Seems a weak piece of evidence... it doesnt prove even that MJ showed the kid the porn... The kid could find it just as easily as the police did when they collected it as evidence.
Seems a weak piece of evidence... it doesnt prove even that MJ showed the kid the porn... The kid could find it just as easily as the police did when they collected it as evidence.
In my original post, the death sentence was implied, because while you can't give a child molester the death sentence, it's usually carried out by other inmates. I should have typed "..see them in prison where they die violently at the hands of other prisoners"
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100% wrong. In the criminal court in the US you are innocent until proven guilty. In just about every other situation (including the court of public opinion) you are always guilty until proven innocent. Don't confuse criminal court with any other situation.
Doboji, I think you are purposely ignoring so much information.
(1) He was accused by someone with a witness of molesting a child.
(2) He has previously been accused by others for the same thing.
(3) He publicly admits that he wants to sleep with children in his bed.
Those three alone are sufficient to warrent a criminal trial. Sure he may be innocent - that is for the trial to determine. I don't think there is enough evidence to convict. But that doesn't mean he is truely innocent either.
No No No... I'm sorry... being ACCUSED means absolutely 0. ESPECIALLY when you're as loaded as MJ is. And as for #3... yes it's weird. But it is NOT illegal, and it doesn't necessarily indicate child molestation.
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There is an incredibly biased type of reporting against Michael Jackson coming from certain white, establishment types. Like that vapid, stupid b1tch from Vanity Fair, who practically promotes the idea that Jackson is guilty in every interview she does.
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It's just part of the larger picture. I honestly don't have any idea if MJ is guilty - after viewing the Martin Bashir documentary a couple of years ago, I was persuaded he might just be an emotionally stunted weirdo - but this is a man who has for many years shared his bed with young boys, which is at best strange and troubling behavior.
I found the civil complaint from his 1993 lawsuit (the one he settled for $15M) really interesting. It details a halting, awkward, juvenile "seduction," and frankly I find it very easy to believe that he did these things.
I don't know if he's guilty; I lean toward the hypothesis that he is in fact guilty, but that he molested the right young man. The alleged victim's mother is clearly a shakedown artist, and the kid and his brother have a questionable history of truth-telling. I think he'll likely be acquitted, unless he testifies and comes off horribly (which is also fairly likely IMO).
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I think you know nothing about the criminal court then. An accusation of a crime is sufficient evidence to have a trial. Having enough evidence for a trial is different than having enough evidence to convict. You are correct that this is 0 evidence to convict. However it is plenty of evidence to have a trial.
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Ususally? that's absurd. what percentage of people sent to jail for child sex offences are eventually murdered by other prisoners?
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Well, no offense, but I've tried several molestation cases, and I take it you haven't. Every piece of corroborative circumstantial evidence is quite meaningful in a he-said, she-said case like this one, and once it's raised, it becomes incumbent on the defense to explain it. That will mean putting MJ on the stand, something that is quite likely to turn into a train wreck. Mesereau is in an unenviable position in that respect. It's ultimately MJ's choice to testify or not, but once he gets up there, if he does, this already-strange trial will turn into a complete circus.
I know you're a tool, but that's all.
Even if he didn't touch the kid...
MJ is a 40 year old freakshow who brings desperate, sick, lonely kids into his little world to give them booze and show them pr0n, then pays them millions if they raise a stink. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.
That a teenage boy would be inclined to pick up a porn magazine lying around needs explaining?
Were you working as prosecutor or defence on the molestation cases?
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I believe the alleged victim and his brother have already testified that Michael showed them the pornography. As I said, this is very common grooming behavior in child molestation cases (though, as I said above, I'm not presuming MJ's guilt - he's just too strange for me to have any confidence as to his guilt or innocence).
I have prosecuted and defended molestation cases. Fortunately the ones I've defended involved fairly minor offenders. Among others, I prosecuted what was almost certainly the worst molestation case in the history of the Air Force - the offender committed some acts that are almost unbelievably fiendish, and received life in prison.
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as nice as all this sounds, no one knows if hes innocent or guilty except mj and the boys. i think most people who suspect hes guilty, as do i, couldnt care less what the hell he looks like. i dont look at people who appear freaky and different and thing theyre child molestors. when accusations are made, i look at the evidence.
to try to make sense of why he wouldnt do this, or continues to do that, are useless. hes obviously dealing with some mental issues, so you cant try to understand his choices rationally. the facts are normal adults with pure intentions do not lock their doors and set up motion sensors to detect when someones coming while giving teen boys alcohol and showing them porn(straight porn, of course, as thats what the majority of teen boys like to look at).
also, just as in the kobe case when the girls history was brought up, a persons prior history doenst mean theyre lying. when it was pointed out how "loose" his accuser was, people cried out, and rightfully so, that that doesnt mean she wasnt raped and telling the truth. same for this CHILD. who didnt lie when they were a kid, for whatever reasons? hell, too many adults are bold faced liars these days.
i dont know if hes guilty or not, but all the signs are there. as much as i can make out from what ive been able to stomach on tv, i believe he is.
to try to make sense of why he wouldnt do this, or continues to do that, are useless. hes obviously dealing with some mental issues, so you cant try to understand his choices rationally. the facts are normal adults with pure intentions do not lock their doors and set up motion sensors to detect when someones coming while giving teen boys alcohol and showing them porn(straight porn, of course, as thats what the majority of teen boys like to look at).
also, just as in the kobe case when the girls history was brought up, a persons prior history doenst mean theyre lying. when it was pointed out how "loose" his accuser was, people cried out, and rightfully so, that that doesnt mean she wasnt raped and telling the truth. same for this CHILD. who didnt lie when they were a kid, for whatever reasons? hell, too many adults are bold faced liars these days.
i dont know if hes guilty or not, but all the signs are there. as much as i can make out from what ive been able to stomach on tv, i believe he is.
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