Michael Moore's Movie WHERE TO INVADE NEXT

[sportage]

Seen this latest Moore film last night and I realized there is a huge difference between Europeans and Americans.
Are you an European at heart?

I believe Bernie Sanders is an European at heart, his ideas, and so are the hearts of Bernie's followers.
And that too is my dilemma. That I am an European at heart.
In Europe and with their way of thinking, you do not have religion running their politics.
You do not see this "us against them" mentality.
You do not treat people and especially minorities as we do in America.

That is why Europeans have healthcare for all.
And why Europeans can have tuition free college with graduates not strapped in debt.
And why Europeans can have this live and let live mentality when it comes to minorities.
And you can have true separation between church and State.
Pretty much all of which Bernie Sanders stands for and preaches about.
And this is exactly why Bernie has thousands, millions of followers.

Bernie is not a socialist. Bernie is not a commie.
Bernie has true European values, and that resonates with millions of Americans.
Because while Moore's latest film is not about Bernie Sanders what so ever, it does address this fact that most if not all of todays European values are actually contained in and taken right out of our very own US Constitution.

Forget the fact that this is a film from Michael Moore, just follow the comparisons made within Moore's film between European values and American values.
Actually, the blatant comparisons were very depressing.
Very depressing if you are an American, that is.
On the bright side, it still gives one hope that someone like a Bernie Sanders and his message can gain such popularity.
And that so many Americans are in tune with Bernie's message.

I'm not going to go into details about the film or the comparisons between American values and European values. See the movie for that.
I'll just ask... what the hell has happened to America?
Why have so many European countries copied and taken to heart our US Constitutional values, while here in America we have trended away from those very same values?

As typical, I doubt very many people will pay to see Michael Moore's film WHERE TO INVADE NEXT.
What usually happens with Moore films is when people finally catch them on HBO, ShowTime, or on DVD.
Then, we see this delayed reaction from people saying WTF? I never realized this.
Michael Moore is right.
Moore is right about the connections between our love of guns and the mass killings in America. Michael Moore is right about the government failures before and after 9/11.
Michael Moore is right about what happens when a corporation shuts down to relocate in Mexico, as with Flint Michigan.
Michael Moore is right about the failures of our American healthcare for profit system.
And Michael Moore is right when comparing our failures of governing by our very own US Constitution, and European successes by governing from the very same US Constitution.

So I assume just about the time Michael Moore's latest film goes viral on HBO and DVD, we will be approaching D-Day with our national presidential election.
And I have to wonder as with other Moore films, that after Americans finally watch this latest Michael Moore film will they realize that Bernie Sanders is absolutely right?
College, healthcare, LGBT rights, minority rights, women's rights, and the separation of church and state were all contained in the US Constitution per sue, and intended as the blueprint for our elected officials to govern.
And the freedoms provided within our constitution taken to heart.

And then ask, what the hell has happened in America?
How and when did we suddenly become some third world country where every aspect of our politics and society must pass some religious litheness test?
When did the people fall victim to this mixing of religious ideology and political ideology?
And more important, is there a way out? Is it too late?

 

[slugg]

TLDR; wrong forum, too.

 

[tortillasoup]

Definitely wrong forum.


Also, on american exceptionalism. The European Union has a GDP that matches that of the United States while having DOUBLE the population. That means in the U.S, we're twice as wealthy as the EU. The U.S was a great country because of its immigration policy was a sieve for the undesirables and attracted those who were fed up with the respective countries they came from. Bernie Sanders wants Unicorns for all. A quick jab at the "free college" thing in europe... yeah it's free, and it's also super exclusive. The rate of college admission is significantly less there than over here. We admit too many people to a fault. The concept of free college is also I find to be really funny because a primary reason why the students complain about the debt is that they can't pay it back with their meager salaries. Obviously the college education was a complete waste of time and was probably more of an indoctrination camp than anything else.

 

[walkur]

1st. Europe is not some ideal land where everything is better... believe me, we have enough problems of our own.... (and adding more and more)
2nd. Europe is not 1 country. The differences between the countries can be enormous. As a result I can only comment on one small piece of europe.

That is why Europeans have healthcare for all.
- and we pay for it, in my case €120 a month.

And why Europeans can have tuition free college with graduates not strapped in debt.
- no we don't, most of it is a loan we get from the government. We're expected to pay most of it back (the amount and duration you have to pay back depends on your income)

And why Europeans can have this live and let live mentality when it comes to minorities.
- we have enough problems with minorities, based on my experiences in the US the cultural differences are sometimes even pronounced then in the US.

