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tcsenter

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Drowning in nonsense. You hate him so much you don't even realize how offbase your nitpicking is
Hey, that is a great non-response. I just obliterated the credibilty of Moore's entire premise. Nitpicking? lol!

Ok, why don't you give me one of these 'good points' Moore makes that I have sofar missed. Between this thread and at least two others, there is not a point Moore makes in the entire film that I have not already addressed, and discredited, a couple times over. Maybe I missed a few, here's your chance!

What else is left?
 

dmw16

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I think that Michael Moore presented many interesting ideas in his film. On top of that, I don't know where any of you get off saying he is dumb. Just because you disagree with his views doesn't make him stupid. So in his defense...take those NRA membership cards I'm sure a bunch of you have and shove em up your a$$.
-doug

Edit: Ok, the last part was out of line. But I don't think the exchange that was going on was mature in any way. Just single sided.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: dmw16
I think that Michael Moore presented many interesting ideas in his film. On top of that, I don't know where any of you get off saying he is dumb. Just because you disagree with his views doesn't make him stupid. So in his defense...take those NRA membership cards I'm sure a bunch of you have and shove em up your a$$.
-doug

wow, the maturity level of your posts is amazing. i'm glad you can contribute in a positive manner to a spirited discourse.
 

Nemesis77

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Why is it that when BFC came out, there were lots of people here and elsewhere telling how good it is and urging others to go see it. Now that MM publicly criticized US Government, he's suddenly scum of the Earth and his movie sucks as well?
 

tcsenter

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Now that MM publicly criticized US Government, he's suddenly scum of the Earth and his movie sucks as well?
What do you mean "now", as if to mean, recently?

What has Moore recently said about the US Government that he hasn't been saying since Bush took office...and before?
 

Nemesis77

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
What has Moore recently said about the US Government that he hasn't been saying since Bush took office...and before?

Considering that I'm not american, I don't know what opinion does your celebrities hold about the current administration. What I do know that after MM made is Oscars-speech, there has been tons of people calling him scum
 

Tab

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You are godlike!!!

Yes, I honestly felt those words come to my head... Micheal Moore can honestly shuddup, honestly does anyone care to hear his stupid opinion? Someone really needs to ask him. "How does living Saddam in political power in Iraq bring peace and justice to the people of Iraq." Lets see if he can answer that one :D
 

ultimatebob

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Originally posted by: Jehovah
:confused:

He's coming to Unreal Tournament!?

I would hope so! I've been practicing with the lightning gun, and I'm looking forward on scoring a few "Head Shot!" kills on him :)

While you're at it, can you invite Bill Maher and Moonbeam, too? :D
 

tcsenter

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I extend the following invitation:
Ok, why don't you give me one of these 'good points' Moore makes that I have sofar missed. Between this thread and at least two others, there is not a point Moore makes in the entire film that I have not already addressed, and discredited, a couple times over. Maybe I missed a few, here's your chance!

What else is left?
And you respond to that invitation with:
A lot of the discrediting is only happening in your mind man.
Ok, so that was a classic no-show.
 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
I extend the following invitation:
Ok, why don't you give me one of these 'good points' Moore makes that I have sofar missed. Between this thread and at least two others, there is not a point Moore makes in the entire film that I have not already addressed, and discredited, a couple times over. Maybe I missed a few, here's your chance!

What else is left?
And you respond to that invitation with:
A lot of the discrediting is only happening in your mind man.
Ok, so that was a classic no-show.
Bueller?

 

Mani

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: dmw16
I think that Michael Moore presented many interesting ideas in his film. On top of that, I don't know where any of you get off saying he is dumb. Just because you disagree with his views doesn't make him stupid. So in his defense...take those NRA membership cards I'm sure a bunch of you have and shove em up your a$$.
-doug

wow, the maturity level of your posts is amazing. i'm glad you can contribute in a positive manner to a spirited discourse.

I dunno....he didn't say anything worse than the people he is referring to. "Michael Moore is a Dumbass", "Michael Moore is a turd Burglar", "Michael Moore = MICHAEL MOORON H4W H4W", and "Michael Moore is a fat bastard" don't really make for intelligent discussion either.
 

LS20

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"Dear me,

Thank you for signing the waiting list for An Evening with Michael Moore.

