Michael Forest Reinoehl

[sandorski]

I can't help but think that this Shooting is somewhat similar to the first Death in the Kenosha shooting. Both had a person approaching the Shooter in an aggressive manner and the same End.

 

[Jhhnn]

I can't help but think that this Shooting is somewhat similar to the first Death in the Kenosha shooting. Both had a person approaching the Shooter in an aggressive manner and the same End.

Were Reinoehl a right winger like poor, poor Kyle Rittenhouse they'd be putting that spin on it, undoubtedly. Bob can explain-

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[theeedude]

Guy was an idiot. Should have kept his mouth shut, would probably be acquitted.

 

[nickqt]

Were Reinoehl a right winger like poor, poor Kyle Rittenhouse they'd be putting that spin on it, undoubtedly. Bob can explain-

https://www.angryflower.com/selfoffenseCOLOR.jpg

An in-group member being killed is tragic.

Killing someone from the out-group is heroic.

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1304030368450752516

sounds like an execution by the police

 

[KMFJD]

nvm

 

[Moonbeam]

Both are heroes to their respective fringes. Only one Presidential candidate empowers/antagonized those fringes.

There you go again with that both sides bull shit. A liberal brain isn't wired for hero worship. The Democratic preference for Biden is based far far more on the fact that he is that rational choice. Trump is mentally ill and has no business running the country. He is a danger to the whole of civilization, an angry throwback to those whom capitalism forgot. He never even cared about them. Cult worship as we see in the Republican Party is the result of fear of damnation by some authority figure hence the need to worship him like a god. The self loathing it takes to produce a psychotic like Trump means he can only secretly hold in contempt any who profess to like him. Can you imagine how much of a strain on him it is to try to keep all those sycophants faithful, how much he sacrifices to trumped up self importance. He's a power cage and would sacrifice all of his followers for the top spot on the last turd swirling down the toilet. Look at the dead from Covid. Then look to see his lack of remorse.

If Biden tried to become another Trump the Democrats would eat him alive. Please think before you post.

 

[Starbuck1975]

There you go again with that both sides bull shit. A liberal brain isn't wired for hero worship.

I don’t question you believe that

The Democratic preference for Biden is based far far more on the fact that he is that rational choice.

It is based on necessity, he is a rational choice relative to Trump, which is why I voted for him, but he’s not a particularly inspired or good candidate, you’ve said so yourself.

Trump is mentally ill and has no business running the country. He is a danger to the whole of civilization, an angry throwback to those whom capitalism forgot. He never even cared about them. Cult worship as we see in the Republican Party is the result of fear of damnation by some authority figure hence the need to worship him like a god. The self loathing it takes to produce a psychotic like Trump means he can only secretly hold in contempt any who profess to like him. Can you imagine how much of a strain on him it is to try to keep all those sycophants faithful, how much he sacrifices to trumped up self importance. He's a power cage and would sacrifice all of his followers for the top spot on the last turd swirling down the toilet. Look at the dead from Covid. Then look to see his lack of remorse.

ok

If Biden tried to become another Trump the Democrats would eat him alive. Please think before you post.

This thread isn’t about Biden, its about an unhinged individual who murdered a Trump supporter. Please read the thread title before you respond.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don’t question you believe that

It is based on necessity, he is a rational choice relative to Trump, which is why I voted for him, but he’s not a particularly inspired or good candidate, you’ve said so yourself.

ok

This thread isn’t about Biden, its about an unhinged individual who murdered a Trump supporter. Please read the thread title before you respond.

My post was about your casual implication that both sides are animated by hero worship. The fact that you know that I feel Biden was not my favorite should tell you that I and a large number of others who vote liberal and agree with me On that are not voting Biden out of hero worship. I think you implied an equivalency that does not exist.

I think the real reason Biden won was the assessment that he was best positioned to win. That may be valid.

 

[Starbuck1975]

My post was about your casual implication that both sides are animated by hero worship

There was nothing casual about it. Hero worship paved the road for Trump, but I don’t expect you to acknowledge this. Not sure what any of that has to do with this thread.

 

[Moonbeam]

There was nothing casual about it. Hero worship paved the road for Trump, but I don’t expect you to acknowledge this. Not sure what any of that has to do with this thread.

Yes, for Trump it certainly did, but that is very very mainstream on the Republican side and nothing fringe about it. So where is the so called hero worship on the fringe Democratic side? Who is there so called hero? It certainly isn't Biden. If all of the elements of your 'both sides reference' don't seem to make sense and remain sill unexplained, why shouldn't I continue to think you were far to casual in your thinking. And as to why I posted and it's relevance, that is something for me to determine when I post not you. You aren't the first not to see my version of relevance. That you may fail to note your unconscious and unexamined assumptions doesn't mean I do.

