Michael Moores letter to the President

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conjur

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Now, I enjoyed Roger and Me.

I've enjoyed his show on late in the evenings.

But...this was just TOO much.

My own diatribe:

Good morning.

I am writing in response to several of the points in your letter of March 17, 2003 to President Bush.

First, the correct salutation is President Bush, not Governor Bush. Yes, George Bush won the majority of electoral college votes in 2000 and is the rightful President of this country. You may not like it but you will respect the office of the President and the Constitution by which he was elected. Myself, I'm thankful the Supreme Court ended Al Gore's attempts to destroy that same Constitution by his manipulation of the vote counting in the State of Florida in 2000.

Second, "There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM!"

Well, yes, no one is passionate about killing Iraqis. We are a compassionate nation, in general. However, I'd be willing to bet you that if you ask the people of this nation if they'd like to see a Tomahawk up the nether region of Saddam Hussein, you'd get a resounding, HELL YES!

Your rhetoric is hollow and you are approaching a straw-man argument on this point. No one wants to kill Iraqis but Saddam Hussein has left the world with no other option but to remove him by force. Yes, Iraqi soldiers will be killed in the process and probably some civilians, too. But I also can't help but wonder how many of those civilian casualties will occur due to bomb shelters placed in the same buildings as munition plants. Saddam would stoop to any level to make the U.S. look bad in the eyes of the world. Many Iraqi lives will be saved from the torture and repression of the Hussein regime.

Third, "two and a half million jobs lost since you took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing if their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two dollars".

Do you actually believe that all of that is the fault of President Bush? You do realize the tech sector (NASDAQ) tanked after investors finally realized that 'dot coms' were hugely overvalued (eBay at one point had a P/E ratio of over 10,000!!) and started dumping stocks. Many 'dot coms' simply failed due to poor forecasting and business plans and left many investors with huge losses. Then the September 11 attacks occurred and drove the travel industry into the ground. Rental car companies stopped purchasing as many vehicles which hurt companies like Ford, GM, Chrysler, etc. Hotels were less occupied. Airlines had many more empty seats and those that were occupied were at much lower prices than previously. How is any of that the fault of President Bush?

Fourth, "As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is against you, Mr. Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them".

Do NOT count me as part of your wild generalization! And Bill Maher...well...'nuff said about him (<rolling eyes>). The whole world is NOT saying Saddam is more popular than Bush. The whole world knows Saddam is a tyrant who can only be removed by force but no one is willing to take on the risk of removing him from power for fear of reprisals from Muslim extremists. President Bush is willing to take that risk along with Tony Blair and now the Australian prime minister. And, what's this? The French are willing to back us if bio/chem weapons are used? What? Saddam may actually have them? But I thought he said he didn't? If you like Saddam so much, Mr. Moore, I highly recommend you board the next flight to Baghdad and join his personal entourage. He'll have no problem having you tortured the first time you cross his path.

Fifth, "The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you"

The Pope kept his mouth shut for YEARS over the molestation of altar boys by his own priests! I'm to believe that poor old sot now?? I think not. And the Dixie Chicks? Hmmm...apparently your blinders cover your ears, too, Mr. Moore, as radio stations across this great land of ours are boycotting their songs and sponsoring 'Dump Your Dixie Chick CDs' parties with dumpsters.

Sixth, "Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits"

Well, sure! But Chelsea gets to tag along, too!

Lastly, the French. Yeah...the French are thinking only about the best interests of the world here. Chirac doesn't care about the business dealings between Iraq and France: nuclear reactors, huge oil contracts, etc. You're right, there, Mr. Moore. (<rolling eyes>). Wake up! Chirac is about the only one acting out of love for oil, his oil! And with a sizable Muslim population, he's worried about reprisals from extremists because he doesn't have the cojones to protect his own country.

Well, that's about all I have to respond to your knee-jerk, unthinking diatribe.

Have a good day.
 

Kenazo

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. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, guess what -- we don't think so either!

he heee... I like that one.
 

KC5AV

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Originally posted by: Crimzon
Who is this guy anyway?

hrm... nm. I guess browsing through the rest of his webpage answers that.


Think "Bowling for Columbine"... same guy.
 

Moonbeam

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Monday, March 17, 2003

A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War


George W. Bush
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, DC


Dear Governor Bush: (Probably a reference to the fact that Bush lost in Florida as the recount poroved contrary to Mookow's ill informed claim.)

