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Michael Jackson case

aidanjm

Lifer
-not sure if this is OT or P&N



Why the Michael Jackson Case Is Falling Apart

By JULIE HILDEN
Tuesday, Mar. 15, 2005


A recent series of setbacks for prosecutors in the Michael Jackson child molestation prosecution may have made the case unwinnable. Cross-examination by Jackson's skilled defense attorney Tom Mesereau has been devastating.

The accuser - like his brother and sister before him - has proven vulnerable to charges that he told different stories at different times. For instance, the accuser admitted that he told a concerned school official that Jackson "did nothing" to him sexually, and he has also admitted lying repeatedly in the "rebuttal video" to Martin Bashir's documentary about Jackson.

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First, the accuser's older sister admitted to filing a false police report - and, more generally, to lying when she thought the circumstances required it. Mesereau asked: "So you'd lie about certain things and tell the truth about certain things, depending on what you are asked, right?" She replied, "Yeah."

So much for any weight that might have been given to her testimony. What might have been corroborative evidence, ended up undermining the prosecution case.

Then the accuser's brother admitted he'd lied in a case involving their father, and couldn't "remember" if he'd been told to lie in the J.C. Penney case. (He also contradicted himself on the stand about the details of an incident in which he says he walked in on Jackson groping his brother, but I think this contradiction is less damaging: Jurors can be forgiving in their assessment of contradictions in a memory of an incident that occurred when the witness was a child, and would have been extremely traumatic if it occurred.)

Most recently, the accuser himself testified - and here, too, Mesereau's cross-examination has been effective. As noted above, all three siblings have been caught in multiple lies during cross-examination.

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And to think, this is supposed to be the STRONG part of the prosecutions case....

Perhaps when the mother testifies, she'll show her kids how to successfully lie and not get caught in it.
 
honestly i think that when he told the school official that jackson "did nothing" doesn't hold much water. He could have been lying because he was scared or something.
 
I said this from day one of the accusations, when I learned that the kid and his family had tried suing JCPenny's over similar circumstances. While I agree that Jacko is Wacko, you can see right thru this lie.
 
Also, from the new york daily news...

Loyola Law School professor Laurie Levenson, who saw the boy's direct examination by District Attorney Tom Sneddon and his early cross-examination last week, noted indications that his key testimony was coached.

The boy was "inarticulate," mumbled and was forgetful until the last 10 minutes of his testimony, when he described the alleged molestation, she said.

"Suddenly he was very polished, very certain, very articulate," said Levenson.

She also said the boy showed no emotion when he detailed the alleged sex abuse but was clearly disturbed when he described how Jackson snubbed him once at Neverland.

"He was not angry at being molested. He was angry at being ditched," Levenson said.

Legal analyst Trent Copeland said yesterday that the boy's demeanor may also be a problem.

"This is the tale of two witnesses. On direct [being questioned by Sneddon], we saw a witness who was charming and cooperative," Copeland said. "Now we're seeing a witness who is uncooperative, petulant, evasive."
 
Originally posted by: xospec1alk
honestly i think that when he told the school official that jackson "did nothing" doesn't hold much water. He could have been lying because he was scared or something.

The whole family gives an impression of a bunch of lying turds.
 
Originally posted by: xospec1alk
Also, from the new york daily news...

Loyola Law School professor Laurie Levenson, who saw the boy's direct examination by District Attorney Tom Sneddon and his early cross-examination last week, noted indications that his key testimony was coached.

The boy was "inarticulate," mumbled and was forgetful until the last 10 minutes of his testimony, when he described the alleged molestation, she said.

"Suddenly he was very polished, very certain, very articulate," said Levenson.

She also said the boy showed no emotion when he detailed the alleged sex abuse but was clearly disturbed when he described how Jackson snubbed him once at Neverland.

"He was not angry at being molested. He was angry at being ditched," Levenson said.

Legal analyst Trent Copeland said yesterday that the boy's demeanor may also be a problem.

