Michael Moore writes another letter

Gaard

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Dear Members of the U.S. Senate,

Welcome back! The 109th session of Congress has just begun. I'm watching you on C-SPAN right now and you all look so snap-happy and clean-faced. It's like the first day of school all over again, isn't it?

I have a favor to ask of you. Something isn't right with the vote from Ohio. Seems a lot of people didn't get to vote. And those who did, thousands of theirs weren't counted.

Does that seem right to you? I'm just asking. Forget about partisan politics for a moment and ask yourself if there is a more basic right, in a democracy, than the right of the people to vote AND have ALL their votes counted.

Now, I know a lot of you wish this little problem of Ohio would just go away. And many of you who wish this are Democrats. You just want to move on (no pun intended!). I can't say I blame you. It's rough to lose two elections in a row when the first one you actually won and the second one you should have won. And it seems this time around, about 3 million more Americans preferred to continue the war in Iraq and give the rich more tax breaks than those who didn't. No sense living in denial about that.

But something isn't right in Ohio and more than a dozen members of the House of Representatives believe it is worth investigating.

So on Thursday at 1:00pm, Rep. John Conyers of Detroit will rise and object to the vote count in Ohio. According to the laws of this land, he will not be allowed to speak unless at least one of you -- one member of the United States Senate -- agrees to let him have the floor.

A very embarrassing moment during the last session of Congress occurred in the first week when none of you would allow the members of Congress who were black to have the floor to object to the Florida vote count. Remember that? You thought no one would ever notice, didn't you? You certainly lucked out that night when the networks decided not to show how you shut down every single member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

No such luck this year. Everyone now knows about that moment of shame. Thank you? You?re welcome.

But this Thursday, at 1:00pm, you will have a chance to redeem yourself.

Congressman Conyers and a dozen other members of Congress have some serious questions about how the Republican secretary of state in Ohio (who was also the state?s co-chair of Bush?s reelection campaign) conducted the election on November 2. The list of possible offenses of how voters were denied access to the polls and how over a hundred thousand of their votes have yet to be counted is more than worthy of your consideration. It may not change the outcome, but you have a supreme responsibility to make sure that EVERY vote is counted. Who amongst you would disagree with that?

If you would like to read more about the specific charges, I ask that you read these two links: ?Senators Should Object to Ohio Vote? ?by Jesse Jackson and ?Ten Preliminary Reasons Why the Bush Vote Does Not Compute, and Why Congress Must Investigate Rather Than Certify the Electoral College?. I am asking everyone on my mailing list to send you a letter joining me in this call to you to do your job and investigate what happened before you certify the vote.

It only takes one member of the House and one member of the Senate to stop the acceptance of the Electoral College vote and force a legitimate debate and investigation. Do you know why this provision is set in stone in our nation?s laws? I mean, why would we allow just two officials in a body of 535 members to throw a wrench into the works? The law exists because nothing is more sacred than the integrity of the ballot box and if there is ANY possibility of fraud or incompetence, then it MUST be addressed. Because if we don't have the vote, what are we left with?

C'mon Senators! Especially you Democrats. Here is your one shining moment of courage. Will you allow the gavel to come down on our black members of Congress once again? Or will you stand up for their right to object?

We will all be watching.

Yours,

Michael Moore

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Now something will get done. ;)
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Dear Members of the U.S. Senate,

Welcome back! The 109th session of Congress has just begun. I'm watching you on C-SPAN right now and you all look so snap-happy and clean-faced. It's like the first day of school all over again, isn't it?

I have a favor to ask of you. Something isn't right with the vote from Ohio. Seems a lot of people didn't get to vote. And those who did, thousands of theirs weren't counted.

Does that seem right to you? I'm just asking. Forget about partisan politics for a moment and ask yourself if there is a more basic right, in a democracy, than the right of the people to vote AND have ALL their votes counted.

Now, I know a lot of you wish this little problem of Ohio would just go away. And many of you who wish this are Democrats. You just want to move on (no pun intended!). I can't say I blame you. It's rough to lose two elections in a row when the first one you actually won and the second one you should have won. And it seems this time around, about 3 million more Americans preferred to continue the war in Iraq and give the rich more tax breaks than those who didn't. No sense living in denial about that.

