Michael Forest Reinoehl

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HurleyBird

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Michael Forest Reinoehl was the alleged shooter and killer of a Patriot Prayer member in Portland a few days back.


He gave an interview with VICE, recorded earlier, but released tonight. At the time, he wasn't under arrest.


Around the same time as the release, police tried to arrest him. Now he's dead.

www.npr.org

Suspect In Fatal Shooting Of Portland Right-Wing Protester Killed By Law Enforcement

Michael Reinoehl's death came as VICE News aired an interview in which he said he shot a Patriot Prayer supporter in what he believed was self-defense.
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I'd like to see the bodycam footage of the arrest attempt.
 
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I was gonna post earlier that something about the initial reports of his demise seemed off, but I thought it best to wait 24-48 hours before speculating. It seems odd that someone who essentially confessed to the media was unprepared to come in cleanly. I think local police even called him a person of interest, not a suspect at first. So why did US Marshals get the call to bring him in vs. local police? Was he actually a fugitive hiding out somewhere? Did he really pull a gun on the Feds?

Time will tell.
 
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The guy sounds like an impulsive hot head, definitely not the sort of person who should be going to protests over divisive issues where there may be physical conflict.

As to his death at the hands of police, I'll reserve judgment on that.
 
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This story is wildly changing by the hour. I've been following some local stuff here in Portland and a lot of people are very confused.
 
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no mention of him firing at the police, sounds like - "We shot at him while he was in the car and then he ran away and then we continued to shoot at him"
 
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KMFJD said:
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no mention of him firing at the police, sounds like - "We shot at him while he was in the car and then he ran away and then we continued to shoot at him"
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If this is an accurate depiction of the incident it sounds like yet another extrajudicial execution by the police.

They better have some good evidence that he posed an immediate threat to the officers and/or the community.
 
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Greenman said:
If he is the shooter, his life matters to me exactly as much as his victims life mattered to him. If the police executed him, they need to face the same charges as anyone else would.
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One day you'll have to explain which people are allowed to shoot other people in your world, and which ones aren't allowed to shoot other people.
 
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I honestly don't see what the problem is here and those who are pretending so are disingenuous.

A masked, armed extremist with bear spray and collapsible Baton goes out looking for a fight and finds one in the form of another extremist, but this one armed with a gun.

If dead shot guy were ANTIFA, the right would be lauding the shooter as a Hero.

I think I will weep zero tears for either tonight.
 
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himkhan said:
I honestly don't see what the problem is here and those who are pretending so are disingenuous.

A masked, armed extremist with bear spray and collapsible Baton goes out looking for a fight and finds one in the form of another extremist, but this one armed with a gun.

If dead shot guy were ANTIFA, the right would be lauding the shooter as a Hero.

I think I will weep zero tears for either tonight.
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Yep, it’s the exact opposite polarity situation as the shooting in Kenosha. In both situations, armed agitators found exactly what they were looking for.
 
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Greenman said:
If he is the shooter, his life matters to me exactly as much as his victims life mattered to him. If the police executed him, they need to face the same charges as anyone else would.
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I would ask you to think about this. What you are saying, what I am hearing, I should say, is that if someone murders somebody else the value of that person's life, the life of the murderer loses the value all people rightfully should have in the eyes of other people in your opinion. But you think this way, I believe, because you believe in personal responsibility and personal guilt, that right actions should be rewarded and evil ones punished. I don't think this is a valid world view because I do not believe there is an unified single person ego or identity that makes up a person. I believe we simply flit from one moment to the next in a series of selves we only perceive to be a single unity. I believe that we are actually sleep walking machines, programs and scripts with who knows what program running in any one instant. In such a state there is no self, no guilty party, no body to blame, nobody who can be tagged as the one who is evil.

A murderer is simply a defective machine, a person with such self loathing that when he projects that self onto others he is compelled to kill them. There is no reason to hate or punish such a person. The only proper reaction I can see is pity, pity that because each of us is also asleep, we can do nothing to change the self destroying systems and culture we have created in our sleep. We are all victims of circumstance and for people who murder they were very bad.

But, even though there is no blame we can lay on others to justify the horror such transgressions of the life of other that murder represents, the only duty we have is to prevent people like that from killing again, and to help them recover which we will not really understand how to do unless we can awaken ourselves. Long ago before there were societies that could build and maintain prisons the death penalty was the sure way to insure against future crime. That is no longer true today. But we still punish and justify it because we lack widespread social wisdom.
 
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Moonbeam said:
I would ask you to think about this. What you are saying, what I am hearing, I should say, is that if someone murders somebody else the value of that person's life, the life of the murderer loses the value all people rightfully should have in the eyes of other people in your opinion. But you think this way, I believe, because you believe in personal responsibility and personal guilt, that right actions should be rewarded and evil ones punished. I don't think this is a valid world view because I do not believe there is an unified single person ego or identity that makes up a person. I believe we simply flit from one moment to the next in a series of selves we only perceive to be a single unity. I believe that we are actually sleep walking machines, programs and scripts with who knows what program running in any one instant. In such a state there is no self, no guilty party, no body to blame, nobody who can be tagged as the one who is evil.

A murderer is simply a defective machine, a person with such self loathing that when he projects that self onto others he is compelled to kill them. There is no reason to hate or punish such a person. The only proper reaction I can see is pity, pity that because each of us is also asleep, we can do nothing to change the self destroying systems and culture we have created in our sleep. We are all victims of circumstance and for people who murder they were very bad.

But, even though there is no blame we can lay on others to justify the horror such transgressions of the life of other that murder represents, the only duty we have is to prevent people like that from killing again, and to help them recover which we will not really understand how to do unless we can awaken ourselves. Long ago before there were societies that could build and maintain prisons the death penalty was the sure way to insure against future crime. That is no longer true today. But we still punish and justify it because we lack widespread social wisdom.
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I agree with most of that. I'm not in favor of the death sentence except in extreme cases where the crime is driven entirely by hate. Lynch a black man for no reason other than his skin color, you die. Murder a child to make a point, you die.
In this particular case, my opinion still stands. A man was executed for his political beliefs. The perpetrator of that crime was so disturbed that he felt it was the proper action. His life has zero value at that point. He needs to spend the rest of his life in prison. That he died in a shootout with the police is simply the end of a story that was never going to have a good ending.
The same holds true for police that kill suspects. When you place a zero value on other lives that same value applies to your own.
 
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Greenman said:
I agree with most of that. I'm not in favor of the death sentence except in extreme cases where the crime is driven entirely by hate. Lynch a black man for no reason other than his skin color, you die. Murder a child to make a point, you die.
In this particular case, my opinion still stands. A man was executed for his political beliefs. The perpetrator of that crime was so disturbed that he felt it was the proper action. His life has zero value at that point. He needs to spend the rest of his life in prison. That he died in a shootout with the police is simply the end of a story that was never going to have a good ending.
The same holds true for police that kill suspects. When you place a zero value on other lives that same value applies to your own.
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I agree which is why I don't want you placing zero value on people who place zero value on others. They found a way to justify what they do. Doing that to them is insufficiently different, in my opinion.
 
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He should have turned himself In. Obviously he Killed someone and that was going to be something Investigated and he was going to be Arrested and Jailed for at least a few hours. So he should have just walked into a Police Station, maybe with some Witnesses/People Recording it and surrendered. He could have even chosen which Police to surrender to.
 
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