And you can have true separation between church and State.
- True, you hardly see any politician running a pure faith based campaign for example (we do have our fringe parties...).
But that's more the result of the overall decline of organized religion in the Netherlands, about 50% have no religious affiliation and about 15% of the total population visit a church/mosque/temple/synagogue at least once a month)

It's a completely different picture in for example Poland....

 

[Craig234]

Also, on american exceptionalism. The European Union has a GDP that matches that of the United States while having DOUBLE the population. That means in the U.S, we're twice as wealthy as the EU. The U.S was a great country because of its immigration policy was a sieve for the undesirables and attracted those who were fed up with the respective countries they came from. Bernie Sanders wants Unicorns for all.

Where to start? It's an unfair comparison - it'd be like including all of the American populations for the US, like poorer countries are included for the EU.

With our higher concentration of wealth, how much of that money actually gets to the American people? Then factor in things like the paid healthcare and education in Europe.

Try comparing the EU to Scandanavia, closest to the policies of Bernie Sanders, and the results aren't the same - with higher incomes in those countries than the US PLUS benefits.

Bernie Sanders doesn't want unicorns, that's a childish and ignorant statement. Bernie Sanders wants some essential needs of people met and less inequality - excellent ideas.

And then there's that whole not letting billionares buy our government issue.

 

[exdeath]

Anyone have the hotline for escaped mental patients?

Talking politics and being left and right are one thing, but sucking Michael Moore's dick and basing your knowledge of politics based on television produced by a slanted sloth of a Hollywood director is clearly listed in medical journals as a serious psychiatric disorder.

 

[exdeath]

Bernie Sanders doesn't want unicorns, that's a childish and ignorant statement. Bernie Sanders wants some essential needs of people met and less inequality - excellent ideas.

Providing an undiscriminating environment to promote the opportunity for equality and treating people equal in their own personal attempts to attain wealth and material things is a lot different from just giving people free stuff by taking it from others.

Is my salary going to go up by the same amount as minimum wage? Am I going to get tax breaks on a new house or new car when higher taxes to give people free stuff stop me from buying stuff I wanted?

I'm talking about individual economic rights to spend my money on things I want, not "evil corporations". We obviously have serious issues in the marketplace that need to be addressed by large companies using loopholes to manipulate and control the market (eg: patent squatting and patent abuse being government sponsored monopolies) Not even going to argue against that one.

 

[tortillasoup]

Where to start? It's an unfair comparison - it'd be like including all of the American populations for the US, like poorer countries are included for the EU.

With our higher concentration of wealth, how much of that money actually gets to the American people? Then factor in things like the paid healthcare and education in Europe.

Try comparing the EU to Scandanavia, closest to the policies of Bernie Sanders, and the results aren't the same - with higher incomes in those countries than the US PLUS benefits.

Bernie Sanders doesn't want unicorns, that's a childish and ignorant statement. Bernie Sanders wants some essential needs of people met and less inequality - excellent ideas.

And then there's that whole not letting billionares buy our government issue.

That's such a joke to whine about the "unfair comparison" and then swing back and say, "hey look, bernie only wants america to be like Sweden/Norway". First of all, the demographics both culturally and race wise are so very different in those countries compared with the United States that if anything like what they have in Sweden was attempted here, you'd have a far greater chance of achieving what we have in Mexico or some other shit hole South American country. A large social safety net/hammock just breeds more parasites. Liberals don't want to acknowledge this problem because it's an uncomfortable reality for them. Meanwhile, in the Scandinavian countries, they're in a population decline and are importing uneducated immigrants who share incompatible cultural values.

It just would be nice if people spoke frankly like the right acknowledging that a Fetus isn't a person no matter how mad you get at pre-martial sex or that AGW is caused by human activity. Or if the left acknowledged that having a massive social safety net (hammock) + unlimited immigration will only encourage the most parasitic and uneducated among us to breed more uneducated, parasitic people. That heavily taxing the wealthy will hamper social progress more than help it. That making college free would do nothing but add to the public debt and lead to an entire generation of "educated idiots".

 

[exdeath]

A large social safety net/hammock just breeds more parasites. Liberals don't want to acknowledge this problem because it's an uncomfortable reality for them.

Oh they very much acknowledge it in their outspoken quest to turn red states blue. What they want is intentional and calculated.

Give people stuff and they will vote for Santa Clause. Especially people coming from parts of the world who aren't trying to get away from that philosophy but support and embrace socialism as part of their culture (Latin America/South America, home of the third world poor peoples who idolize those like Che Guevara and Robin Hood).

In the past, immigrants came here shunning their homeland and sought independence and to enjoy the fruits of their own labor, not to collect a welfare check. The current immigration trend is about free stuff, bringing their political values with them, and displacing the existing demographic in order to transform another nation from the inside, not join it.