But something isn't right in Ohio and more than a dozen members of the House of Representatives believe it is worth investigating.

So on Thursday at 1:00pm, Rep. John Conyers of Detroit will rise and object to the vote count in Ohio. According to the laws of this land, he will not be allowed to speak unless at least one of you -- one member of the United States Senate -- agrees to let him have the floor.

A very embarrassing moment during the last session of Congress occurred in the first week when none of you would allow the members of Congress who were black to have the floor to object to the Florida vote count. Remember that? You thought no one would ever notice, didn't you? You certainly lucked out that night when the networks decided not to show how you shut down every single member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

No such luck this year. Everyone now knows about that moment of shame. Thank you? You?re welcome.

But this Thursday, at 1:00pm, you will have a chance to redeem yourself.

Congressman Conyers and a dozen other members of Congress have some serious questions about how the Republican secretary of state in Ohio (who was also the state?s co-chair of Bush?s reelection campaign) conducted the election on November 2. The list of possible offenses of how voters were denied access to the polls and how over a hundred thousand of their votes have yet to be counted is more than worthy of your consideration. It may not change the outcome, but you have a supreme responsibility to make sure that EVERY vote is counted. Who amongst you would disagree with that?

If you would like to read more about the specific charges, I ask that you read these two links: ?Senators Should Object to Ohio Vote? ?by Jesse Jackson and ?Ten Preliminary Reasons Why the Bush Vote Does Not Compute, and Why Congress Must Investigate Rather Than Certify the Electoral College?. I am asking everyone on my mailing list to send you a letter joining me in this call to you to do your job and investigate what happened before you certify the vote.

It only takes one member of the House and one member of the Senate to stop the acceptance of the Electoral College vote and force a legitimate debate and investigation. Do you know why this provision is set in stone in our nation?s laws? I mean, why would we allow just two officials in a body of 535 members to throw a wrench into the works? The law exists because nothing is more sacred than the integrity of the ballot box and if there is ANY possibility of fraud or incompetence, then it MUST be addressed. Because if we don't have the vote, what are we left with?

C'mon Senators! Especially you Democrats. Here is your one shining moment of courage. Will you allow the gavel to come down on our black members of Congress once again? Or will you stand up for their right to object?

We will all be watching.

Yours,

Michael Moore

***************************

Now something will get done. ;)



Why no mention of voting irregulaties in WA or PA. Oh yea, he is just a partisan hack.

Keep up the good work on making the democratic party look bad mike...
 

ECUHITMAN

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They should look bad if they do nothing about it. And you know what, I don't care which side of the isle you belong to, voting irregularities are bad for a democracy.

Charrison, if there were voting irregularities in WA or PA you should contact your senator and tell him/her about it. Or else you have no room to criticize moore because he only brings up Ohio.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN
They should look bad if they do nothing about it. And you know what, I don't care which side of the isle you belong to, voting irregularities are bad for a democracy.

Charrison, if there were voting irregularities in WA or PA you should contact your senator and tell him/her about it. Or else you have no room to criticize moore because he only brings up Ohio.



Just curious how they are going to explain away 120k vote lead, when there are far bigger issues with an 8 vote lead in WA.
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN
They should look bad if they do nothing about it. And you know what, I don't care which side of the isle you belong to, voting irregularities are bad for a democracy.

Charrison, if there were voting irregularities in WA or PA you should contact your senator and tell him/her about it. Or else you have no room to criticize moore because he only brings up Ohio.



Just curious how they are going to explain away 120k vote lead, when there are far bigger issues with an 8 vote lead in WA.

Just curious, the issue in Ohio is voter fraud. What bigger issues in WA are there?

 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN
They should look bad if they do nothing about it. And you know what, I don't care which side of the isle you belong to, voting irregularities are bad for a democracy.

Charrison, if there were voting irregularities in WA or PA you should contact your senator and tell him/her about it. Or else you have no room to criticize moore because he only brings up Ohio.



