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In purely open-minded philosophical terms, all points of view here are equally valid.
That being said, it's a non-starter to debate someone else's freedom to support whatever cause they wish to support.
I'm more or less stunned by the hysterical attack on MJF by the knee-jerk far-right and their core cadre of blind supporters. Not because it's any different than a lot of the same cheesy behavior of the knee-jerk far-left, but because it's so UNPRODUCTIVE.
Just by sustaining the debate, Rush and his supporters on this issue debase themselves and look petty.
If you're not so big on government funding of certain (or all) kinds of stem-cell research, then debate the issue. Don't flame the crap out of someone just because they have the audacity to have a viewpoint other than yours and are trying to forward their hopes of an affirmative agenda on the ISSUE.
Argue the issues with facts and well-reasoned opinions, but please acknowledge opponents to have the right to express their own as well.
That being said, it's a non-starter to debate someone else's freedom to support whatever cause they wish to support.
I'm more or less stunned by the hysterical attack on MJF by the knee-jerk far-right and their core cadre of blind supporters. Not because it's any different than a lot of the same cheesy behavior of the knee-jerk far-left, but because it's so UNPRODUCTIVE.
Just by sustaining the debate, Rush and his supporters on this issue debase themselves and look petty.
If you're not so big on government funding of certain (or all) kinds of stem-cell research, then debate the issue. Don't flame the crap out of someone just because they have the audacity to have a viewpoint other than yours and are trying to forward their hopes of an affirmative agenda on the ISSUE.
Argue the issues with facts and well-reasoned opinions, but please acknowledge opponents to have the right to express their own as well.
the funniest thing is Pabster calling the Dem's "Crooks and liars", while defending the Rep's in power now...
pot...kettle?
As for the moron saying "I'll show the untruth's if you tell me why you believe the commercial", does it take you that long to come up with a factual reply? If you think there are 'untruths', let's hear them? Spare us the misinformation that Tony Snow tried to sell, that adult stem cells more more promising than pluripotent stem cells, etc, etc.
The bottom line here is that Bush has hurt his own party on this issue - when every other major R&D capable country in the world is doing this type of research, and we aren't funding any of it. MJF's add is very powerful stuff, which is why Rush and Co are trying to attack it.
Where was Pabster when the Swift boat adds were running? Care to discuss the accuracy of that bs vs. these commercials?
pot...kettle?
As for the moron saying "I'll show the untruth's if you tell me why you believe the commercial", does it take you that long to come up with a factual reply? If you think there are 'untruths', let's hear them? Spare us the misinformation that Tony Snow tried to sell, that adult stem cells more more promising than pluripotent stem cells, etc, etc.
The bottom line here is that Bush has hurt his own party on this issue - when every other major R&D capable country in the world is doing this type of research, and we aren't funding any of it. MJF's add is very powerful stuff, which is why Rush and Co are trying to attack it.
Where was Pabster when the Swift boat adds were running? Care to discuss the accuracy of that bs vs. these commercials?
I wouldn't wish any of the horrible illnesses that stem cell research may cure on anyone, but like MikeO, I'd love to hear from those who spout such opinions once they find themselves or their loved one stricken.
I watched my dad go through 17 years of Parkinson's, I've watched the slow, painful deterioration of two friends with ALS, and I've seen both the emotional and financial devastation in families caring for Alzheimer's victims.
There is no intellectual, legal, moral or ethical justification for blocking competent stem cell research.
Do you always answer a question with a question? Is that all you got?
If your so concerned about the truth, enlighten us or shut up about it already.
The situation:
Corporate lobbyist have purchased the American people's airwaves for a pittance so that they can put on the air filth like Rush Limbaugh who appeals to the very brain dead who can be convinced to buy the garbage produced by these corporations. In order to maintain power this small elite convinced the same brain dead to vote for them while they are milked by appealing to their brain dead fears they were sold by another set of vultures that run the fundamentalist Christian churches.
Corporate lobbyist have purchased the American people's airwaves for a pittance so that they can put on the air filth like Rush Limbaugh who appeals to the very brain dead who can be convinced to buy the garbage produced by these corporations. In order to maintain power this small elite convinced the same brain dead to vote for them while they are milked by appealing to their brain dead fears they were sold by another set of vultures that run the fundamentalist Christian churches.
Truly organized religion is more dangerous then greed. Greed is about owning your life, but organized religion is about owning your soul.