The SECL committee is pleased to inform you, that your signature on the waiting list guarantees you one ticket to the event, now to be held in the Gregory Gymnasium Arena at the previously designated time: Monday, April 14th at 7pm. Doors will open at 6pm."
 

tcsenter

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You never addressed the point I already made.
Really? You wrote:

That first question is valid. The second one, I don't really remember that claim. The third: Those two possibilities are not mutually exclusive, and I think the reality of it is they lead into each other in a kind of self-fulfilling way.
I responded directly and completely here:
Really? Which came first? I can tell you roughly when our violent crime rates began to skyrocket - between 1957 and 1967. Check the historical violent crime statistics from the FBI.

Moore attempts to make the case it is white people who, out of some deeply-seeded fear of all these darkies, feel they 'need' guns to protect themselves, that is the 'cult of fear', right? Why, then, is the vast majority of the gun violence minority on minority and not whites killing minorities?

Or are blacks included in this 'cult of fear', too? And if so, who are they afraid of, whites? Then why are blacks, for the most part, killing each other and not whites?
Did you miss that? Must have. You go on to add:
Last, that Lockheed Martin facility is supposedly involved in classified Government projects. Who knows if that's true and/or what they are, but that facility still represents a component of the military industrial complex.
That facility hasn't made weapons or weapons components for 25 years, BEFORE Klebold and Harris were even born. It makes rocket components for communications and television satellites. Are satellites or rockets 'evil' now?

Perhaps you could explain in more precise 'cause and effect' terms how this non-existant 'military industrial complex' caused Harris and Klebold to commit mass-murder? Is Lockheed emitting some 'mind-warping mass murder beam' from a satellite dish, sorta like in the 1988 John Carpenter movie "They Live" starring Roddy Piper?

Is that mind-warping mass murder beam also reaching as far as France, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Canada, and Switzerland, causing mass-murder rampages there, too?

How about all the other school shootings and shooting rampages in the US that are not located anywhere near this devious 'mass murder mind control beam', care to explain those?

Have you made one of these to protect yourself from this mind-warping mass murder beam? I highly recommend it.
But anyway, since you have time to write multi-page hate filled essays on the matter, why don't you respond to the points in the interview:
lol! I didn't ask for a link to an interview, I'm asking you to demonstrate these 'good points' in Columbine, other than 'the US has a gun violence problem', which Moore surely isn't the first to 'discover'.
 

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Michael Moore: I think that there's something in the American psyche, it's almost this kind of right or privilege, this sense of entitlement, to resolve our conflicts with violence. There's an arrogance to that concept if you think about it. To actually have to sit down and talk, to listen, to compromise, that's hard work. To go for the gun, that's the cowardly act. My question is, why do we believe that way and other cultures don't? And I think it's because we do not feel a collective responsibility for each other. And we punish you if you end up as one of the have-nots, instead of embracing or helping you. A country that will still not, to this day, put into law that a child has the right to a doctor: we won't even say that our own children has the right to a doctor. If a group of people won't do that for their own children, what would they do to the children of Iraq? It's why a lot of the world is pretty frightened of us, because they see how we treat each other. "Jeez, if they do that to their own, what will they do to us?"
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The most incredible day for me in the last decade was during the L.A. riots, in 1992. I was in New York, and walking to the Warner Brothers building; it was the day after the riots started to slow down. And there was an announcement in the building that it was closing, and everyone should go home. Manhattan shut down. People were running to the train stations to get to the suburbs. The streets were empty. I walked into a store and the manager had a baseball bat on the counter. I asked him why and he said, "Just in case." I said, "The riots are 3000 miles away, what are you worried about here?" He knew, they all knew, that it could happen anytime, anywhere, because we have refused to deal with the problem. I'm not going to refuse to deal with it. I'm going to talk about it and talk about it, and I want to see change in my lifetime.
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MM: I spoke to him before. And the point is important: by creating a fearful and panicked public, you not only get them to buy things they don't need, you also get them to vote for politicians who have a right wing agenda. Fascism thrives when the people are in a panic, because people are willing to give up their freedoms and liberties, if they believe they're going to live as a result. And so the right wing politician says, "Vote for me and I'll put a 100,000 more cops on the streets. Vote for me and I'll build more bombs. Vote for me and I'll bomb Iraq." That creates this false sense of security.

Also, it's important to keep people ignorant. So as long as you can keep them glued to the TV, as they are today with the sniper story, that's good. That way, they won't watch or read the real news, or know what they should really be frightened of. I'm afraid that we have 40 million people living below the poverty level. Or 40 million adults who cannot read above a fourth grade level, or almost 50 million now who don't have health care. That is something to be afraid of, because that will unravel a society. What do we have to do to get the news to cover that as the main story every night