So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the day that "France and the rest of world have to show their cards on the table." (Probably a reference to the fact that Bush doesn't speak the same Engolish as most people) I'm glad to hear that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having survived 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure if I could take much more. (No question he has been lyuing and conniving, that's been reported. We just say the will ask for a vote become won't) So I'm glad to hear that today is Truth Day, 'cause I got a few truths I would like to share with you:

1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. (Obviously a lie. There arte a huge number of young men who won't be in harms way who are anxious for others to go) Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM! Why? 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us! No Iraqi has even threatened to do that. You see, this is how we average Americans think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, then, believe it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works! (He is just saying that Americans are a tremendous people who don't like killing innocent people. Generally that's true)

2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you -- are not fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know what the real issues are that affect our daily lives -- and none of them begin with I or end in Q. Here's what threatens us: two and a half million jobs lost since you took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing if their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two dollars -- the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of this go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve. (Sounds right to me.)

3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is against you, Mr. Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them. (Great point and very true. Maybe that's why this guy bites)

4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? Of course, this is a war you personally won't have to fight. Just like when you went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your place. (Oh man more truth. We have that missing time thing whey Bush was abducted by aliens that's never been explained)

5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, guess what -- we don't think so either! (More truth. What's the problem here)

6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled some royal screw-ups. Yes, some of them can be pretty damn annoying. But have you forgotten we wouldn't even have this country known as America if it weren't for the French? That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for us? That our greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined the concepts that lead to our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution? That it was France who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who built the Chevrolet, and a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? And now they are doing what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth about yourself, straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them for getting it right for once. You know, you really should have traveled more (like once) before you took over. Your ignorance of the world has not only made you look stupid, it has painted you into a corner you can't get out of. (Bush bungled diplomacy bad. Dat true)

Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go through with this war, more than likely it will be over soon because I'm guessing there aren't a lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to protect Saddam Hussein. After you "win" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump in the popularity polls as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like to see a good ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it 's some third world ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the way to next year's election. Of course, that's still a long ways away, so we'll all get to have a good hardy-har-har while we watch the economy sink even further down the toilet! (Rhetoric no? Nobody knows the future)

But, hey, who knows -- maybe you'll find Osama a few days before the election! See, start thinking like THAT! Keep hope alive! Kill Iraqis -- they got our oil!! (And maybe not)

Yours,

Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com
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About all there was there was some fact mixed with some provocative speculation. The truth he presented isn't very comforting for those who whose patriotism is a shallow cover for their own feelings of inferiority, but no big challenge otherwise. It's pretty amazing how much like the three monkeys most people are. See no evil, speak no evil hear no evil. Hehe. No wonder they are monkeys. no?

 

conjur

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moonbeam

First off, thanks for posting his entire article. The link wasn't good enough for most people.
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And, as for facts, the only fact in his article is the quote of the statement by the Pope. The statement that only one Congressperson has a child who has enlisted in the armed services may be true. He doesn't offer any proof for that statement. Well, the French did help us out in the Revolutionary War.
 
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Ahem - I'm sure someone cares what Michael Moore thinks about the war, but I know I don't, and I can't imagine President Bush will ever even see this. I find it ironic that Moore claims President Bush is out of touch with Americans, then goes on to say that, among other things, the American public opposes the war and loves the French.
 

etech

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It's pretty amazing how much like the three monkeys most people are. See no evil, speak no evil hear no evil. Hehe. No wonder they are monkeys. no?

It's funny, according to Moonie unless you agree with Moore you are a monkey that doesn't want to see the truth. It's interesting just how many "monkeys" there are on this board.

Better pull out your magic mirror and take a closer look moonie, you might need to do a lot of shaving.
 

Morph

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I think Moore is pretty much on the money with this letter. To review his points:

1) Few people in this country are "gung-ho to go to war" or "passionate about wanting to kill Iraqis."

Seems about right to me, or at least I hope it would be. Even if you are for this war, it's not something to be gung-ho about.

2) Bush's *weapons of mass destruction* fear propaganda is really just "weapons of mass distraction." He'd rather we not think too much about the jobless rate, crumbled stock market, high price of gas, etc.

You can deny the first part but not the second... these are cold, hard realities.

3) "The whole world is against you, Mr. Bush."

Public opinion throughout the world is strongly against the way Bush is handling this. The only countries where a majority of the people are supporting this action are the US and Israel.