"This is the tale of two witnesses. On direct [being questioned by Sneddon], we saw a witness who was charming and cooperative," Copeland said. "Now we're seeing a witness who is uncooperative, petulant, evasive."

Interesting. Is a lawyer able to point out these things to a jury, or is that somehow forbidden to do?
 
Originally posted by: GrumpyMan
Abuse victoms can't admit it to themselves for years, much less a kid to a grown up who is not related.

But, does the fact that his whole family started screaming sexual abuse when they were ALL caught shoplifting in JCPenny's have any weight at all? They're playing the same card with MJ.
 
the freak has admitted on camera that sleeping with boys is a good thing, how much more evidence do you need?
 
Yes the whole family is screwed up, but it doesn't mean that Jackson didn't take advantage of that fact and played a little pocket pool with the kid.
 
Originally posted by: isasir
Originally posted by: xospec1alk
Also, from the new york daily news...

Loyola Law School professor Laurie Levenson, who saw the boy's direct examination by District Attorney Tom Sneddon and his early cross-examination last week, noted indications that his key testimony was coached.

The boy was "inarticulate," mumbled and was forgetful until the last 10 minutes of his testimony, when he described the alleged molestation, she said.

"Suddenly he was very polished, very certain, very articulate," said Levenson.

She also said the boy showed no emotion when he detailed the alleged sex abuse but was clearly disturbed when he described how Jackson snubbed him once at Neverland.

"He was not angry at being molested. He was angry at being ditched," Levenson said.

Legal analyst Trent Copeland said yesterday that the boy's demeanor may also be a problem.

"This is the tale of two witnesses. On direct [being questioned by Sneddon], we saw a witness who was charming and cooperative," Copeland said. "Now we're seeing a witness who is uncooperative, petulant, evasive."

Interesting. Is a lawyer able to point out these things to a jury, or is that somehow forbidden to do?


i hope the jury is smart enough to pick up on these things, but somehow i doubt it, cuz i probably wouldn't have been able to...
 
Originally posted by: Kev
the freak has admitted on camera that sleeping with boys is a good thing, how much more evidence do you need?

There is nothing illegal about sleeping in the same bed with kids. It's weird, but not illegal.
 
Originally posted by: GrumpyMan
Yes the whole family is screwed up, but it doesn't mean that Jackson didn't take advantage of that fact and played a little pocket pool with the kid.

doesn't mean that he did either....
 
Originally posted by: Kev
the freak has admitted on camera that sleeping with boys is a good thing, how much more evidence do you need?

Look - there's no denying that MJ is out of touch with reality; nuts, the question is whether these accusations are true. Based on past incidents that he and his family have been involved in, and the mirad of lies they're getting caught in, what makes you 100% certain that the accusations are true? Being crazy does not automatically make him guilty of the crime.

Personally, I think his family realized that Jacko was off his rocker, and planned to take advantage of the situation as much as possible.
 
^^ exactly. i hate how people confuse a little crazy with guilty. Just because a dude is totally nuts, does not mean hes automatically guilty of whatever hes being accused of.
 
Originally posted by: Kev
the freak has admitted on camera that sleeping with boys is a good thing, how much more evidence do you need?

Well, you need evidence that he actually sexually molested the kid (or kids). Having the kids sleeping in his bed is odd and disturbing, but it isn't illegal, and you can't put him in jail for it.



 
Originally posted by: Reck
jackson maybe innocent after all. still he's a weido...

then again, he might be guilty. but, sloppy prosecution work, and disreputable accusers, might make a guilty verdict a bit more difficult to obtain than everyone was expecting.
 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Kev
the freak has admitted on camera that sleeping with boys is a good thing, how much more evidence do you need?

Well, you need evidence that he actually sexually molested the kid (or kids). Having the kids sleeping in his bed is odd and disturbing, but it isn't illegal, and you can't put him in jail for it.

Seemed like there was a lot more evidence found in his mansion than just the testimony of the kids. I haven't really followed it though
 
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