Just curious how they are going to explain away 120k vote lead, when there are far bigger issues with an 8 vote lead in WA.

Just curious, the issue in Ohio is voter fraud. What bigger issues in WA are there?



Democrats counting until they get a vote count they like?
3 counts went to republicans, 1 to democrats, democrats declared the winner.

I will get a list of the irrgularites later.
 

yllus

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If a significant amount of Democrats agree that injustice exists in the Ohio count, then they should certainly act. However, Moore's reasoning that they are not doing so because, "[they] just want to move on" is pretty poor in quality. The precedent for dragging out an election was already set in 2000, there was little harm in doing the same in 2004 until irregularities were cleared up in any disputed state.

Of course, the fact that a significant amount of Democrats did not challenge the Ohio results is proof that whatever miscounts did take place weren't fraudular (I believe Kerry's spokespeople said exactly this, though I'm not sure fraudular is a word) and that nothing would really change. There's also the fact that the Democratic party would use more taxpayer money ($1.5 mil and counting) for this lost cause. And finally, that they'd effectively be letting Mr. Moore dictate the actions of the party if they followed up his statement. None of this is in the party's best interests. Better to use this time to formulate effective, clear policy that a majority of the country can agree with and embrace. The country needs a legitimate opponent to the Republicans.
 

CocoMunkee

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN

Just curious, the issue in Ohio is voter fraud. What bigger issues in WA are there?



Democrats counting until they get a vote count they like?
3 counts went to republicans, 1 to democrats, democrats declared the winner.

I will get a list of the irrgularites later.
 

Fern

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Sep 30, 2003
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Maybe I don't get it, but this doesn't seem to make sense

Rep. John Conyers of Detroit will rise and object to the vote count in Ohio. According to the laws of this land, he will not be allowed to speak unless at least one of you -- one member of the United States Senate -- agrees to let him have the floor.

So, it takes just one person who wants to speak/object (Conyers in the this case) and just ONE other Senator to agree to let him speak. So we need just TWO Senators to make this happen?

Then:

A very embarrassing moment during the last session of Congress occurred in the first week when none of you would allow the members (note the use of the plural here) of Congress who were black to have the floor to object to the Florida vote count. Remember that?

Now IIRC the Black Caucas has MORE than TWO Senators. Right? If so, then one member of the BC could have arisen to object to the FL vote, and one of the other members of the BC could have supported that.

What am I missing here?

Thanks,

Fern
 

Centinel

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Surprisingly little comment on the voting irregularities against republicans.....but non stop news about the democratic irregularities

Interesting isnt it?
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Fern
Maybe I don't get it, but this doesn't seem to make sense

Rep. John Conyers of Detroit will rise and object to the vote count in Ohio. According to the laws of this land, he will not be allowed to speak unless at least one of you -- one member of the United States Senate -- agrees to let him have the floor.

So, it takes just one person who wants to speak/object (Conyers in the this case) and just ONE other Senator to agree to let him speak. So we need just TWO Senators to make this happen?

Then:

A very embarrassing moment during the last session of Congress occurred in the first week when none of you would allow the members (note the use of the plural here) of Congress who were black to have the floor to object to the Florida vote count. Remember that?

Now IIRC the Black Caucas has MORE than TWO Senators. Right? If so, then one member of the BC could have arisen to object to the FL vote, and one of the other members of the BC could have supported that.

What am I missing here?

Thanks,

Fern

Possibly that glaring ommission is that no-one felt that the issue was serrious to warrant an embarrassement the first time around.

Clinton by law could no longer hold the office; should the EC be rejected, then their would be no standing president if a problem developed with respect to the Florida counts/acceptance.


This time around, the Dems have alrady embarressed themselvs a second time.
There is an sitting president that can continue even if the EC is challenged.
Conyers would love for it to be tossed to the House, where he can then posture.
And it has been anounced that they now do not want to stop the EC acceptance (no matter what the media makers state) but rather get their objections heard.

It is all about media attention.
Nothing will be done by Congress again and in 08 another problem will occur.