4) and 5) are just plain facts that anyone can verify, including the fact that Dubya ducked out of Vietnam service.

6) 'Stop bashing France just because they have a differing opinion from ours' is what he's saying here, essentially.

I have to agree here. Just what is so bad about what France is doing? Because they believe that a real effort should be made with diplomacy before resorting to violence and mass killing? Because they have the nerve to stick to their opinion and defy big bad USA instead of towing our line like many governments around the world?

As for addressing it to Governor Bush - Well, Bush is President, but not because he was voted in by a majority of people in this country.

PS. Please go here and take a look at pictures of some of the people we'll be dropping bombs on later this week. Provided courtesy of Michael Moore.
 

godmare

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Originally posted by: Zipp
He's an idiot

That sums it up. I could go through all the contradictions in his letter... nah, you all noticed a few I'm sure ;)

I do feel compelled to point out, as has been pointed out, that addressing the President as 'Governor' is highly inappropriate.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: godmare
Originally posted by: Zipp
He's an idiot

That sums it up. I could go through all the contradictions in his letter... nah, you all noticed a few I'm sure ;)

I do feel compelled to point out, as has been pointed out, that addressing the President as 'Governor' is highly inappropriate.

Yeah...I noticed a few. :)

I think Morph might be wearing some of the same blinders, though ;)

And I know Bush has screwed up, isn't the greatest speaker of all-time, should be more diplomatic but, for chrissakes...we are now at war and to disrespect the President like that and to generalize as wildly as Moore did is just reckless.
 
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While Moore is clearly making points in a provocative manner, I agree that there is a lot of room for dissent in whether or not there should be a war in the first place, AND how one has gone justifying waging a pre-emptive war.

I do appreciate the ATOT effect though: about 95% personal attacks to the person, and about 5% actually discussion of the content.

And BTW, conjur, you blast Moonbeam for citing the entire article even though you did the exact same thing? I think you how Moonie an apology.


 

conjur

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Originally posted by: yamahaXS


And BTW, conjur, you blast Moonbeam for citing the entire article even though you did the exact same thing? I think you how Moonie an apology.

uh...no. I quoted portions and wrote my replies below them. Try reading it again, you'll see.
 

Morph

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The funny thing is, I bet many of the people calling him an idiot now are the same people that were moved by his film "Bowling for Columbine", which is basically an exposition against violence and war. But now in your blind patriotism, you've conveniently forgotten the message of that movie.
 

Rob9874

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Liberals HATE Fox News. I think that's hilarious. Everyone has gotten so used to the media's liberal slant, that when a news source has a conservative slant, they bash it. For years, they said we were crazy for thinking the media was liberal. Told us to STFU. Now listen to them whine about Fox News. God forbid someone in the media disagrees with their opinions. Bill Maher has bashed Fox News also.

And Moore quoted Maher. When you bash Fox News, and quote Bill Maher, I have nothing to say to you.
 

tcsenter

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I do appreciate the ATOT effect though: about 95% personal attacks to the person, and about 5% actually discussion of the content.
That's because the content warrants a non-serious response. People tend not to respond to ignorance, or they respond in a like manner. Pose a serious question, you get serious answers. Act like an asshat (which Moore is quite good at), and you'll receive it back.
 
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Originally posted by: tcsenter
I do appreciate the ATOT effect though: about 95% personal attacks to the person, and about 5% actually discussion of the content.
That's because the content warrants a non-serious response. People tend not to respond to ignorance, or they respond in a like manner. Pose a serious question, you get serious answers. Act like an asshat (which Moore is quite good at), and you'll receive it back.


or better yet, just insult anyone you disagree with
 

StageLeft

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Because, I gotta tell ya, having survived 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure if I could take much more.
He sure knows how to start a letter. Word of advice kids: If you're writing somebody a letter - even one meant to insult them and show your distaste for them nothing turns their attention off quicker than insulting them right off the bat
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Of course that letter rightfully falls on deaf ears in the US. Other countries maybe it's more prudent, but in the US support for the war is fairly steady and in the majority.
The whole world is against you, Mr. Bush
He means the world minus 30 countries (too bad Canada isn't in that 30).

I wonder if we'll be reading this same drivel (and not to say the anti-war position is drivel, but this letter is) next month when Saddamn is missing/captured/dead, and the Iraqis are gleefully spray painting over Saddamn's face all over the city.