Michele Bachmann makes an embarrassing flub in NH

[xj0hnx]

Really, who gives a rats ass about anything she ever says or does??

Liberals apparently.

 

[jonks]

Liberals apparently.

Funny someone should ask and you should answer so incredibly factually incorrectly, as usual.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146621/Huckabee-Bachmann-Intense-Following-GOP-Field.aspx

 

[her209]

Only Tea Baggers would back someone for president who doesn't have a grasp of american history. I would think most junior high school students would know that the founding fathers did not end slavery

That's because you have no grasp of history... the Boston Tea Party was about taxation without representation. The Tea Party members are represented in Congress. Boston officials refused to ship the tea back to Britain. Tea Baggers urged their members to send tea bags to Washington on Tax Day. Boston Tea Partiers destroyed the tea by throwing it into the Boston Harbor. Tea Baggers hang tea bags on their hats.

 

[xj0hnx]

Funny someone should ask and you should answer so incredibly factually incorrectly, as usual.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146621/Huckabee-Bachmann-Intense-Following-GOP-Field.aspx

I say it because your overwhelming fascination with everything Bachmann is apparent in the number of threads started by liberals about her. Much like Palin if you guys didn't post about them their presence would be almost non-existent here.

 

[Ldir]

You do realize you're asking one of the most unthinking and partisan posters on this board if he can recognize factual information that doesn't align perfectly with his very narrow views. I think the correct answer from him is that no, he can't recognize it.

This

 

[jonks]

I say it because your overwhelming fascination with everything Bachmann is apparent in the number of threads started by liberals about her. Much like Palin if you guys didn't post about them their presence would be almost non-existent here.

Well that's probably mostly true, after all, who would want to defend their side's most blitheringly idiotic voices. Oh, right.

If you said, "she's a dunce, let's move on" we probably would. Instead you pony up false equivolencies with Obama, who despite any actual flaws or policy differences is considered by even those who hate him to be shrewd, intellectual, knowledgeable. Your ilk's persistent defense of the likes of Palin and Bachmann in the face of truly indefensible statements is what keeps these threads going. And by adopting their defense, you endorse their efforts. Want them to go away? Distance yourself, don't align yourself.

 

[Ldir]

I say it because your overwhelming fascination with everything Bachmann is apparent in the number of threads started by liberals about her. Much like Palin if you guys didn't post about them their presence would be almost non-existent here.

If I were in your shoes I'd be embarassed to acknowledge her too.

 

[xj0hnx]

Well that's probably mostly true, after all, who would want to defend their side's most blitheringly idiotic voices. Oh, right.

If you said, "she's a dunce, let's move on" we probably would. Instead you pony up false equivolencies with Obama, who despite any actual flaws or policy differences is considered by even those who hate him to be shrewd, intellectual, knowledgeable. Your ilk's persistent defense of the likes of Palin and Bachmann in the face of truly indefensible statements is what keeps these threads going. And by adopting their defense, you endorse their efforts. Want them to go away? Distance yourself, don't align yourself.

Not "ponying up" anything, just pointing out the stupidity of posting "zomg a politician said something stupid!!!11!!" thread. As if either said doesn't have it's share of bumbling idiots.

 

[jonks]

Not "ponying up" anything, just pointing out the stupidity of posting "zomg a politician said something stupid!!!11!!" thread. As if either said doesn't have it's share of bumbling idiots.

And somehow we're right back here again. You continue to assert equivolency between a verbal hiccup ("57") and a persistent belief and statement of incorrect facts. There's gaffes and there's gaffes.

When someone "misspeaks" it can lead to an amusing result. This is what 57 is. One doesn't shake their head in wonder at the stupidity of the speaker, who of course knows how many states there are and in a moment of brainfartism coughs up a good one, one is merely momentarily amused at the verbal slip.

But when someone says something idiotic, not by accident but by design, the humor comes from a different place and it's directed at the person, not the statement. And when an elected leader repeatedly makes incorrect historical references that directly reflect their lack of education or intelligence, that's not comedy, it's news (ok, maybe it's both), and deserves to be pointed out.

 

[PeshakJang]

She's make a good VP if we keep the current standards. Might actually say less idiotic shit.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Bachman and Palin are both prime examples of the new Republican strategy that facts are unimportant, only narrowly defined ideas are of value. They have made the leap that leads them to believe that rational thinking has no place in motivating their base, only emotional stimulation will work.

Death panels, Obama growing up in Kenya, founders working to end slavery, all obvious lies, but considered to be without penalty from their base. Fox has made it clear that facts and truth are unimportant to a large group of Americans, and the Right has seized on this. They are now fearless in contriving their message.

