Michael Moore on Leno right now

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Actually, Moore is NOT an idiot. He has excellent prowess about making movies. F911 was exactly what the country wanted to see, and they voted with their dollars in the box office.

I'm not commenting about the films credibility; that is for you to decide. But I would not call a guy who made a $6 million dollar movie that grossed almost $220 million worldwide (and the #1 DVD this week) an idiot.

He knows that healthcare is another huge issue facing this country, and he knows there is untold amounts of shocking material he can use about pharms...I predict another huge grossing documentary, that will probably appeal to a much wider spread of this country's populus.

No, I would call the people who paid the money idiots.

damn you beat me to it

 

[RU482]

Michael Moore on Leno right now

man, it's been 2 days, somebody should pry Moore off of Leno

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: her209
Bahahah... I'm sure the right doesn't have some wackos of their own.

Hey, there are nuts on both sides of the fence. I'm voting for Bush and I'm not afraid to state that Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell, Michael Savage, and others are extremist wackos that do a disservice to the more moderate members of the right.

elanarchist,
I would classify those people who give these nuts credibility as ignorant or extremist as well.

But hey, that's just my opinion.

But I thought you wanted to be considered intelligent?

I fail to reconcile intelligence with rewarding a leader who lies to you by putting him back in office....

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...2&threadid=1416967

And I fail to understand why people will vote for a man who as a Naval Officer meet the the North Vietmese (sp) in Paris, and who is also considered a war hero to the North Vietemese. Or how about the book he wrote in the early 70's where he and a bunch of his hippie friends made a mockery of the Iwo Jima photo by posing in the same fashion but with the flag upside down! Then there is his voting record for tax increases, how can you with a clear conscience vote for this man.

I dont like either canidate, but with the crap Kerry has done, he is a traitor and will not get my vote.

You are right. We should continue to cut taxes till they no longer exist. You point out one exteme, I'll simply counter with the other. Are tax incresaes sometimes needed?

there wasn't a federal tax until 1901 (thereabouts) ....we existed for over a hundred years without one just fine so i fail to see how you call that extreme....in fact there has been a longer period of this countries history without tax as opposed to with it.....

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech

Originally posted by: brigden

BTW, child, I'm far more conservative than you know. Disliking George Bush and his cronies has nothing to do with my political alignment. Loving George Bush because he's a republican is something a cave-dwelling conservative would do.

Since when did the opinion of a Canadian on U.S. politics start to matter?

Actually, I'm English, and probably far more worldly than you, sweetheart.

guess what....a good number of people here and myself could care less about being "worldly"....the U.S. is currently the world's only superpower (besides *maybe* china) and don't care what brits, frenchies, or middle eastern people think.....if being worldly means getting involved in threads on another countries politics- i'll pass.....

 

[T2T III]

I was wondering when Michael Moore was going to break away from directly following politicians. Now, with him going after the drug manufacturers, he will be doing just that. I just hardly doubt, he'll be able to get the documentary to be played in a movie theater as he was able to do with F! 9-11 - or, even get a good release on DVD. I wonder when the 5th Ave. apartment will be put up for sale - or, when will the kids have to get pulled from private school because the money is getting tight?

 

[udonoogen]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: udonoogen
apparently moore is making another film on pharmaceuticals. what a jerk. these companies help people and he's tearing them down. what next? he's just riding the wave now. i cant wait until he crashes.

Hahahahaha. Jesus, how brainwashed are you? Your comment about pharms show you know jack sh1t about how they operate in this country.

brainwashed indeed.

you realize how much r&d costs? some drugs take tens of years to develop. how are they supposed to recoup those costs or even make a profit if everyone goes to cananda to buy drugs? i took a business ethics course and i have to say that pharms are the most honest of them all. take a look at what merck or jnj have done in the past.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: udonoogen

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: udonoogen
apparently moore is making another film on pharmaceuticals. what a jerk. these companies help people and he's tearing them down. what next? he's just riding the wave now. i cant wait until he crashes.

Hahahahaha. Jesus, how brainwashed are you? Your comment about pharms show you know jack sh1t about how they operate in this country.

brainwashed indeed.

you realize how much r&d costs? some drugs take tens of years to develop. how are they supposed to recoup those costs or even make a profit if everyone goes to cananda to buy drugs? i took a business ethics course and i have to say that pharms are the most honest of them all. take a look at what merck or jnj have done in the past.

You defeat yourself with your own arguments. R&D costs are exactly the reason why pharms don't develop treatments with the public interest in mind; they only develop treatments if there is long term profit to be had.

 

[nakedfrog]

I always hear about these lies in Fahrenheit 9/11, but I've never heard anyone actually tell me what one of them is. I even watched the Fahrenhype 9/11 clips on their website and looked around there, but I can't seem to find anyone doing anything other than saying "He's a big liar." Could someone please point out some of these lies to me?
I've watched it, and it obviously slants against Bush in every way, and may use creative means of portraying information, but please list actual lies for me. Like that page the guy used to have about Bowling for Columbine, something like that would be great.

 

[moshquerade]

Michael Moore's face looks like a baboon's a$s and i have proof

 

[udonoogen]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: udonoogen

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: udonoogen
apparently moore is making another film on pharmaceuticals. what a jerk. these companies help people and he's tearing them down. what next? he's just riding the wave now. i cant wait until he crashes.

