Michele Bachmann attempts a rewrite of the history of slavery

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sandorski

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Even in a 'general sense', Bachmann's view of history is grossly distorted. Even in the later years of America's history, immigrants were grossly discriminated against. See: the Irish ("Irish need not apply") or the Japanese in there internment camps or Arabs/Hispanics today.

Ya, I know all about those events, but stand by my post. "General" also encompasses Time and in Time what she said regarding about coming together and common values is indeed more or less accurate.
 

Phokus

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Ya, I know all about those events, but stand by my post. "General" also encompasses Time and in Time what she said regarding about coming together and common values is indeed more or less accurate.

"It didn't matter if you were of a higher class or a lower class, once you got here, we were all the same"

This has never been true in our history and it's not true today.
 

finglobes

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Bachman is correct to note there were founders who worked to abolish slavery. The article is very incorrect to say say Adams was not a founder. That's like saying Lance Armstrong is not a cyclist.


Aside from Adams speaking out against slavery, Ben Franklin turned to abolition of slavery with great vigour after the revolution. He was president of the Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery and the Relief of Negroes Unlawfully Held in Bondage.


First Cheif Justice John Jay was founder of the New York Society for the Manumission of Slaves in 1785.


Wadhington, Jeffferson, Madison were also against slavery. Contemporary people often fail to realise turning slaves free could have been the worst thing for many since they had no way of supporting themselves.




"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, 1821

"[The Convention] thought it wrong to admit in the Constitution the idea that there could be property in men."
-- James Madison, Records of the Convention, August 25, 1787


"American citizens are instrumental in carrying on a traffic in enslaved Africans, equally in violation of the laws of humanity and in defiance of those of their own country. The same just and benevolent motives which produced interdiction in force against this criminal conduct will doubtless be felt by Congress in devising further means of suppressing the evil. "
-- James Madison State of the Union,1810

"There is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it."
-- George Washington, letter to Robert Morris, April 12, 1786


Now contemporary people say that some of these people owned slaves so they should have set them free. That was easier said than done since many slaves had no eduction or means of support (there was no welfare etc). Washington inherited over 100 slaves and didn't buy them. He kept slave families together and accounted for them in his will.


It was Washngton's desire that slavery end but he understood there were states in the new country that would not tolerate any movement to do so.


In a private letter in 1786 he stated, it is "among my first wishes to see some plan adopted, by the legislature by which slavery in this Country may be abolished by slow, sure, and imperceptible degrees." He understood the commitment was to a cautious and gradual process and never allowed his anti-slavery position to be known publicly. He feared that such action would deeply divide the new nation


Aside from freedom, slaves who were children were to receive occupational training and to learn to read and write - elderly slaves were to receive financial support. Washington insisted that "this clause respecting Slaves, and every part thereof be religiously fulfilled ... without evasion, neglect, or delay."


Franklin understood slaves needed training


Franklin wrote "Address to the Public," in which he addressed the education of former slaves. The plan was to "instruct, to advise, to qualify those who have been restored to freedom, for the exercise and enjoyment of civil liberty; to promote in them habits of industry, to furnish them with employment suited to their age, sex, talents, and other circumstances. . . which we conceive will essentially promote the public good, and the happiness of these hitherto much neglected fellow-creatures."


Vermont ended slavery in 1777. PA in 1780 and NH, MA and CT in 1783 and 1784 . RI and NJ in 1799 and 1804. The actual end of slavery in these states was not long behind the official end. Congress did act to ban importation of slaves in 1808. There was quite a lot of action to curtail slavery on the part of founders. Slavery was brought to North America was founded. The founding of America is what would end it.
 

CallMeJoe

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...The article is very incorrect to say say Adams was not a founder. That's like saying Lance Armstrong is not a cyclist...
John Quincy Adams was the son of a Founder (and nephew of another), not a Founder himself. He was not yet nine years old when the Declaration of Independence was signed.
 
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She is considered the "brains" of the GOP LMFAO looks good for 2012!

Now, now.

In her defense she did say this about her own mind...

And I don’t think I give as much credence to my own mind, because I see myself as being very limited and very flawed, and lacking in knowledge, and wisdom and understanding.