 

[her209]

And somehow we're right back here again. You continue to assert equivolency between a verbal hiccup ("57") and a persistent belief and statement of incorrect facts. There's gaffes and there's gaffes.

When someone "misspeaks" it can lead to an amusing result. This is what 57 is. One doesn't shake their head in wonder at the stupidity of the speaker, who of course knows how many states there are and in a moment of brainfartism coughs up a good one, one is merely momentarily amused at the verbal slip.

But when someone says something idiotic, not by accident but by design, the humor comes from a different place and it's directed at the person, not the statement. And when an elected leader repeatedly makes incorrect historical references that directly reflect their lack of education or intelligence, that's not comedy, it's news (ok, maybe it's both), and deserves to be pointed out.

When Mike Huckabee "mispoke" about Obama growing up in Kenya with his Kenyan father, I guess he also mispoke for when he expounded on the Mao Mao Revolution's influence on young Obama.

 

[werepossum]

The teleprompter thing always cracks me up. The GOP hacks that derp about it really have no idea just how retarded it sounds for worshipers of King George to criticize anyone for a flub.

When I hear Obama say something like "There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, fool me once, shame on—shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again." ,then I'll start worrying.

That was hilarious. But until W or Bachman thank themselves for inviting themselves to the White House to meet themselves, I think the Messiah is still the flub king. Navy Corpsemen was a good one too.

This one's a bit different though, it's a flub with some effort behind it. Rather than reading something off a TelePrompter or getting confused about where you are and exactly how that old saying goes, she actually put some effort in crafting a speech based on wrong info - unless, like Obama, she just reads whatever comes out of the TelePrompter without practicing, proofing or understanding it. Wouldn't want to rule that out.

 

[jonks]

But until W or Bachman thank themselves for inviting themselves to the White House to meet themselves, I think the Messiah is still the flub king.

Is this the Irish PM thing? I don't recall that being a flub by Obama, I thought the staff switched teleprompter speeches and the Irish PM realized it and so Obama read PMs speech as a joke. That not what happened?

 

[werepossum]

Is this the Irish PM thing? I don't recall that being a flub by Obama, I thought the staff switched teleprompter speeches and the Irish PM realized it and so Obama read PMs speech as a joke. That not what happened?

Not from the reportage at the time, although that might be the spin now. I've only heard the video, but neither his reading nor his comments when he stopped reading appeared to be intended for humor.

One thing about liberals though, you guys can REALLY make a video disappear. The Queen's pelvic exam video would stay on a web site longer than did that video, and it sounded funny as hell.

As to who cares about Bachman, I've heard at least Sean Hannity talk her up as a potential POTUS. So I imagine she has at least some backing - though perhaps a bit less than before this speech.

 

[shira]

Any concerns about her stances on issues or can I assume the OP agrees with her on those?

Well, here's an amazingly insightful stance by Bachmann:

"I don't think that our public schools are necessarily the place where one fixed set of political beliefs should be imposed on students,"

Bachmann apparently believes that there are lots of people who DO think that "our public schools are the place where one fixed set of political beliefs should be imposed on students." Otherwise, why on earth even raise this issue during a speech?

I'm not aware of anyone who holds such a belief - no one on the right and no one of the left. But Bachmann sure thinks such people exist, and is now fighting the good fight against exactly no one.

But what's even more insane is her own stated opinion that schools are not NECESSARILY the place where one fixed set of political beliefs should be imposed on students. "Not necessarily," get it?

In other words, Bachmann believes that schools are OPTIONALLY the place where one fixed set of political beliefs should be imposed on students. If she meant schools should NEVER be such a place, then why on earth didn't she simply leave "necessarily" out of her statement? Answer? She's a moron.

 

[Kadarin]

From TFA:

"I don't think that our public schools are necessarily the place where one fixed set of political beliefs should be imposed on students," Bachmann said. "I think that knowledge, facts, and information should be on the table, and let students decide what their beliefs should be."

With that statement I'm guessing her ultimate future in the Republican Party is in doubt. Clearly she's off-message here.

 

[Aegeon]

What would I have to be mad about? That Obama couldn't remember how many states are in the country he wanted to lead? I wouldn't say mad, more lol. You mad because this is a non-news story?

If you look at what Obama actually said in the context he said it, no-one remotely in their right mind could possible believe it was anything other than a simple misspeak where Obama meant to say 47 instead of 57.

The original statement was that Obama had visited all the states during his campaigning, (disregarding the non-continental states of Hawaii and Alaska) and the one other left to go. In other words the statement made complete sense and was entirely accurate if forty had replaced fifty in the sentence in question.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp

By attempting to claim otherwise at this point, you are merely advertising your own ignorance and stupidity.