 

[DigDog]

In Europe and with their way of thinking, you do not have religion running their politics.
You do not see this "us against them" mentality.
You do not treat people and especially minorities as we do in America.

we have had religion as a political force literally owning nearly all of europe. we grew out of it after a long and difficult fight.
we have the same us vs them mentality, except that we don't take it as far. we don't like ANY foreigner,. but we are not going on a rampage if they win every now and then. essentially due to the fact that we're now all the same, due to the miscegenation brought about by the roman empire, french empire, german migrations, holy roman empire, etc.

That is why Europeans have healthcare for all.
And why Europeans can have tuition free college with graduates not strapped in debt.
And why Europeans can have this live and let live mentality when it comes to minorities.
And you can have true separation between church and State.
Pretty much all of which Bernie Sanders stands for and preaches about.

no.
we have all these nice things because we still have serfdom in our genes, and we are mentally conditioned to obey, we have repressivetough, strict governments who see us all as incompetent criminals who need to be controlled in everything.

in europe you need a (paid)license for ANYTHING. want to sell lemonade at a lemonade stand? license. we're taxed on everything. our money has no value.
our schools are free, but they are also shit. we live with a jumble of idiotic laws and we're pretty much considered guilty until proven otherwise.

we also enjoy our slice of corruption and idiocy.


i've lived extensively in the US and i tell you, i would pick the US over EU every day without blinking.
Ammuricans have a new mind. they are like kids, they might do something stupid but they are full of enthusiasm.
Euros are depressed old people who are about to die.

Sanders is not the perfect candidate; but he's pretty good.

His ideas are not europeans, they are observations of successful countries. All he does is run the real numbers, the ones provided by science people and not by politics people.
You simply get a better, more efficient country with free healthcare; with higher wages.

And this is exactly why Bernie has thousands, millions of followers.

Bernie is not a socialist. Bernie is not a commie.
Bernie has true European values, and that resonates with millions of Americans.

Nah. Bernie is a socialist.
But then again, most political parties in the whole world are socialist. The concept that the state provides services and a framework within which its citizens can work, thus assuring tax and workforce.

That's not really a stroke of genius - more like common sense.
If you go look at the manifesto of the Italian Fascist Movement (an actual Fascist Party where one of the leaders is Mussolini's daughter, im4srsus), they are just as socialist as the Communists. They all want the trains to run on time, they all want people to be able to get to their workplace and to have drinking water.

Because while Moore's latest film is not about Bernie Sanders what so ever, it does address this fact that most if not all of todays European values are actually contained in and taken right out of our very own US Constitution.

You're european yo. Where exactly did you think the pilgrims came from. Or are you a native Navaho?

//snip//
I'll just ask... what the hell has happened to America?
Why have so many European countries copied and taken to heart our US Constitutional values, while here in America we have trended away from those very same values?

first off, we've "take to heart" some of your "constitutional values" because of strongarm political pressure from the US, not because we wanted to.

You want to know what's happening to the US? Look at your history.

Going back, you got: 70 years of Cold War, where you proceeded to piss off every country in the world, throw yourself into poverty through military spending, and refused to keep up with your own demographic development, all tnx to this We'Re Number One! propaganda which was exclusively adopted because of said cold war.

Before that you got WW2,

the crash of '39

the roaring 20s

volstead act and the flourish of organized crime

and you're already in the 1910s where you weer an agrarian society. guns n the wilderness, a society of 60 million people over an entire continent.

you got so caught up in this cold war / espionage / world domination bullshit, that you forgot how to country.
You can't adapt the same mentality that fitted a life in the wild west to a modern world of telecommunicatons. And sll the bad stuff, corruption, spying, oppressive control, crime, they loooove telecommunications.

Corruption's always been in the genes of the US, see the rail barons, oil barons, land grabs, market crashes; for pete's sake, you invented Wall Street - legalized gambling designed so as to allow cheating.

Now it's just caught up with you; did you really think you could grow your kids teaching the phonetics and later expect to integrate them into society without messing it up?

As typical, I doubt very many people will pay to see Michael Moore's film WHERE TO INVADE NEXT.
What usually happens with Moore films is when people finally catch them on HBO, ShowTime, or on DVD.
Then, we see this delayed reaction from people saying WTF? I never realized this.
Michael Moore is right.
Moore is right about the connections between our love of guns and the mass killings in America. Michael Moore is right about the government failures before and after 9/11.
Michael Moore is right about what happens when a corporation shuts down to relocate in Mexico, as with Flint Michigan.
Michael Moore is right about the failures of our American healthcare for profit system.
And Michael Moore is right when comparing our failures of governing by our very own US Constitution, and European successes by governing from the very same US Constitution.

