Microcenter's strange advertising

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snuuggles

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You would be even more pissed at Microcenter if that happened, because you were so sure about guaging the rate at which the stock was dropping.

who knows exactly how I would react, but in general I'm an understanding guy. Remember, when I picked up the video card *in person* (in store), I let it go when he said they had no more. My objection is that when I log into Microcenter.com, I specify *which* store I'm shopping at. They then list all the specific stock quantities. It would be *beyond* simple to adjust the advertising based on location as well. The reason they do not is either: they are lazy, and/or they indeed want to trick people into coming to store where there is zero chance of getting the offer fulfilled. Either way it's questionable in my book.


Also, it's bad for business for microcenter to notify you as soon as possible that stocks are gone so that you should stay home and not "roll the dice" and go down to the store and give them foot traffic. the whole idea is to get you to walk into the store and see if you are lucky, punk. thus the disclaimers about in-store only.

I admit, it's possible that I'm misunderstanding what "in store" means to most people. What it meant to *me* was that I had to *pick up* the units "in store", but what you are saying is that I should not expect to be able to order online and pick up in store and be guaranteed the same level of service. I feel that given that they are advertising this offer on their website, next to video cards where they list the precise number of units available *at my location*, that is not a valid excuse. I think if you are providing a means for me to give you $400, you should at least deliver what you advertise. It's different with a flyer - they aren't taking my money at that time, but in my case the transaction is at the time I click submit. If they didn't want to offer that to me online, they should not advertise it right next to the "buy" button.

I should note that my e-receipt they sent me specifically said "don't forget to ask your cashier for your coupon!" If that proves anything.


There's your problem right there. You tried to turn an "in-store only" special into an online order special. I don't think you can use the internet to artificially elevate your status to being more important than someone who actually puts their shoes on and walks into the store. Maybe I wasn't clear enough before, but my point is that someone who walks down to a store for an "in-store" special *IS* more important than someone else who clicks an internet button without going down to the store for the "in-store" special. As for your claim to straw-man, I don't follow you.

You are, in my opinion, making up an issue that does not exist between a non-existent buyer and myself. I *did* enter the store and got the videocard, I simply *paid* for it before hand using their own interface. The same interface, incidentally, that they told me I would get a free game by purchasing the card. There is no conflict between me and some mysterious person.


Perhaps you are only thinking about the effect on one person (yourself), instead of the overall scheme of things. Shifting supplies from one store to another shifts the problem from one store to another. Again, you are saying they should shift your problem to another guy at another store. So the overall fairness is not improved doing that, therefore it's not "more fair" to shift your problem onto someone else. When you take a step back and look at the whole picture, shifting supplies would cause another problem. Microcenter has "warned" the public that it's an in-store special, so the public has set expectations based on that. However, if Microcenter can "cheat" by moving stock away from one store, that defeats the purpose of public notification. so looking at it as a system, it's hard to argue that supplies should be shifted around when the public was put on notice that it's an in-store special only while supplies last. instead, that would be something like a national store competition to see which store could transfer supplies away from the other. Are you saying that Microcenter stores are to compete with each other to see which store can grab the most of the good deal and therefore drive the most foot traffic? It would be a bloodbath, civil war among stores.

You are over-complicating a simple situation. There is no conflict. Whoever buys the card first gets the coupon. What could be simpler? If you want to push it, it could be whoever gets to the store first gets it. But the *point* is that if I knew there were *zero* coupons left I may have made a different selection, or ordered from a different vendor. You seem to think it's Microcenter's "right" to purposefully trick me into thinking I might get something when there is absolutely no chance at all. That is a very strange position to take. Especially considering you are calling shifting product between stores (an extremely common activity) "cheating." I call that "customer service."


Perhaps it comes down to interpretation of "supplies". Would a reasonable person think that supplies means supplies at the particular store you walked into, seeing that it's an in-store special? or, would a reasonable person think that supplies means nation-wide supplies? I can see making the argument either way.

Yes, I agree. I view MC as a nationwide chain of stores with a common goal: to make a profit for it's shareholders. These are not franchise operations where shifting stock between locations creates a loss. The point is to deliver product to sell. If you can sell it at another location, you should do that. In this case the "product" is the video card combined with the coupon.

Again, you are saying two different things, one I can reluctantly see the point of (the national vs store issue), and one I think you are off your rocker about (the idea that it's their right to advertise whatever they want as long as they put a disclaimer that it's possible they are lying).
 

snuuggles

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Don't get me wrong, I am saying that it is wrong, by showing what is wrong. Human are smart and we know how to work around rules. The term "reasonable stock" should be clear, but we walked around the rule by saying "The stock of this local store is out" while keeping online ads clearly stated otherwise, is by itself bait and switch.

