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MacBaine

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Originally posted by: brunswickite
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: FrogDog
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: GoodToGo
I bet half of the chickenhawk neo cons would sh!t their pants at the mere sound of gunfire and here they are, comfortably sending other people into battle.

One might call me a neocon. However, during my military service, I ensured that I qualified "expert" level on 4 different weapons - in the event the need arose to use them. Do I have any trouble with U.S. troops fighting our wars? No. Freedom does not always come freely.
So you would be perfectly comfortable if you were in the military now, going and fighting in Iraq? With all the information about the reasons for going we now have?

I may be there in a few years, and I am perfectly comfortable with that.

What else?

It's great to see your solid devotion to your country. Most of the peeps here would only get close to military experience by playing Xbox games.


WE ARE NOT FIGHTING IN IRAQ FOR OUR FREEDOM. Haveing pride and devotion to your country is one thing, but you do not necessarily have to become a sheep and blindly support a war with unjustified causes. I support the brave troops in Iraq, but I do NOT support the war.

If you only had some semblance of a clue as to how the military works. Soldiers do what they do because they are told to, regardless of what their opinion of the matter is. That is how it must be for the military to function. People know this when they sign up. They enlist to serve their country, not their own personal agenda.

Off that subject, this war is perfectly justified. It is merely a continuation of the Gulf War which never officially ended, as Saddam failed to meet the provisions of the cease-fire which was set in place at the end of the first major involvement. If you followed politics to any extent rather than just becoming a sheep and blindly opposing a war with justified causes, you wouldn't look like an idiot right now. Carry on.
 

T2T III

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I understand that. Obviously we don't get pick which battles we fight when enrolling in the service. However, we are allowed to disagree with them. Is there a point where you disagree so much that you wouldn't fight?

My personal belief is that there are no points that I would disagree on. When you see someone who deserts because their belief is different than what they are being told to do? They are not treated so nicely.

Being in the military isn't like working for corporation "X" where you all attend a meeting and you're able to freeely voice your opinions. If you want to put up such questions because things you are told to do are not within your belief system, you better have your one-way ticket prepared for a country that will let you in, because that's what you'll need to do if you insist on following your belief system.
 

UglyCasanova

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: GoodToGo
I bet half of the chickenhawk neo cons would sh!t their pants at the mere sound of gunfire and here they are, comfortably sending other people into battle.

You do realize we have a lot of vets, current servicemen, and future servicemen here, right? Ok, time for you to be quiet.

I think he meant the chickenhawks who made the decision to go to war. The servicemen on this forum are merely pawns sent to their deaths.

:roll:
 

FrogDog

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Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
I understand that. Obviously we don't get pick which battles we fight when enrolling in the service. However, we are allowed to disagree with them. Is there a point where you disagree so much that you wouldn't fight?

My personal belief is that there are no points that I would disagree on. When you see someone who deserts because their belief is different than what they are being told to do? They are not treated so nicely.

Being in the military isn't like working for corporation "X" where you all attend a meeting and you're able to freeely voice your opinions. If you want to put up such questions because things you are told to do are not within your belief system, you better have your one-way ticket prepared for a country that will let you in, because that's what you'll need to do if you insist on following your belief system.
Well I guess this is why Hitler had an army.
 

T2T III

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Originally posted by: FrogDog
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
I understand that. Obviously we don't get pick which battles we fight when enrolling in the service. However, we are allowed to disagree with them. Is there a point where you disagree so much that you wouldn't fight?

My personal belief is that there are no points that I would disagree on. When you see someone who deserts because their belief is different than what they are being told to do? They are not treated so nicely.

Being in the military isn't like working for corporation "X" where you all attend a meeting and you're able to freeely voice your opinions. If you want to put up such questions because things you are told to do are not within your belief system, you better have your one-way ticket prepared for a country that will let you in, because that's what you'll need to do if you insist on following your belief system.
Well I guess this is why Hitler had an army.

You really humor me. Do you really think that you could go into the military and question things to the degree you are doing so here?

Not possible. Not at all.

[Edit]: Additionally, when you join the military, you are told that Uncle Sam owns your a$$ - 24/7.
 

MacBaine

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Originally posted by: FrogDog
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
I understand that. Obviously we don't get pick which battles we fight when enrolling in the service. However, we are allowed to disagree with them. Is there a point where you disagree so much that you wouldn't fight?

My personal belief is that there are no points that I would disagree on. When you see someone who deserts because their belief is different than what they are being told to do? They are not treated so nicely.