Yeah you don't need michael moore to tell you that. I can tell you that, most non-US people can tell you that. Because you've gone all Stalin and eliminated reality from your education system, to support your cold war propaganda, and now you wonder why people do dumb shit.
Us euros know what happens when you let stuff like religion run rampant. China's so smart, they institutionalized corruption when they figured they couldn't fight it.

So I assume just about the time Michael Moore's latest film goes viral on HBO and DVD, we will be approaching D-Day with our national presidential election.
And I have to wonder as with other Moore films, that after Americans finally watch this latest Michael Moore film will they realize that Bernie Sanders is absolutely right?
College, healthcare, LGBT rights, minority rights, women's rights, and the separation of church and state were all contained in the US Constitution per sue, and intended as the blueprint for our elected officials to govern.
And the freedoms provided within our constitution taken to heart.

And then ask, what the hell has happened in America?
How and when did we suddenly become some third world country where every aspect of our politics and society must pass some religious litheness test?
When did the people fall victim to this mixing of religious ideology and political ideology?
And more important, is there a way out? Is it too late?

you've fallen prey to idealism;

for everything you do, there's a price to pay. Do you want to be carefree, to party all the time, to We're Number One!, to Too Cool For School, to I Don't Know That! ?

There's a price to pay for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-onyCQEAF0

Like Luke Capasso says, you want guns? Then some kids have to die.

Your constitution is too abstract, too idealistic. You want your cake and eat it too. You want your government to be all nice and shiny but you don't want to give them any money. You want to be free and your house is your kingdom, but you don't want to be murdered.

You can't have it both ways pal.

Also, the reason why nobody watches michael moore films, is because that stuff never gets released.

 

[tortillasoup]

Oh they very much acknowledge it in their outspoken quest to turn red states blue. What they want is intentional.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc


American Liberals:

 

[exdeath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc


American Liberals:

Speak of the devil himself... I'd been adding to my post before you posted this btw.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Anyone have the hotline for escaped mental patients?

Too funny! :thumbsup: My coffee almost came out my nose!

 

[soulcougher73]

Americans would have to care about other Americans before anything like that would ever happen. Downside of multiculturalism, usually people only want to take care of "their own" in that way.

 

[realibrad]

I am going to guess that the OP has never been to "Europe" for an extended amount of time.

 

[marincounty]

Oh they very much acknowledge it in their outspoken quest to turn red states blue. What they want is intentional and calculated.

Give people stuff and they will vote for Santa Clause. Especially people coming from parts of the world who aren't trying to get away from that philosophy but support and embrace socialism as part of their culture (Latin America/South America, home of the third world poor peoples who idolize those like Che Guevara and Robin Hood).

In the past, immigrants came here shunning their homeland and sought independence and to enjoy the fruits of their own labor, not to collect a welfare check. The current immigration trend is about free stuff, bringing their political values with them, and displacing the existing demographic in order to transform another nation from the inside, not join it.

I guess you forgot about GWB and his tax cuts using borrowed money. Everyone couldn't wait to get their check, nevermind that they and their children will have to pay it back -plus interest.
Bribing voters is a well established practice-on both sides of the aisle. There's a reason for it, it works.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I guess you forgot about GWB and his tax cuts using borrowed money. Everyone couldn't wait to get their check, nevermind that they and their children will have to pay it back -plus interest.
Bribing voters is a well established practice-on both sides of the aisle. There's a reason for it, it works.

Why do you need to go all the way back to Bush to express your rage over this issue? I guess you forgot about Obama and his tax cuts using borrowed money. Nevermind that we and our children will have to pay it back...plus interest! I love it when liberals pretend to be fiscal conservatives....or Republicans for that matter (truth be told).

https://www.whitehouse.gov/economy/jobs/tax-relief-for-160-million-workers

 

[Fenixgoon]

Moore is right about the connections between our love of guns and the mass killings in America.

Really, is he? Does he go over how psychology journals have documented the effects of 24/7 news coverage - that the more something is played up in the news, the more likely another shooting will occur within about 2 weeks.

What about how mass shooting violence compares with drug-related violence and number of suicides? Mass shooting homicides account for a small fraction of overall gun-related deaths each year (about 1%), where as drug related violence is somewhere around 25% (~7500ish) and suicides 60% (20,000).

Michael Moore is right about the government failures before and after 9/11.