Hahahahaha. Jesus, how brainwashed are you? Your comment about pharms show you know jack sh1t about how they operate in this country.

brainwashed indeed.

you realize how much r&d costs? some drugs take tens of years to develop. how are they supposed to recoup those costs or even make a profit if everyone goes to cananda to buy drugs? i took a business ethics course and i have to say that pharms are the most honest of them all. take a look at what merck or jnj have done in the past.

You defeat yourself with your own arguments. R&D costs are exactly the reason why pharms don't develop treatments with the public interest in mind; they only develop treatments if there is long term profit to be had.

look up the merck case with river blindness. google might work.

 

[Gatos]

I am in pharmacy school right now. It is true that pharmaceutical companies make an absolutely huge profit, however, one point I would like to make is this: If the pharmaceutical companies didn't have the money for R and D, who the heck would do research on drug formulation? NO ONE!!! No one else has the money to do it. Importation of drugs from Canada will not work at all!!! This will only freeze companies from making more drugs, because they sell to cananda and what they would end up doing is selling right back to the US for their own profit. It's real messy!! R and D is incredible, what companies have to do to put a drug on the market is very time consuming. Takes about 5-8 years once they have there patents and then they only have the intelectual rights for so many years befor it becomes generic. Michael Moore is movie maker, not a scientist. His movie on Pharm. should be rather interesting.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: udonoogen

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: udonoogen

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: udonoogen
apparently moore is making another film on pharmaceuticals. what a jerk. these companies help people and he's tearing them down. what next? he's just riding the wave now. i cant wait until he crashes.

Hahahahaha. Jesus, how brainwashed are you? Your comment about pharms show you know jack sh1t about how they operate in this country.

brainwashed indeed.

you realize how much r&d costs? some drugs take tens of years to develop. how are they supposed to recoup those costs or even make a profit if everyone goes to cananda to buy drugs? i took a business ethics course and i have to say that pharms are the most honest of them all. take a look at what merck or jnj have done in the past.

You defeat yourself with your own arguments. R&D costs are exactly the reason why pharms don't develop treatments with the public interest in mind; they only develop treatments if there is long term profit to be had.

look up the merck case with river blindness. google might work.

look up their r&d cost % spent. its very low. their marketing costs are atleast twice that. and their profits are pretty damn high to boot.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: ThaPerculator

As an example when he goes to a Canadian town and finds people don't lock their doors. I'm sure if he went to a city like say Toronto he'd find they lock their doors.

You missed the point of that one... he literally jumped the Ambassador Bridge from Detroit to Windsor (less than 5 minutes) and showed how insanely different it was. That's exactly how it is... Detroit looks like a bomb went off in some areas, and you cross a bridge and it's nice as hell. He was just posing the question of why it was like that.

Detroit looks that way because it actually has a considerable number of black people.


Oo man I am gonna be grilled for that one.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: udonoogen

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: udonoogen

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: udonoogen
apparently moore is making another film on pharmaceuticals. what a jerk. these companies help people and he's tearing them down. what next? he's just riding the wave now. i cant wait until he crashes.

Hahahahaha. Jesus, how brainwashed are you? Your comment about pharms show you know jack sh1t about how they operate in this country.

brainwashed indeed.

you realize how much r&d costs? some drugs take tens of years to develop. how are they supposed to recoup those costs or even make a profit if everyone goes to cananda to buy drugs? i took a business ethics course and i have to say that pharms are the most honest of them all. take a look at what merck or jnj have done in the past.

You defeat yourself with your own arguments. R&D costs are exactly the reason why pharms don't develop treatments with the public interest in mind; they only develop treatments if there is long term profit to be had.

look up the merck case with river blindness. google might work.

look up their r&d cost % spent. its very low. their marketing costs are atleast twice that. and their profits are pretty damn high to boot.

What's your point?

 

[udonoogen]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: udonoogen

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: udonoogen

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: udonoogen
apparently moore is making another film on pharmaceuticals. what a jerk. these companies help people and he's tearing them down. what next? he's just riding the wave now. i cant wait until he crashes.

Hahahahaha. Jesus, how brainwashed are you? Your comment about pharms show you know jack sh1t about how they operate in this country.

brainwashed indeed.

you realize how much r&d costs? some drugs take tens of years to develop. how are they supposed to recoup those costs or even make a profit if everyone goes to cananda to buy drugs? i took a business ethics course and i have to say that pharms are the most honest of them all. take a look at what merck or jnj have done in the past.

You defeat yourself with your own arguments. R&D costs are exactly the reason why pharms don't develop treatments with the public interest in mind; they only develop treatments if there is long term profit to be had.

look up the merck case with river blindness. google might work.

look up their r&d cost % spent. its very low. their marketing costs are atleast twice that. and their profits are pretty damn high to boot.

What's your point?

exactly. what is the point of that statement? it would be nice if business were philanthropic and gave away everything they made ... but if pharmaceuticals (which are businesses) did that they wouldn't last very long because people would not invest, scientists wouldn't want to work for them and in the end we'd all die because no drugs were being made.

edit: furthermore, pharm companies like merck and jnj have done a lot for the public in the past, despite being "businesses." they've sacrificed profits for the safety and necessity of some drugs (merck and the river blindness case again) ... because they think it benefits them in the long run.