Here's something else to consider. You may object to someone challenging your statements because a competitive culture makes people defensive. The result is a detriment to learning, a form of deafness, so to speak. But I could care less about teaching you anything. No prize there for me. I don't have anything to teach but I may be able to help unlearn you. I am dedicated to that you see. `

So your job now should you chose to defend your statement, is to tell me who the democratic side worships and how Trump worship is fringe or find some way to wriggle out of the fact that is what your statement implied.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yes, for Trump it certainly did, but that is very very mainstream on the Republican side and nothing fringe about it. So where is the so called hero worship on the fringe Democratic side? Who is there so called hero? It certainly isn't Biden. If all of the elements of your 'both sides reference' don't seem to make sense and remain sill unexplained, why shouldn't I continue to think you were far to casual in your thinking. And as to why I posted and it's relevance, that is something for me to determine when I post not you. You aren't the first not to see my version of relevance. That you may fail to note your unconscious and unexamined assumptions doesn't mean I do.

Prior to Trump, who have conservatives hero worshipped? Reagan perhaps.

Here's something else to consider. You may object to someone challenging your statements because a competitive culture makes people defensive. The result is a detriment to learning, a form of deafness, so to speak. But I could care less about teaching you anything. No prize there for me. I don't have anything to teach but I may be able to help unlearn you. I am dedicated to that you see.

I appreciate your concern

So your job now should you chose to defend your statement, is to tell me who the democratic side worships and how Trump worship is fringe or find some way to wriggle out of the fact that is what your statement implied.

Nothing to wiggle out of. Kennedy and Clinton (take your pick which ones), arguably Bernie Sanders and AOC, RBG.

You’ve yet to explain how any of this relates to this thread.

 

[Moonbeam]

Prior to Trump, who have conservatives hero worshipped? Reagan perhaps.

I appreciate your concern

Nothing to wiggle out of. Kennedy and Clinton (take your pick which ones), arguably Bernie Sanders and AOC, RBG.

You’ve yet to explain how any of this relates to this thread.

Dear me so it’s going to be wiggle out is it.... The problem is that you don’t seem to hear what you say, or are paying no attention to what you say actually means. You said, ‘Both are hero’s to their respective fringes.” So we are talking here only about Trump or Biden hero worship, not another AOC, Kennedy, or anybody else and furthermore this worship is from the fringes. I already explained to you there is nothing fringe on the Republican side worship of Trump. It is one brain dead titanic unit, and there is no hero worship of Biden on the left from any identifiable fringe. It is either grudging or sympathetic support based on mainstream Democratic ideology or rational utility.

And as I told you, how this relates to this thread is that your casual and inaccurate language creates a false implication of‘bothsidesism’, a nasty mental condition that leads to all manner or mischief and self deception. Can’t have you wandering around in that condition. You’re apt as anything else to walk off a cliff.

Both sides thinking is like libertarianism, an attempt of a frightened mind not to claim, NOT ME, NOT ME MOMMY, DICK AND JANE DID IT. I AM PURE AND INNOCENT. No Bro, you are down here with the rest of us, guilty as shit. You just got unlucky and posted in a thread where there was somebody who drowned in it. Always willing to help baptize a fellow traveler.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Dear me so it’s going to be wiggle out is it.... The problem is that you don’t seem to hear what you say, or are paying no attention to what you say actually means. You said, ‘Both are hero’s to their respective fringes.” So we are talking here only about Trump or Biden hero worship, not another AOC, Kennedy, or anybody else and furthermore this worship is from the fringes. I already explained to you there is nothing fringe on the Republican side worship of Trump. It is one brain dead titanic unit, and there is no hero worship of Biden on the left from any identifiable fringe. It is either grudging or sympathetic support based on mainstream Democratic ideology or rational utility.

Moving the goal posts I see. My original statement was specific to the protest shooters and the respective fringes to which they belong. Militias and anarchists are the violent fringes of each political ideology, both have had a busy year.

And as I told you, how this relates to this thread is that your casual and inaccurate language creates a false implication of‘bothsidesism’, a nasty mental condition that leads to all manner or mischief and self deception. Can’t have you wandering around in that condition. You’re apt as anything else to walk off a cliff.

No, because I see the cliff for what it is. I suppose if I listened to you long enough, you would try to convince me the cliff is really a diving board, but I see right through your clever ruse. Your mistake is that you think bothsiderism is a bad thing, I do not. That’s why I am able to vote for Joe Biden, condemn Trump, denounce militias and condemn anarchists without skipping a beat.

Both sides thinking is like libertarianism, an attempt of a frightened mind not to claim, NOT ME, NOT ME MOMMY, DICK AND JANE DID IT. I AM PURE AND INNOCENT. No Bro, you are down here with the rest of us, guilty as shit. You just got unlucky and posted in a thread where there was somebody who drowned in it. Always willing to help baptize a fellow traveler.

