all the OSs are equally as vulnerable, the difference is MS does something about providing an easy to use mechanisim to distrubite security patches.
Most of the people who use flavors of *nix and MacOS have there heads in the sand if they dont think there are not daily secuirty flaws found on thos OSs.
all the OSs are equally as vulnerable, the difference is MS does something about providing an easy to use mechanisim to distrubite security patches.
Most of the people who use flavors of *nix and MacOS have there heads in the sand if they dont think there are not daily secuirty flaws found on thos OSs.
all the OSs are equally as vulnerable, the difference is MS does something about providing an easy to use mechanisim to distrubite security patches.
Most of the people who use flavors of *nix and MacOS have there heads in the sand if they dont think there are not daily secuirty flaws found on thos OSs.
all the OSs are equally as vulnerable, the difference is MS does something about providing an easy to use mechanisim to distrubite security patches.
Most of the people who use flavors of *nix and MacOS have there heads in the sand if they dont think there are not daily secuirty flaws found on thos OSs.
all the OSs are equally as vulnerable, the difference is MS does something about providing an easy to use mechanisim to distrubite security patches.
Most of the people who use flavors of *nix and MacOS have there heads in the sand if they dont think there are not daily secuirty flaws found on thos OSs.
all the OSs are equally as vulnerable, the difference is MS does something about providing an easy to use mechanisim to distrubite security patches.
Most of the people who use flavors of *nix and MacOS have there heads in the sand if they dont think there are not daily secuirty flaws found on thos OSs.
Originally posted by: Gibson486
ah haIf you feel that way, use a different OS.
I do, I just checked the update log on my machine. There were new security updates on 6/9/2003, one on 7/14/2003, and the latest one on 8/14/2003. That's all of them since I installed this OS. Sure it's not perfect, but how many holes has MS needed to patch since 6/9/2003?
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Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: Gibson486
ah haIf you feel that way, use a different OS.
I do, I just checked the update log on my machine. There were new security updates on 6/9/2003, one on 7/14/2003, and the latest one on 8/14/2003. That's all of them since I installed this OS. Sure it's not perfect, but how many holes has MS needed to patch since 6/9/2003?
Does it matter? As long as the patches come, who cares??
Sheesh people!!!!
Originally posted by: NFS4
Ameesh, I agree with you 100%, but you don't have to post it 6 times
lol talk to zuni, he made me do it.
Originally posted by: Supahfreak
What the hell is ActiveX??? Everytime I try to update I get this. help...
FreAk
Try this
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You may want to try the repair options from the "Add/Remove" applet in control panel.
I've seen this before but it's been a while and I can't remember what I did to fix it. Seems to me it wasn't what that Q article made reference to, but maybe you'll get lucky.
He won't be done for a long while. Hes got the bootloader up and has been in email contact with a CS professor at UIUC, and hes hoping the strength of his work will earn him acceptance. I think he wants to be the next Torvald.
I've conviced him to make it all the way cyrpto in a later version, I told him that the only niche that wasn't filled was the niche for people who don't even want their bootloader to be readably by Big Brother without a key. heh, he said he will do it after he learns more about streamlining crypto code so it doesn't bog the thing down.
I'm in no position to judge his work, because I am not a coder myself, and I haven't seen his sourcecode, but I do know that he is smart and he is definatly putting time into this project (at the expense of other things . . . like school.)
I'll find out what he is calling it, I know he is on some crazy forums somewhere and you can learn more.
Originally posted by: Supahfreak
What the hell is ActiveX??? Everytime I try to update I get this. help...
FreAk
Tools...Internet Options...Security...Custom Level...can't miss it.
Different from what? Debian makes it dead simple (easier than windows update - AND you don't have to worry about them breaking your machine). I'm not sure about Apple but I can't imagine it's difficult.
Yeah right. This is by far the most windows-friendly place that I regularly visit. If you think MS gets hassled around here, you better not go anywhere else on the internet.
If Linux were as popular and widespread as Windows, you'd be finding many security updates and patches, too.
l33t hax0r kiddies like to futz around and look for holes where they can and exploit them. Or, developers at MSFT find them thru testing or code reviews.
No big deal.
Install the patches and continue on with your life.
Would you rather Microsoft left the problems unaddressed?
l33t hax0r kiddies like to futz around and look for holes where they can and exploit them. Or, developers at MSFT find them thru testing or code reviews.
No big deal.
Install the patches and continue on with your life.
Would you rather Microsoft left the problems unaddressed?
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: Gibson486
ah haIf you feel that way, use a different OS.
I do, I just checked the update log on my machine. There were new security updates on 6/9/2003, one on 7/14/2003, and the latest one on 8/14/2003. That's all of them since I installed this OS. Sure it's not perfect, but how many holes has MS needed to patch since 6/9/2003?
Does it matter? As long as the patches come, who cares??
Sheesh people!!!!
Actually yes it does... here is why:
Linux vulnerability timeline:
t0: vulnerability found
t0 + a few hours maybe: vulnerability discussed on securityfocus and/or other places
t0 + less than 1 day: emergency patch available
t0 + less than 1 week: more solid, easier to apply patch available
Windows vulnerability timeline:
t0: vulnerability found
t0 + a few hours maybe: vulnerability discussed on securityfocus and/or other places
t0 + maybe 1 week: exploit made which uses vulnerability
t0 + several months, or in the case of netbios/RPC holes, 12-13 years: MS releases security bulletin about existence of hole (call this time t1)
t1 + a month or so: M$ admits exploits for said hole already exist (call this t2)
t2 + a week or so: patch available
There's probably already more updates and patches - because what I'm guessing you mean by this nebulous "linux" thing is open source software in general. That's a whole LOT of software. Windows is just the operating system.
People that refer to themself as being l33t as anything other than a joke are generally NOT the people finding these holes. Most open source developers tend to either be professional programmers or admins that code in their spare time (or as a part of their job, sometimes), or students. People who are a hell of a lot more informed than most people that run around spouting off about how linux users just think they're l33t or whatever.
Agreed. I think the original topic of this thread was stupid. They holes are there, there's nothing you can do about it. So why bitch when they fix them?
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