Being in the military isn't like working for corporation "X" where you all attend a meeting and you're able to freeely voice your opinions. If you want to put up such questions because things you are told to do are not within your belief system, you better have your one-way ticket prepared for a country that will let you in, because that's what you'll need to do if you insist on following your belief system.
Well I guess this is why Hitler had an army.

You realize this is how EVERY army has always worked, in the history of modern warfare?

Way to compare it to Hitler though, you classy son of a bitch.
 

FrogDog

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Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: FrogDog
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
I understand that. Obviously we don't get pick which battles we fight when enrolling in the service. However, we are allowed to disagree with them. Is there a point where you disagree so much that you wouldn't fight?

My personal belief is that there are no points that I would disagree on. When you see someone who deserts because their belief is different than what they are being told to do? They are not treated so nicely.

Being in the military isn't like working for corporation "X" where you all attend a meeting and you're able to freeely voice your opinions. If you want to put up such questions because things you are told to do are not within your belief system, you better have your one-way ticket prepared for a country that will let you in, because that's what you'll need to do if you insist on following your belief system.
Well I guess this is why Hitler had an army.

You really humor me. Do you really think that you could go into the military and question things to the degree you are doing so here?

Not possible. Not at all.
Well then that sucks!
 

sillymofo

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Damn people, the point of this link wasn't for you guys to fight over political opinion differences, but rather appreciate the value of life, and peace. That's why I posted this in OT, otherwise, it would have been in P&N.
 

MacBaine

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Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
Damn people, the point of this link wasn't for you guys to fight over political opinion differences, but rather appreciate the value of life, and peace. That's why I posted this in OT, otherwise, it would have been in P&N.

BS. You know exactly why you posted it.
 

sillymofo

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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Back to the P[ettiness] & N[ame-calling] forum with you!
By the way, there was no 2000 election, but rather 5 Justices that decided the fate of this country.
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: FrogDog
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
I understand that. Obviously we don't get pick which battles we fight when enrolling in the service. However, we are allowed to disagree with them. Is there a point where you disagree so much that you wouldn't fight?

My personal belief is that there are no points that I would disagree on. When you see someone who deserts because their belief is different than what they are being told to do? They are not treated so nicely.

Being in the military isn't like working for corporation "X" where you all attend a meeting and you're able to freeely voice your opinions. If you want to put up such questions because things you are told to do are not within your belief system, you better have your one-way ticket prepared for a country that will let you in, because that's what you'll need to do if you insist on following your belief system.
Well I guess this is why Hitler had an army.

I'm invoking Godwin's law. You lose.
 

T2T III

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Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Back to the P[ettiness] & N[ame-calling] forum with you!
By the way, there was no 2000 election, but rather 5 Justices that decided the fate of this country.

You wanted this thread to be in Off Topic - and then noted to us that it should not be a P&N thread. Now, you're suggesting conspiracies?

What is your true agenda here?
 

brunswickite

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Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: brunswickite
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: FrogDog
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: GoodToGo
I bet half of the chickenhawk neo cons would sh!t their pants at the mere sound of gunfire and here they are, comfortably sending other people into battle.

One might call me a neocon. However, during my military service, I ensured that I qualified "expert" level on 4 different weapons - in the event the need arose to use them. Do I have any trouble with U.S. troops fighting our wars? No. Freedom does not always come freely.
So you would be perfectly comfortable if you were in the military now, going and fighting in Iraq? With all the information about the reasons for going we now have?

I may be there in a few years, and I am perfectly comfortable with that.

What else?

It's great to see your solid devotion to your country. Most of the peeps here would only get close to military experience by playing Xbox games.


WE ARE NOT FIGHTING IN IRAQ FOR OUR FREEDOM. Haveing pride and devotion to your country is one thing, but you do not necessarily have to become a sheep and blindly support a war with unjustified causes. I support the brave troops in Iraq, but I do NOT support the war.

If you only had some semblance of a clue as to how the military works. Soldiers do what they do because they are told to, regardless of what their opinion of the matter is. That is how it must be for the military to function. People know this when they sign up. They enlist to serve their country, not their own personal agenda.

Off that subject, this war is perfectly justified. It is merely a continuation of the Gulf War which never officially ended, as Saddam failed to meet the provisions of the cease-fire which was set in place at the end of the first major involvement. If you followed politics to any extent rather than just becoming a sheep and blindly opposing a war with justified causes, you wouldn't look like an idiot right now. Carry on.