You need to use the drowned corpse as a life raft, I learned to tread water. My MOMMY didn’t let me play with DICK and JANE because their parents were insufferably arrogant. Cousins of yours perhaps?

 

[Moonbeam]

Moving the goal posts I see. My original statement was specific to the protest shooters and the respective fringes to which they belong. Militias and anarchists are the violent fringes of each political ideology, both have had a busy year.

No, because I see the cliff for what it is. I suppose if I listened to you long enough, you would try to convince me the cliff is really a diving board, but I see right through your clever ruse. Your mistake is that you think bothsiderism is a bad thing, I do not. That’s why I am able to vote for Joe Biden, condemn Trump, denounce militias and condemn anarchists without skipping a beat.

You need to use the drowned corpse as a life raft, I learned to tread water. My MOMMY didn’t let me play with DICK and JANE because their parents were insufferably arrogant. Cousins of yours perhaps?

Allow me to apologize for my insufferable arrogance but I simply can’t help but appear that way to those who can’t see their own arrogance of denial and project that on to me when they use general terms Biden and Trump hero worshiper and equate them to Anarchists on the Biden side and Militia groups on the Trump side. As you have failed to admit from the first when I pointed this out, there is phenomenal hero worship on the Militia side and none on the other. That is why you moved the goal posts, claiming I did, when you brought up Kennedy, etc.

You have made a mockery of yourself from the moment I first attempted to bring this to your attention and have gone on now to the point where an honest person would be ashamed of themselves.

There are fringe groups all over the place, but the Anarchistic group you intended here have nothing about them suggesting Biden hero worship. Man up when you get caught trying to pass off the delusions you’ve bought into as reality. Both sides are not equal in hero worship even at the fringes even if both are composed of lunatic fanatics.

There are no Biden supporters or hero worshipers of him who are following anything about him because he is suggesting his goal is to become an authoritarian left wing dictator. An but the other side, a totally different story. The meaning of the lazy thinking you used is contrary to fact. You made a false claim and got called for it and nine out of ten dentists can see that.

Any more arrogance you wish to project: If there is one skill a lifetime around conservatives has taught me it’s how to deal with bullies on their turf. I stand before you supremely confident that your next word on this subject should you chose to pursue will not phase me in the slightest. Having abandoned certainty and the illusion of safety it provided, I can pick it up again as a full blown option whenever I want. I have enjoyed the exchange.

The real issue here since you fail to see it is that you need to see both sides even where both sides fails to materialize. It fits a sacred cow you worship that died in me. Letting go of false perceptions only hurts one time. Hanging on to them is a life of pain. The irony here is that my arrogance is to care more about you than you do. No thanks needed.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Allow me to apologize for my insufferable arrogance but I simply can’t help but appear that way to those who can’t see their own arrogance of denial and project that on to me when they use general terms Biden and Trump hero worshiper and equate them to Anarchists on the Biden side and Militia groups on the Trump side. As you have failed to admit from the first when I pointed this out, there is phenomenal hero worship on the Militia side and none on the other. That is why you moved the goal posts, claiming I did, when you brought up Kennedy, etc.

You have made a mockery of yourself from the moment I first attempted to bring this to your attention and have gone on now to the point where an honest person would be ashamed of themselves.

There are fringe groups all over the place, but the Anarchistic group you intended here have nothing about them suggesting Biden hero worship. Man up when you get caught trying to pass off the delusions you’ve bought into as reality. Both sides are not equal in hero worship even at the fringes even if both are composed of lunatic fanatics.

There are no Biden supporters or hero worshipers of him who are following anything about him because he is suggesting his goal is to become an authoritarian left wing dictator. An but the other side, a totally different story. The meaning of the lazy thinking you used is contrary to fact. You made a false claim and got called for it and nine out of ten dentists can see that.

Any more arrogance you wish to project: If there is one skill a lifetime around conservatives has taught me it’s how to deal with bullies on their turf. I stand before you supremely confident that your next word on this subject should you chose to pursue will not phase me in the slightest. Having abandoned certainty and the illusion of safety it provided, I can pick it up again as a full blown option whenever I want. I have enjoyed the exchange.

The real issue here since you fail to see it is that you need to see both sides even where both sides fails to materialize. It fits a sacred cow you worship that died in me. Letting go of false perceptions only hurts one time. Hanging on to them is a life of pain. The irony here is that my arrogance is to care more about you than you do. No thanks needed.

When you’re done lecturing to the straw people, give me a shout.

 

[Moonbeam]

When you’re done lecturing to the straw people, give me a shout.

First I have to put some flowers around by Biden statue, check the fuses on what I'm calling my Biden cocktails, and prepare to rumble in my Surrey With The Fringe On Top.