The government will continue to fail, because humans can fail. It's not a matter of if, but when and by how much. Yes, something tragic happened, but we shouldn't have thrown away all our rights out the door. The TSA has been documented to be ineffective - both by former heads of the agency and by its own internal auditing. The "terror watch list" is virtually useless because so many people are on it. The ACLU opposes it because someone somewhere within the government can put you on a list that strips you of rights without due process.

Michael Moore is right about what happens when a corporation shuts down to relocate in Mexico, as with Flint Michigan.

It's not just flint, it's anywhere there's american industry. Relocating jobs is always going to be negative. The water-related issues in flint are certainly linked to a degree by the local economy, but to say that once industry leaves your water will go to shit is inaccurate.

Michael Moore is right about the failures of our American healthcare for profit system.

Our healthcare needs reform, no doubt. But we also make the most advances in medical science. Nobel prizes in medicine have gone to americans in the past 30 years more often than not, IIRC.

And Michael Moore is right when comparing our failures of governing by our very own US Constitution, and European successes by governing from the very same US Constitution.

which european countries have a US constitution? I'm fairly certain none of them do.


Which european countries have the same culture and history as the US? The way I see it, they are just now getting to experience the growing pains that the US has gone through, and still does. The United State is fairly culturally and ethnically diverse compared to european countries, and certain compared to korea and japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level

What do the french and italians think of north african migrants (not syrian refugees)? What about the swiss? What do australians think of asylum seekers from indonesia?

If the news is anything to go by, their attitudes aren't that different from how a good number of people in the US who don't like illegal immigrants from south/central america.

Is that very european of them? Or very american of them? Or is that a sort of universal attitude amongst people of all countries?

Europe is not this ideal paradise that your post makes it seem to be. And the US is by no means a paradise either - but there's a good reason lots of people want to come here.

 

[shortylickens]

When you lie to yourself every day, it sounds like the truth after a while.

Micheal Moore also has bullshit nostalgia for life in Flint when he was a kid.

 

[DigDog]

Which european countries have the same culture and history as the US? The way I see it, they are just now getting to experience the growing pains that the US has gone through

we've had culture and history since you were in your teepee smoking da peace pipe.

 

[1prophet]

In Europe and with their way of thinking, you do not have religion running their politics.
You do not see this "us against them" mentality.
You do not treat people and especially minorities as we do in America.

That is why Europeans have healthcare for all.
And why Europeans can have tuition free college with graduates not strapped in debt.
And why Europeans can have this live and let live mentality when it comes to minorities.
And you can have true separation between church and State.
Pretty much all of which Bernie Sanders stands for and preaches about.
And this is exactly why Bernie has thousands, millions of followers.

They broke free from the shackles of Christianity only to replace it with the new stronger shackles of the Saudi version of Islam by importing many tens of thousands from some of the most misogynistic, homophobic, anti free speech, anti secular countries along with their Saudi Wahhabi inspired religious leaders,

because of their noble but mistaken belief that if you live and let live it will return to you in kind by people who are the equivalent of the American religious right on steroids, who by the way have no interest in becoming secular progressive Europeans.

Let's see who still has a secular, free speech, women's rights, gay rights, with true separation of religion from state country in twenty years.

 

[marincounty]

Why do you need to go all the way back to Bush to express your rage over this issue? I guess you forgot about Obama and his tax cuts using borrowed money. Nevermind that we and our children will have to pay it back...plus interest! I love it when liberals pretend to be fiscal conservatives....or Republicans for that matter (truth be told).

https://www.whitehouse.gov/economy/jobs/tax-relief-for-160-million-workers

The only time the budget was close to balanced was under Democrat Clinton.
Democrats are way less irresponsible than Republicans. Democrats believe in tax and spend, Republicans believe in tax cut and still spend. Which do you think will work better in the long run? The big run up in debt started with Reagan, deal with it.

 

[Orignal Earl]

They broke free from the shackles of Christianity only to replace it with the new stronger shackles of the Saudi version of Islam by importing many tens of thousands from some of the most misogynistic, homophobic, anti free speech, anti secular countries along with their Saudi Wahhabi inspired religious leaders,

because of their noble but mistaken belief that if you live and let live it will return to you in kind by people who are the equivalent of the American religious right on steroids, who by the way have no interest in becoming secular progressive Europeans.

Let's see who still has a secular, free speech, women's rights, gay rights, with true separation of religion from state country in twenty years.

Feb. 16 2036...k Got it on the calendar
lol @ them stupid Euros eh...

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Michael Moore? Why should anyone care after the twisted truth debacle that was Fahrenheit 9/11? He has no credibility.

 

[Iron Woode]

I rank Michael Moore right up there with Natural News and Infowars.

citing any of those proves mental illness.