1) i was talking about citizens who are not in the military, about supporting the war. Obviously if you are in the military you follow the orders that are given to you.

2) Sadaam was not connected to 9/11 (there has been no proof found), and how dangerous he is and his WMD were greatly exaggerated.

3) the economy is in the crapper, and the president does not seem like he is doing much to fix it, as he focuses on the war to divert attention.

that is all
 

sillymofo

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Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Back to the P[ettiness] & N[ame-calling] forum with you!
By the way, there was no 2000 election, but rather 5 Justices that decided the fate of this country.

You wanted this thread to be in Off Topic - and then noted to us that it should not be a P&N thread. Now, you're suggesting conspiracies?

What is your true agenda here?
Oh... this is something that I remember when looking at Feldenak's sig, and have been meaning to tell him.
 

FrogDog

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Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: FrogDog
Yes. It's called prison.
What's called prison? :confused:

Are you a complete moron? Read the post that I quoted. There's a little thingy in there called a question. My reply is a little thingy called an answer.
So you were indeed responding to my question then? This one?

"However, we are allowed to disagree with them. Is there a point where you disagree so much that you wouldn't fight?"

I was asking - sorry for the apparent confusion - whether or not there was a "point" where you would not go to war, based on political disagreements with the government. Possible answers: "No, I would always go. "Yes, sometimes I wouldn't go."

Notice neither of the answers are "prison."
 

MacBaine

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Originally posted by: brunswickite
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: brunswickite
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: FrogDog
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: GoodToGo
I bet half of the chickenhawk neo cons would sh!t their pants at the mere sound of gunfire and here they are, comfortably sending other people into battle.

One might call me a neocon. However, during my military service, I ensured that I qualified "expert" level on 4 different weapons - in the event the need arose to use them. Do I have any trouble with U.S. troops fighting our wars? No. Freedom does not always come freely.
So you would be perfectly comfortable if you were in the military now, going and fighting in Iraq? With all the information about the reasons for going we now have?

I may be there in a few years, and I am perfectly comfortable with that.

What else?

It's great to see your solid devotion to your country. Most of the peeps here would only get close to military experience by playing Xbox games.


WE ARE NOT FIGHTING IN IRAQ FOR OUR FREEDOM. Haveing pride and devotion to your country is one thing, but you do not necessarily have to become a sheep and blindly support a war with unjustified causes. I support the brave troops in Iraq, but I do NOT support the war.

If you only had some semblance of a clue as to how the military works. Soldiers do what they do because they are told to, regardless of what their opinion of the matter is. That is how it must be for the military to function. People know this when they sign up. They enlist to serve their country, not their own personal agenda.

Off that subject, this war is perfectly justified. It is merely a continuation of the Gulf War which never officially ended, as Saddam failed to meet the provisions of the cease-fire which was set in place at the end of the first major involvement. If you followed politics to any extent rather than just becoming a sheep and blindly opposing a war with justified causes, you wouldn't look like an idiot right now. Carry on.


1) i was talking about citizens who are not in the military, about supporting the war. Obviously if you are in the military you follow the orders that are given to you.

2) Sadaam was not connected to 9/11 (there has been no proof found), and how dangerous he is and his WMD were greatly exaggerated.

3) the economy is in the crapper, and the president does not seem like he is doing much to fix it, as he focuses on the war to divert attention.

that is all

I didn't say anything about 9/11. I just said that the war is still perfectly justifiable and legal.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: FrogDog
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: FrogDog
Yes. It's called prison.
What's called prison? :confused:

Are you a complete moron? Read the post that I quoted. There's a little thingy in there called a question. My reply is a little thingy called an answer.
So you were indeed responding to my question then? This one?

"However, we are allowed to disagree with them. Is there a point where you disagree so much that you wouldn't fight?"

I was asking - sorry for the apparent confusion - whether or not there was a "point" where you would not go to war, based on political disagreements with the government. Possible answers: "No, I would always go. "Yes, sometimes I wouldn't go."

Notice neither of the answers are "prison."

Confirmed, you're a moron.

My answer was intended to imply that if there WAS a time that you refused to fight based on political reasoning, you would be imprisoned. It's that simple.
 

FrogDog

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Confirmed, you're a moron.
See what you're doing there? You're calling me a moron. You're not just saynig, "It's called a moron." No, that wouldn't make sense would it? Maybe if I had asked, "What's a really stupid person called?" it would make sense. Similarly, "What's that place called where people go if they leave the military illegally?" would be a proper question to respond to with "It's called prison."