Nah! There are plenty of cells left at Guantanamo for Bush, Cheney and the rest of the neocon criminals.
JEDIYoda
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- Jul 13, 2005
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Actually I will state it again--
That being said ( you needed to read further on before jumping on the bandwagon)there
is a legal and moral and ethical argument for NOT supporting embryonic stem cell research.
I do support non - embryonic stem cell research.
Abortion is legal in the USA.
Organ donation is legal in the USA.
Rather than incinerate aborted embryos at the hospital where the abortion is performed,
have the mother donate the brain stem before incineration...Simple.
Once the neocons see there is money to be made in brain stems, thier tune will change
Big phonies that they are.
...Galvanized
Organ donation is legal in the USA.
Rather than incinerate aborted embryos at the hospital where the abortion is performed,
have the mother donate the brain stem before incineration...Simple.
Once the neocons see there is money to be made in brain stems, thier tune will change
Big phonies that they are.
...Galvanized
Pens1566
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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Abortion is legal in the USA.
Organ donation is legal in the USA.
Rather than incinerate aborted embryos at the hospital where the abortion is preformed,
have the mother donate the brain stem before incineration...Simple.
Once the neocons see there is money to be made in brain stems, thier tune will change
Big phonies that they are.
...Galvanized
:laugh:
Again, I love how people want to control others and force them to suffer if only because they have a faith that blocks them from reason.
I'd never wish an illness on somebody or their family, but I truly believe that those who are against embryonic stem cell research have no empathy and no grounding in what the related illnesses mean.
Furthermore, they spout "we don't know if they can do anything". Well, nobody knew that most of the medical advances in history would do anything either, but they explored, succeeded, and improved society.
I think it is atrocious that we stop research into treatments for these illnesses because people think they are morally bound to make others suffer. If God wants to judge us, then let him do so. But it comes down to the fact that God gave us the ability to look into these matters by allowing us science, brains, and research.
The only thing stopping us is a bunch of fools who interpret a parchment of parables passed down through centuries after being written by scheming men. Great job at being as backwards as a barbarian.
I'd never wish an illness on somebody or their family, but I truly believe that those who are against embryonic stem cell research have no empathy and no grounding in what the related illnesses mean.
Furthermore, they spout "we don't know if they can do anything". Well, nobody knew that most of the medical advances in history would do anything either, but they explored, succeeded, and improved society.
I think it is atrocious that we stop research into treatments for these illnesses because people think they are morally bound to make others suffer. If God wants to judge us, then let him do so. But it comes down to the fact that God gave us the ability to look into these matters by allowing us science, brains, and research.
The only thing stopping us is a bunch of fools who interpret a parchment of parables passed down through centuries after being written by scheming men. Great job at being as backwards as a barbarian.
Personally I think at least a few of them have a stake in the pharma market and don't want to dare upset the gravy train by risking that a cure would be discovered for something (since people wouldn't need all those drugs anymore).
Not all of the crazies, grant you, but there's at least a few phonies would would (and do) gladly sell their so-called "morality" for a buck.
Where have I defended a Republican convicted of a crime? I've spoken out against each one. The latest example being Mark Foley. I have never defended ANY of the crooks. And the fact that you obviously believe they come solely from one side of the aisle makes you look rather silly.
I was right here. It is a shame the search function doesn't work properly.
And for the record, the ludicrous, vicious attacks against John O'Neill and the vast majority of the other Swift Boat vets from the lefties here was ridiculous.
trenchfoot
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BINGO. and typically, the administrations's stance on this issue is for the sole purpose of keeping their base happy whilst gleefully stealing from them and everybody else blind.Originally posted by: Pens1566
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Abortion is legal in the USA.
Organ donation is legal in the USA.
Rather than incinerate aborted embryos at the hospital where the abortion is preformed,
have the mother donate the brain stem before incineration...Simple.
Once the neocons see there is money to be made in brain stems, thier tune will change
Big phonies that they are.
...Galvanized
:laugh:
like the true profiteering bait and switch/con artists they are, as a hedge, the neocons are probably furiously researching stem cell technology right now under our very noses in secret and are waiting for the moment the liberals take over congress and pass legislation supporting same.
they get to blame those godless libs for unleashing hell on earth and then give the libs a back-handed slap of a thank you for allowing them to make obcene profits from that which they preach they abhore. gott'a love 'um. greed knows no bounds.
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