. Just keep up with tech news so you know if things change.
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It is absolutely a fairly major risk but that doesn't mean that there will be a breach.
It just depends how much you trust the guys that you are giving complete control of your PC to.
 
hal2kilo said:
You could set up a network in 3 minutes. No security though.
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I used to run LAN parties for the kids in the neighborhood, although I'd be using my own PC's, mostly because the parents of the kids were, at the time, clueless about computers and most of them didn't own PC's yet. Age of Empires was the kids favorite game to play at the time. I did get complaints from the kid's parents about their kids being at my place much to long for their liking, but you know how it is when you get zoned in on the gameplay and the will to win takes over. I had to limit play time to two hours and only on weekends. The room got hot (no AC), the kids were whooping it up and screaming at each other about cheating, spying on each other, etc. Fun times.

Well those kids are now all growed up and most have kids of their own. They still thank me for the fun they had playing PC games at my place.
 
Fenixgoon said:
I had a win10 loaner laptop at work and just got my official laptop with won11 on it. Really made me realize how bad win11 is.
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But, you don't get all the magical securities features you can't live without. That's how I was finally sucked into it.
 
mikeymikec said:
arstechnica.com

People complaining about Windows 11 hasn't stopped it from hitting 1 billion users

Windows 11 clears a milestone as Windows 10 continues its slow fade.
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com



I took two graphs from statcounter, and based them on the respective periods of 6 months before an OS release to six months after.

Windows 10:
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Windows 11:
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Win10 and Win11 in the last twelve months:
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Win11's usage is actually dropping 😀
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Well... I mentioned in other threads of the forum that Win 11 is losing steam, but they didn't believe me, well, now this is clear, Win 11 is turning into a BIG turd and that is because of sheer incompetence.

I don't be surprised if Microsoft ask the US government to help with that and screw the non Win 11 or Mac OS users in one way or other.
 
Muse said:
This laptop came with W10 Pro, so the free W11 upgrade was Pro as well. I delayed until the "last minute" cause I had tons of other things to do and I had no curiousity what W11 would bring. I don't notice any improvement. The start menu, well, I would just as soon see it on the left bottom corner like with W10. I heard I can make that change, but haven't bothered. Are there other ways to improve the Start menu?
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It's super simple to move the start menu. It's one of the first things I do after installing Windows 11.

Go to Settings - Personalization - Taskbar - expand Taskbar behaviors - and change the Taskbar alignment to Left.
 
They can all kiss my ass with that subscription philosophy. Fuck. That. Shit.

Also. AI is coming to take their money. And thank god for that.
 
A good OS is both functional and non hassle. It leaves you alone to do your thing.
I avoided 11 due to the UI changes.
To hear of the ad campaign... the harassment... the buggy AI slop of a code base that breaks basic functionality that had worked bug free FOR DECADES....
The eventual end of Windows 10 is simply going to make me go Linux. I did not want this outcome, but if Microsoft is going to force it, then so be it.
 
See I didn't mind Win11 when it first came out, I preferred it to Win10 tbh.
Then came all the little annoyances. Having to repeatedly delete shortcuts for crappy free games, the constant fight to be able to use a local account, one drive cocking up my file system, office not allowing you to auto save without doing it to the cloud, MS stuffing AI into everything they can, searches from the start menu showing up web results when I'm just looking for an installed app...

It just got tiring to use my PC the way I wanted to use my PC, and that I was paying a company to actively make my property worse!
 
The other thing thay gets me is win11 is absolute trash at handling large file transfers. Sometimes it will drop the drive even. Its bullshit
 
biostud said:
Maybe I'm just dumb but for me there should be three tiers of Windows for home users:
Free - a free version where they can stuff you with as many of their stupid offers and commercials they'd like
Home - pretty much the same as now.
Pro - a version where you already during installation had far better control over which software got installed, how you would like your updates, which services you would like to integrate with windows etc., where you would never have change browser preference after each major update etc. Where group policies aren't some hidden away feature which might break windows, you could decide where the start menu and task bar is located etc.

Then they should be far more transparent with their subscriptions. Why not simply at the frontpage at the Microsoft store have a area for their own subscriptions based services:
Onedrive: $XX.XX
O365: $XX.XX
Co-pilot+: $XX.XX
X-box: $XX.XX
Save XX% by buying multiple subscriptions.
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If they offered proper tiers, I think it'd be more like this (at least for US editions):

Free: Completely unsupported base edition for PC builders and free/open-source software users and developers. No bundled MS apps, no media codec licenses bundled, no PDF support etc.--but they can allow sponsors to present offers for additional software during setup (antivirus, VPN, etc.) Edit: If MS were smart, they'd also offer a free 'Developer Edition' of this SKU optimized for development work and bundled with their Visual Studio Community edition IDE, Dev Essentials and MS Learn, with additional dev tools and cloud services available via subscription.

Creator edition: Think of this as a more useful Home version with more Pro features. Bundled media codecs and optimized for content creation, live streaming, optimized schedulers for higher core counts, more AI fluff etc. I'd think they'd sell this version as a licensed subscription bundled with some of their '365' apps. Can upgrade anytime from Free. Can also be sold with a volume license for power users that want to deploy a custom image on multiple machines.

Gaming edition: A more useful Home version similar to Creator and optimized for gaming. This is the only version that should be bundled with their Xbox game bar and other xbox branded crapware. Should also be sold as a licensed subscription bundled with the base 'Game Pass' subscription. Can upgrade anytime from Free. Can also be sold with a volume license for power users that want to deploy a custom image on multiple machines.

Home & Office: Think of this as replacing the current boxed 'Home and Pro' + OEM editions. This would include basic MS-branded apps and services that are typically bundled with Windows and should be targeted at people buying branded computers or general audiences and non-techie users (i.e. people 65+ or first-time computer users in grade school.) Sold as a single machine license (no subscription necessary). Can anytime upgrade to Creator/Gaming whenever users are ready.

Enterprise: For office users and distributed only via IT departments using Deployment Services, etc.
 
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Explain to me why someone like Microsoft has not created their own "version" of SOME? Seems like a slam-dunk.
 
I still love how the Microsoft CEO complained about people calling AI slop, and then everyone just started saying Microslop.

The Internet melted our minds but it does have some redeeming qualities
 
manly said:
"Gray market" keys are often $10 or less. People disagree on whether you should or shouldn't, but my philosophy is that Microslop doesn't need more of my money.
IoT LTSC keys are also available, but it sounds like consumers don't really want to go down that road.


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I spend hours of my day dealing with MS issues, as a result i use kmspico, for testing purposes of course.
 
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