Originally posted by: KenGr
No surprise about Disney getting involved here. This is a sure fire money maker and Moore isn't going to complain about capitalism when it feeds his ego and his bank account.
The cost to make this will be tiny. No actors to pay. Use stock news footage and edit to create the message. No expense required for fact checking. Operating costs to keep the big boy in junk food and you're off to the box office. Market it based on his "documentary" awards. (How many in Hollywood have ever seen a documentary other than Moore's?)
If they can con 100,000 people into buying tickets, this thing is in the black. And if Disney can get political funding, it may make money before it even hits the screens. Striesand might front the whole thing.
Originally posted by: Gaard
Erroneous assumptions do not = solid proof.
When talking about war are assumptions a good thing? Erroneous or not.
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: Gaard
Erroneous assumptions do not = solid proof.
When talking about war are assumptions a good thing? Erroneous or not.
Intelligence assessments are called that for a reason since getting "solid proof" is typically impossible in a totalitarian country when they are hostile to your intentions. Asking for "solid proof" prior to action is asking for paralysis. We don't demand that of our police forces even in the guarantee of our most basic rights under the Bill of Rights.
Originally posted by: Alistar7
We may find that the Iraqi scientist who surrendered in the war was also right about the things he claimed, such as all the WMD were destroyed only months before the war to eliminate the evidence.
Originally posted by: Gaard
Alistar7 - I hope you're kidding. Not about the fact that a scientist testified. But about that being 'solid proof'. He may very well be legit, and is telling the truth...but that isn't even close to being proof. I somehow doubt that this is what Bush was talking about....but if it was, he should've said "We have the word of a former Iraqi scientist", not "We have solid proof".
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Man I can'r wait to see if this materializes. We all know the Bush family helped fianced Hitler right? Was even convicted of it.
Bush Property Seized--Under the Trading with the Enemy Act
[/Hank Williams Jr] It's a family tradition [/Hank Williams Jr]:music:
You're sing off key there boy, but keep trying. Some day you might get the notes right and make some harmony. Right now you are sounding rather shrill.
Was President Bush's great-grandfather a Nazi?
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Man I can'r wait to see if this materializes. We all know the Bush family helped fianced Hitler right? Was even convicted of it.
Bush Property Seized--Under the Trading with the Enemy Act
[/Hank Williams Jr] It's a family tradition [/Hank Williams Jr]:music:
You're sing off key there boy, but keep trying. Some day you might get the notes right and make some harmony. Right now you are sounding rather shrill.
Was President Bush's great-grandfather a Nazi?
AgainOriginally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Alistar7
We may find that the Iraqi scientist who surrendered in the war was also right about the things he claimed, such as all the WMD were destroyed only months before the war to eliminate the evidence.
With all due respect, you keep repeating this claim, but you have yet to back it up. The one article you linked talks about a scientist who hadn't worked in the Iraqi weapons program for many years. He said the weapons were destroyed before he left, i.e., sometime before the mid-90's. That is NOT anywhere close to the "months before" claim you keep throwing up.
To corroborate this, the Iraqi defector who provided Bush's "evidence" about mass quantities of NBC materials (and about the mobile labs) also stated that he had personal knowledge that these materials were destroyed BEFORE he left Iraq. Bush, Powell, & Co. conveniently left this out when they were bullying Congress and the U.N. to go to war.
Every time I pointed this out in other threads, you disappeared. I suspect you misread the article and are too embarrassed to acknowledge it. If it's real, I would truly like to see the article; it would be interesting new information. If not, give it up already.
Originally posted by: LordSegan
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Man I can'r wait to see if this materializes. We all know the Bush family helped fianced Hitler right? Was even convicted of it.
Bush Property Seized--Under the Trading with the Enemy Act
[/Hank Williams Jr] It's a family tradition [/Hank Williams Jr]:music:
You're sing off key there boy, but keep trying. Some day you might get the notes right and make some harmony. Right now you are sounding rather shrill.
Was President Bush's great-grandfather a Nazi?
It is actually true that the Bush family was connected - if indirectly - to Nazi banks and companies. I have seen the entries in the lib. of Congress.
Originally posted by: LordSegan
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Man I can'r wait to see if this materializes. We all know the Bush family helped fianced Hitler right? Was even convicted of it.
Bush Property Seized--Under the Trading with the Enemy Act
[/Hank Williams Jr] It's a family tradition [/Hank Williams Jr]:music:
You're sing off key there boy, but keep trying. Some day you might get the notes right and make some harmony. Right now you are sounding rather shrill.