The correct and appropriate response should be something like:
"There are stock, but not in the specific store which you pickup the unit. We will deliver the coupon ASAP via another store. If this is not an acceptable solution, we will immediately refund your purchase or exchange it with another product you desire. Of course, it is our fault not being able to distribute coupons correctly to each local store correctly, so as a compensation, we offer a 15 dollar credit on the next purchase. Sorry for the disconvenient and thank you for your time on resolving this issue with us."

Ah, sorry, I misunderstood the tone of your previous post. I obviously agree with you. I eagerly await that sweet $15 credit! When do you think they'll send it to me?
 

Seero

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Ah, sorry, I misunderstood the tone of your previous post. I obviously agree with you. I eagerly await that sweet $15 credit! When do you think they'll send it to me?
Sorry, I don't own, work for, or has anything to do with the store you are currently having problems with. I however have experience in this kind of situation where I simply get their manager about their stock problems. I got deals from discount on next purchase to gift cards, sometimes both depending on the time I spent on the issue.
 

snuuggles

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Sorry, I don't own, work for, or has anything to do with the store you are currently having problems with. I however have experience in this kind of situation where I simply get their manager about their stock problems. I got deals from discount on next purchase to gift cards, sometimes both depending on the time I spent on the issue.

Ugh, now *you* aren't getting *my* joke. Man, I have failed twice. I was definitely kidding, but I do appreciate your input (you too, KF, though I disagree with you).

Thanks! Maybe I'll wander over there this weekend and see what the manager says...
 

KingFatty

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what you are saying is that I should not expect to be able to order online and pick up in store and be guaranteed the same level of service.

I think that is another way of seeing a special where it's in-store while supplies last.

Also I think I see where we disagree. You seem to view the special deal as triggering off a purchase of a video card so long as the video card is in stock and picked up in-person instead of being delivered by mail, where you would be guaranteed to get the coupon as though it were included inside the box. In otherwords, you seem to apply the "limited stock" disclaimer only to the video card, and that you only have to worry whether or not the video card is in stock.

However, I don't see the special that way. It seems to me that the special is like a free prize givaway with every purchase of a video card. To me, when they say "limited stock", they mean there is a limited stock of free prizes to be given away - and the number of prizes is far less than the number of video cards. So whether you get a video card or not isn't the determining factor; you need to verify in-person at the store whether there are still prizes to be given away when you purchase the video card, and purchasing a video card does not guarantee a prize unless the prizes are in-stock at the store.

You are over-complicating a simple situation. There is no conflict. Whoever buys the card first gets the coupon. What could be simpler?

As mentioned above, I could see how we'd disagree on this based on how we see the product purchased and how it triggers the coupon. So I think it's more than simply buying a video card before someone else. It also involves the prize giveaway aspect, where there are not enough prizes to cover all purchases, and you need to be there in person to find out if there are any prizes left. So whoever buys the card first gets the coupon *IF* you are at the store to verify in-person that there are coupons left.

If you want to push it, it could be whoever gets to the store first gets it.

I think it's more of, you have to get one of the prizes before everyone else exhausts all the prizes, and each video card purchased qualifies for a prize if there are prizes left to give away at that point.

But the *point* is that if I knew there were *zero* coupons left I may have made a different selection, or ordered from a different vendor.

I still maintain that there will be problems with notifying people in a way that works, and you'd still be in the same situation even if they had a running count. The only way I see of preventing this problem is if the running count was able to predict your future, such that when it showed a certain number remaining, it would also say "I now predict that it's impossible for you to get one of the prizes, so please do not purchase a video card at this point forward." Even if you had the running counter on your phone, it could still show you 5 prizes remained right before you checked out, and then they sell 6 video cards right before the checkout lady runs your card at the register so you thought you were entitled to that prize but it goes to someone else.

Also, can you see how this would be exacerbated if you allowed other people on the internet to order a video card and snap up the remaining coupons/prizes before you? What if there are 1000 prizes to give away, and 1000 people all order simultaneously one microsecond before you check out? i think that's what you are saying you should have been entitled to do, snap up a prize from the guy who was waiting in line at the store before you, when you are sitting comfortably in your pajamas at your computer with a hot cocoa.

Or maybe you can come up with a scenario where you can properly notify the public about remaining stock in a way that guarantees they'll get a prize?

You seem to think it's Microcenter's "right" to purposefully trick me into thinking I might get something when there is absolutely no chance at all.

No, I think it's pretty messed up this happened, because it's misleading. But I think there have been lots of lawsuits over the years to help guide the law, and the law usually takes a compromise position considering the interests of the public, the businesses, and the consumers etc. So they require disclaimers etc., and they recognize that there are practical limits to be able to keep track of stock etc.

i know I've gone to a store and asked if an item was in stock, the salesman said yeah the computer says we have 12, but nowhere in the store. So that's another issue, perhaps keeping a running tally of remaining prizes would get out of sync and then people would be upset because they were told a prize was available when it was really a stock number error (that we see all the time). There's more at risk to anger the customer when you mess up the count on a prize the customer is supposedly entitled to, vs. messing up the count on something a customer wants to buy (where he won't feel like he lost something he is entitled to because he just won't have the opportunity to buy it).