Ok so maybe there were snippets on each end since as she was talking about the bible but this way is more enjoyable!
 

trenchfoot

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Look deeply into her eyes as she was sermonizing. That blank looking stare said it all. Look at her mouth and how she forms her words with deliberation, as if she found it so difficult to pronounce each syllable. Look at her posture and how she uses her hands. They are both completely out of synch with what she's talking about and conveyed a sense of her being completely out of character and made her look animatronic.

She was saying words without empathy. Her words were devoid of conviction. Her delivery was no better than if she was carefully watching her own mouth form each word in front of a mirror. She was, for all intent and purpose, talking to herself.

All in all, she creeped me out. I've seen performances like hers before, and that was back in high school speech class and at Dale Carnegie seminars where folks who had absolutely no business attempting to be public speakers were trying in vain only to end up embarrassing themselves and everyone in the room with them.

Whatever she said in that speech of hers was not her own words nor were they sincere and from the heart and was painfully over-practiced.

Fail in every way possible.
 
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Atreus21

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Bachman is correct to note there were founders who worked to abolish slavery. The article is very incorrect to say say Adams was not a founder. That's like saying Lance Armstrong is not a cyclist.


Aside from Adams speaking out against slavery, Ben Franklin turned to abolition of slavery with great vigour after the revolution. He was president of the Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery and the Relief of Negroes Unlawfully Held in Bondage.


First Cheif Justice John Jay was founder of the New York Society for the Manumission of Slaves in 1785.


Wadhington, Jeffferson, Madison were also against slavery. Contemporary people often fail to realise turning slaves free could have been the worst thing for many since they had no way of supporting themselves.




"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, 1821

"[The Convention] thought it wrong to admit in the Constitution the idea that there could be property in men."
-- James Madison, Records of the Convention, August 25, 1787


"American citizens are instrumental in carrying on a traffic in enslaved Africans, equally in violation of the laws of humanity and in defiance of those of their own country. The same just and benevolent motives which produced interdiction in force against this criminal conduct will doubtless be felt by Congress in devising further means of suppressing the evil. "
-- James Madison State of the Union,1810

"There is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it."
-- George Washington, letter to Robert Morris, April 12, 1786


Now contemporary people say that some of these people owned slaves so they should have set them free. That was easier said than done since many slaves had no eduction or means of support (there was no welfare etc). Washington inherited over 100 slaves and didn't buy them. He kept slave families together and accounted for them in his will.


It was Washngton's desire that slavery end but he understood there were states in the new country that would not tolerate any movement to do so.


In a private letter in 1786 he stated, it is "among my first wishes to see some plan adopted, by the legislature by which slavery in this Country may be abolished by slow, sure, and imperceptible degrees." He understood the commitment was to a cautious and gradual process and never allowed his anti-slavery position to be known publicly. He feared that such action would deeply divide the new nation


Aside from freedom, slaves who were children were to receive occupational training and to learn to read and write - elderly slaves were to receive financial support. Washington insisted that "this clause respecting Slaves, and every part thereof be religiously fulfilled ... without evasion, neglect, or delay."


Franklin understood slaves needed training


Franklin wrote "Address to the Public," in which he addressed the education of former slaves. The plan was to "instruct, to advise, to qualify those who have been restored to freedom, for the exercise and enjoyment of civil liberty; to promote in them habits of industry, to furnish them with employment suited to their age, sex, talents, and other circumstances. . . which we conceive will essentially promote the public good, and the happiness of these hitherto much neglected fellow-creatures."


Vermont ended slavery in 1777. PA in 1780 and NH, MA and CT in 1783 and 1784 . RI and NJ in 1799 and 1804. The actual end of slavery in these states was not long behind the official end. Congress did act to ban importation of slaves in 1808. There was quite a lot of action to curtail slavery on the part of founders. Slavery was brought to North America was founded. The founding of America is what would end it.

I'm not sure if you've ever seen the movie 1776, but I've always wondered if the part where SC won't sign the declaration until the anti-slavery clause is scratched out is historically accurate.

Very good movie anyway, if you don't mind musicals.