Was President Bush's great-grandfather a Nazi?
It is actually true that the Bush family was connected - if indirectly - to Nazi banks and companies. I have seen the entries in the lib. of Congress.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Alistar7
We may find that the Iraqi scientist who surrendered in the war was also right about the things he claimed, such as all the WMD were destroyed only months before the war to eliminate the evidence.
With all due respect, you keep repeating this claim, but you have yet to back it up. The one article you linked talks about a scientist who hadn't worked in the Iraqi weapons program for many years. He said the weapons were destroyed before he left, i.e., sometime before the mid-90's. That is NOT anywhere close to the "months before" claim you keep throwing up.
To corroborate this, the Iraqi defector who provided Bush's "evidence" about mass quantities of NBC materials (and about the mobile labs) also stated that he had personal knowledge that these materials were destroyed BEFORE he left Iraq. Bush, Powell, & Co. conveniently left this out when they were bullying Congress and the U.N. to go to war.
Every time I pointed this out in other threads, you disappeared. I suspect you misread the article and are too embarrassed to acknowledge it. If it's real, I would truly like to see the article; it would be interesting new information. If not, give it up already.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
AgainOriginally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Alistar7
We may find that the Iraqi scientist who surrendered in the war was also right about the things he claimed, such as all the WMD were destroyed only months before the war to eliminate the evidence.
With all due respect, you keep repeating this claim, but you have yet to back it up. The one article you linked talks about a scientist who hadn't worked in the Iraqi weapons program for many years. He said the weapons were destroyed before he left, i.e., sometime before the mid-90's. That is NOT anywhere close to the "months before" claim you keep throwing up.
To corroborate this, the Iraqi defector who provided Bush's "evidence" about mass quantities of NBC materials (and about the mobile labs) also stated that he had personal knowledge that these materials were destroyed BEFORE he left Iraq. Bush, Powell, & Co. conveniently left this out when they were bullying Congress and the U.N. to go to war.
Every time I pointed this out in other threads, you disappeared. I suspect you misread the article and are too embarrassed to acknowledge it. If it's real, I would truly like to see the article; it would be interesting new information. If not, give it up already.
Originally posted by: Gaard
Erroneous assumptions do not = solid proof.
When talking about war are assumptions a good thing? Erroneous or not.
You are probably right, but I've never seen a link to this other scientist you keep mentioning. When I raised this question before, you responded twice with a link to the guy who dropped out years before. I heard TV rumors about someone who claimed weapons had been destroyed just before the war, but as far as I could tell, these rumors disappeared without ever being substantiated. I've never seen a published story with any details re. this other scientist; appreciate your help.Originally posted by: Alistar7
you are confusing two people, perhaps that is the problem. The one who surrendered DURING the war led us to buried precursor chemicals. He is the one who claimed they were destroyed only months before the war. He is not the one who was out of the "scientific wing" of the program since 1991, but still involved in the program until the mid 90's, I know who you are speaking about.
As far as I know, he never claimed the labs were destroyed, just the chemical and biological agents. Specifically, the Iraqi defector Bush & Co. quoted so much said he had personal knowledge that those NBC agents were destroyed.I guess the one who gave the testimony about the labs was wrong about their destruction, since we have one we can assume they were not all destroyed. Iraqi programs were higly compartmentalized, nobody knew what the others were doing or the scope and extent of the work, this is consistent in almost all interviews.
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Gaard
Erroneous assumptions do not = solid proof.
When talking about war are assumptions a good thing? Erroneous or not.
the only reason wars are ever fought is erroneous assumptions.
You... don't... read much... do you...Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Man I can'r wait to see if this materializes. We all know the Bush family helped fianced Hitler right? Was even convicted of it.
Bush Property Seized--Under the Trading with the Enemy Act
[/Hank Williams Jr] It's a family tradition [/Hank Williams Jr]:music:
I couldn't even call this an endictment of Prescott Bush, much less G. W. Bush. You're saying that a guy that owned one share of a bank that he was a director in (which doesn't mean squat) and apparently didn't touch the banking side of is a Nazi? If I have to waste my time telling you how flawed that reasoning is, then you won't understand it anyway.`` E. Roland Harriman--3991 shares ''
[chairman and director of Union Banking Corp. (UBC); this is `` Bunny '' Harriman, described by Prescott Bush as a place holder who didn't get much into banking affairs; Prescott managed his personal investments]
`` Prescott S. Bush--1 share ''
[director of UBC, which was co-founded and sponsored by his father-in-law George Walker; senior managing partner for E. Roland Harriman and Averell Harriman]