That is a very strange position to take. Especially considering you are calling shifting product between stores (an extremely common activity) "cheating." I call that "customer service."

I wasn't clear there, I meant that the store could cheat you out of your prize. If you are there at the store, seeing that the store has 100 prizes to give away, and you go over and buy a video card, the store could cheat you out of your prize by saying "sorry, we already need to transfer these 100 prizes to another store, they are already taken". Then, after you leave, they present the prizes to other people in the store to get them to buy video cards, and just keep doing that. then they could sell 100 video cards to people online, and give the prizes to them. Or they could then transfer to another store, etc. The cheating is the store being able to manipulate the availability of prizes, instead of being set with a specific inventory of prizes that they must give away to people who go down to that store.

These are not franchise operations where shifting stock between locations creates a loss. The point is to deliver product to sell. If you can sell it at another location, you should do that. In this case the "product" is the video card combined with the coupon.

Again, I think we disagree. I don't see the coupon as part of the video card as one total stock item that can be shifted around before being sold. Instead, I see the coupon as a prize or "loss leader" type of item that is not tied to the video card, and is a separate limited-availability thing to incentivize customers to walk in the store and purchase from an infinite supply of video cards.

So you need to worry about the limited supply of coupons/prizes that can only be verified in-store, because buying a video card is not a guarantee.
 

R4in

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Since the game was free I really see no problem with you not getting it considering it didnt cost you anything, unless of course there was the exact same card for $30 less that did not come with a coupon?
 

snuuggles

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KF. Nicely distilled. Yes I'm viewing it as an included add-on vs a prize give-away. I'm more familiar with ordering online where these coupons are common and the rules are pretty straight-forward. For example, when I add this same video card to my cart at newegg, they explicitely state that my card includes the coupon in my cart, and thus when I purchase, both are technically purchased, though one is "free". That seems pretty fair to me. I'm a little mystified what happens if they only have 20 coupons and 21 people add the card to their cart though... maybe they control inventory to match the number of coupons?

Anyways, For MC to adopt a similar plan I agree that there would be some slight disadvantage to the person who does not bother to pre-order thier card online before picking it up, they could get "scooped" in line. though a simple system of tagging a sticker on each box that goes with the coupon would work to guarentee the person in line a coupon. None of these systems are absolutely bullet-proof though, someone *could* miss out. I just think the guy who paid their money first ought to get first dibs. I mean, anyone can go online and do the same...

On the other hand, I still go back to the fact that they are advertising something that is difinitively gone from the store, they know it's gone, they have the capability to inform the customer that it's gone, and yet they purposefully choose to not do so. I mean you feel bad for the guy standing in line, what about me? I also went down and stood in line. And I had the foresight to order early so that I could be assured of my purchase, it seems silly to accept my pre-purchase (which was the last card available by the way) as legitimate - after all what about the guy who walks in that morning and can't buy it because I pre-ordered it the night before? - but not accept that my prepurchase entitles me to at least *know* that I don't have the possibility of getting the thing they explicitely advertise as being part of the purchase.

I think you are allowing too much leeway to these stores, this one isn't cut-and-dried, but I think it smells pretty bad.

But I appreciate a well-considered opinion such as yours. I'll give it some more thought...
 

Vesku

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Don't accept purchase of the video card without the coupon if you would not buy it otherwise. They'll either accommodate you or not. You always have the option to buy from somewhere else.
 

snuuggles

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Don't accept purchase of the video card without the coupon if you would not buy it otherwise. They'll either accommodate you or not. You always have the option to buy from somewhere else.

It's true I had the choice at the time. Otoh, if they were completely out of coupons for days (as the cashier said) they wasted a great deal of my time implying that I had a chance to get the coupon when there was no chance. As it turns out...

I got a *very* apologetic voice mail from a manager at customer service saying that they had more in stock *at that store* and they would send me one. So I guess Im happy :)

Of course it begs the question: if they were being restocked, it's sort of weird that neither the cashier nor the customer service agent said "just check back in a couple days".

And now, I will drop this, but thanks all for your input.
 

7earitup

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It's true I had the choice at the time. Otoh, if they were completely out of coupons for days (as the cashier said) they wasted a great deal of my time implying that I had a chance to get the coupon when there was no chance. As it turns out...

I got a *very* apologetic voice mail from a manager at customer service saying that they had more in stock *at that store* and they would send me one. So I guess Im happy :)

Of course it begs the question: if they were being restocked, it's sort of weird that neither the cashier nor the customer service agent said "just check back in a couple days".

And now, I will drop this, but thanks all for your input.

Glad you got it sorted out. It doesn't sound like they were being as accommodating as they could have been. No one should have to jump through that many hoops just to get what they were promised in the first place.