Microsoft Commie President: "Linux 'at end of life cycle"

[Nothinman]

Kind of like how I felt when I found out there's little difference between distros like Mint or Ubuntu, or both blowing up when installed on a 845G chipset. You go into a cash strapped non-profit and tell them they have to update their legacy PC's to run Linux while XP installs fine.

Usually with windows problems you find somebody telling the truth in a tech support forum. With Linux you get 99 responses from people who have emotional issues with Bill Gates.



Yep, Microsoft's fault.



How 'bout you stop over and figure out how I can run CS5 on Ubuntu without having to mess with Wine or clunky VM's? Oh wait.....here comes the lecture about how I should be running Open Source image editors instead. It's my computer, but you're telling me what software I can run native, and yet Microsoft is the Evil Empire. I love it!

Dude, no adult not living in their parent's basement cares what OS they are running. We want to run the OS that most efficiently runs the applications we want to use.

Sounds like you're the one with emotional issues about software...

 

[VinDSL]

Sounds like you're the one with emotional issues [...]

LoL! You beat me to the punch. 😀

Personally, I've unassimilated myself from Microsoft et al.

It seems odd that ppl still argue in favor of being moribund by an OS.

What else would it be?!?!?

 

[lxskllr]

Windows is alright. I think it's a great O/S, sold at a fair price. I've been preferring Linux lately, but I don't have a problem with Windows, or MS in general :^)

 

[sourceninja]

Kind of like how I felt when I found out there's little difference between distros like Mint or Ubuntu, or both blowing up when installed on a 845G chipset. You go into a cash strapped non-profit and tell them they have to update their legacy PC's to run Linux while XP installs fine.

Why would you switch OS's on existing hardware when everything is already working fine? They must have some motivating factor to switch, if that motivating factor is not enough to buy supported hardware then it must not be motivating enough and they should stay with XP.

Usually with windows problems you find somebody telling the truth in a tech support forum. With Linux you get 99 responses from people who have emotional issues with Bill Gates.

I've never had a linux forum bash on windows. They typically either tell me to read the fine manual (That's what RTFM noob means right?) or they help me solve my problem. With the problems I've encountered with windows I either get a "me too" response or a "I've never had that happen before" response. It's not a weakness in the OS, it's just a fact that I can't typically find people who can help me.

Yep, Microsoft's fault.

Never said it was, but people judge linux by the quality of it's software (as you do below with CS5), it is only fair to apply the same judgements to windows. It also does not change the fact that I have yet to meet a single person who can help me.

How 'bout you stop over and figure out how I can run CS5 on Ubuntu without having to mess with Wine or clunky VM's? Oh wait.....here comes the lecture about how I should be running Open Source image editors instead. It's my computer, but you're telling me what software I can run native, and yet Microsoft is the Evil Empire. I love it!

I would tell you to not run linux if CS5 is a requirement for your computing. I don't run linux on my primary desktop. I use a mac. I also have a windows 7 VDI that I use to manage my vsphere clusters. I use linux on the server, the reason I don't use linux on the desktop is not because it has failings, but because I REALLY like the mac UI and the design of mac hardware. If apple keeps on it's walled garden path I will be using linux. I require a solid terminal, bash, git, and high end text editors to do my job. Windows is lacking in those areas.

Dude, no adult not living in their parent's basement cares what OS they are running. We want to run the OS that most efficiently runs the applications we want to use.

Seems you are a bit emotional in your choice. I use what works and have valid complaints when something does work. If I was a gamer I'd use windows (although lately my mac has met my gaming desires). I prefer *nix. I suggest taking your own advice, don't argue windows is so much better than linux, just be happy with your decision. I gave testimony, not religious fervor.

 

[VinDSL]

Windows is alright. I think it's a great O/S, sold at a fair price.[...]

Too bad there's all that malware dragging it down... :biggrin:

 

[VinDSL]

Why would you switch OS's on existing hardware when everything is already working fine?

1. You're tired of paying for software.
2. You're tired of upgrading hardware.
3. You're tired of malware.
4. You've seen one too many Patch Tuesdays.
5. You don't have the time to scan for viruses and spyware and defragmenting.
6. You like speed.
7. You like sharing.
8. You actually don't love Internet Explorer.
9. You want to be in control.
10. You're one of a kind.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Kind of like how I felt when I found out there's little difference between distros like Mint or Ubuntu, or both blowing up when installed on a 845G chipset. You go into a cash strapped non-profit and tell them they have to update their legacy PC's to run Linux while XP installs fine.

Yeah, that's a shame that Linux, which used to be known for supporting "legacy" hardware, dropped support for the 845/865G chipsets.

My buddy has been trying out Ubuntu and Linux Mint. He finally managed to get his wireless working in 32-bit Linux Mint, because they have a built-in control panel for NDISWRAPPER. He has a Belkin Wireless N USB dongle, which is otherwise unsupported by Linux. Marvell chipset apparently.

 

[sourceninja]

1. You're tired of paying for software.
2. You're tired of upgrading hardware.
3. You're tired of malware.
4. You've seen one too many Patch Tuesdays.
5. You don't have the time to scan for viruses and spyware and defragmenting.
6. You like speed.
7. You like sharing.
8. You actually don't love Internet Explorer.
9. You want to be in control.
10. You're one of a kind.

1) You already paid for it. Wait until you need to upgrade the system.
2) You never upgrade hardware unless you are using windows?
3) Can't argue with that.
4) You never patch anything but windows?
5) I'd hope you would still scan for viruses to protect people who are using windows.
6) Window's can't be fast?
7) Windows forces your browser choice?
8) I'd love to see proof that most linux users use that control. I know I've never written a kernel patch.
9) I'm one of a kind bro!

 

[VinDSL]

I didn't realize The White House is running Linux...

I read an article that said most US Gov Agencies are running Linux now, soooo I went to the top.

I'll be damned! LoL! 😀

 

[VinDSL]

n/m

Don't wanna be accused of thread crapping... 😉

 

[Shining Arcanine]

Support isn't the issue. It's expertise on the technicians side, and compatibility on the 3rd party app side. If Linux got more corporate use, you'd see both of those issues vanish.

Linux desktop environments will need to behave more consistently across various systems before that happens. Compositing issues cause lag and no MBA will accept a system without eye candy.

Linux will also need to have office software that focuses not on being a "me too" product by implementing features for the sake of checking a box, but focuses on implementing features in a way that make them easily accessible and quickly performed in typical repetitive tasks. Open Office is by far insufficient at the latter. If the software is not easy enough that you can train an ape to use it in 5 minutes, a businessman will want to go back to Windows long before he gives the software a chance and even if he did, he would want to go back when he realizes that he needs to spend 12 hours a day doing what previously took him 4 hours a day. He is not interested in learning neat terminal commands that can do the same thing in 5 minutes as to him, the terminal is something for technicians and he wants no part of it.

There also needs to be a sound migration path for legacy applications. WINE is currently incapable of providing that. With WINE, you have something like a 10% chance of getting a program working. With a newer version of Windows, you have something like a 90% chance. At the same time, WINE does not do as good a job at dealing with DLL conflicts as Windows and the typical solution to start from scratch is not going to go well with a business. Codeweavers has improved the situation, but their software is not much better at being compatible with Windows software than WINE is because it is just WINE with a proprietary wrapper.

Corporations take the path of least resistance, which for the moment is Windows.