Mexico Upset By California Efforts To Legalize Pot

[Ns1]

I think it depend's on how CA implements the law.

We can all buy alchohol, but 'moonshiners' do not proliferate.

CA need only excercise similar requirments to exclude non US source pot from the pot stores. Or only that imported through proper channels. Since it's illegal in Mexico there can be no proper channel there.

As long as CA doesn't go crazy with any taxes on it, there's no good reason to buy 'illegal' pot from some Mexican smuggler on the street corner. Even if CA did put a high tax on it, I think (illegal) Mexican pot coming through illegal channels would take a big hit to demand.

Fern

the reality of it is that quality CA pot will be the same price as shitty mexican pot, so nobody will want shitty mexican pot.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Haha, the Mexicans are telling us that WE have a drug problem? HAHAHA!

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Fuck Mexico.

i think this is the only time i've agreed with u.

 

[Kadarin]

Fuck Mexico.

They just hate themselves.

Wait, no. Actually, they love themselves, a bit too much.

 

[KMFJD]

mexico does not grow MMJ quality pot.

lol just because you cant get the good shit doesn't mean it is not available

 

[Ns1]

lol just because you cant get the good shit doesn't mean it is not available

i'm sorry what?

 

[Argo]

Sure we can. End the "war on drugs", and we'll probably have money left over.

There has been a number of discussions on the subject, basically all boiling down to the fact that ending the war on drugs won't stop the violence. If drugs are no longer profitable - the cartels won't just lay down and say "well, it was nice while it lasted". They'll go into other fields: human trafficking, robberies, kidnapping.

While I'm all for ending the war on drugs - I just don't think it'l solve the mexican problem.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

There has been a number of discussions on the subject, basically all boiling down to the fact that ending the war on drugs won't stop the violence. If drugs are no longer profitable - the cartels won't just lay down and say "well, it was nice while it lasted". They'll go into other fields: human trafficking, robberies, kidnapping.

While I'm all for ending the war on drugs - I just don't think it'l solve the mexican problem.

You don't think they are in those fields already? How do you think most of the immigrants get over here?

 

[Ns1]

If drugs are no longer profitable - the cartels won't just lay down and say "well, it was nice while it lasted". They'll go into other fields: human trafficking, robberies, kidnapping.

Areas not nearly as profitable as drugs and sure to cause a much larger outrage.

 

[nobodyknows]

Why should Mexico get to make all the money off of pot? California has budget problems so they should be entitled to their fair share of the market for "medicinal" pot, shouldn't they??

mexico does not grow MMJ quality pot.

the reality of it is that quality CA pot will be the same price as shitty mexican pot, so nobody will want shitty mexican pot.

My point exactly. California seems to want to set itself up as being the nation's pot supplier.

 

[Ns1]

n/m

 

[nobodyknows]

n/m

lol, ok.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Because Mexico gets a bunch of US Federal $$$ to "fight" drugs on the border.

If we decriminalized/regulated all but the most harmful chemicals (meth, opiates), they would stand to lose a metric shit ton (mST?) of cash.

You mean this?

Much of the funding will never leave the United States. It will go toward the purchase of aircraft, surveillance software, and other goods and services produced by U.S. private defense contractors. While this request includes equipment and training, it does not involve any cash transfers or money to be provided directly to the Government of Mexico or its private contractors.

The US has thus far released $300 million of the $400 million appropriated for Mexico.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9rida_Initiative

$300 million over the course of 2 years since the bill was signed into law, or on average $150 million annually (compared to Mexico's annual 0.5% GDP $4 billion defense budget + whatever the cost of their federal police forces and whatnot) that can only be used on training and equipment and comes with strings attached (oh noes the Mexican soldiers are violating the human rights of the criminals, stop the funding!). Free helicopters are always good though.


I'm not sure what Calderon is doing, I thought he or some other Mexican politicians were considering legalizing marijuana to some extent.

 

[Moonbeam]

There has been a number of discussions on the subject, basically all boiling down to the fact that ending the war on drugs won't stop the violence. If drugs are no longer profitable - the cartels won't just lay down and say "well, it was nice while it lasted". They'll go into other fields: human trafficking, robberies, kidnapping.

While I'm all for ending the war on drugs - I just don't think it'l solve the mexican problem.

We're not here to solve Mexico's problems. Fuck Mexico.

 

[piasabird]

The USA should make it legal to import the POT. Cant wait to see the POT report along with the report on sow bellies. Just go to Mexico and buy your POT and bring it back, or license POT Vendors from Mexico. Just have legal online POT Vendors.

Wonder how many federal laws that would break?

 

[DrPizza]

Of course Mexico is upset. Whether legal or illegal, the drug trade represents a flow of cash into their country. Presumably the drug lords are spending at least some of that money within Mexico. Whether they'll admit it or not, it helps their economy.

 

[LunarRay]

I think it depend's on how CA implements the law.

We can all buy alchohol, but 'moonshiners' do not proliferate.

CA need only excercise similar requirments to exclude non US source pot from the pot stores. Or only that imported through proper channels. Since it's illegal in Mexico there can be no proper channel there.

As long as CA doesn't go crazy with any taxes on it, there's no good reason to buy 'illegal' pot from some Mexican smuggler on the street corner. Even if CA did put a high tax on it, I think (illegal) Mexican pot coming through illegal channels would take a big hit to demand.

Fern

I'm not too sure any 'Pot' from a source outside California could legally enter the state. It is still a Federal crime to deal with so any interstate commerce or any international commerce moving 'Pot' into California would be illegal...
IOW, the issue of Mexican Pot will cause more of an issue than it is today for US interests... I'd think.

 

[LunarRay]

We're not here to solve Mexico's problems. Fuck Mexico.

So you don't support the "One World" notion? :hmm:

Mexico is simply dirt and rocks and stuff ... Mexicans are people and some of them are members of our American Indian tribes... Shouldn't we care about our cousins down south there?

 

[woolfe9999]

I think it depend's on how CA implements the law.

We can all buy alchohol, but 'moonshiners' do not proliferate.

CA need only excercise similar requirments to exclude non US source pot from the pot stores. Or only that imported through proper channels. Since it's illegal in Mexico there can be no proper channel there.

As long as CA doesn't go crazy with any taxes on it, there's no good reason to buy 'illegal' pot from some Mexican smuggler on the street corner. Even if CA did put a high tax on it, I think (illegal) Mexican pot coming through illegal channels would take a big hit to demand.

Fern

Pretty much this. Legalizing the cultivation and sale in California will increase the supply of domestically grown MJ and hence reduce its price. Currently, Mexican pot is significantly cheaper but significantly less potent. With domestic growing legalized, the Mexican stuff will be significantly less potent and no cheaper, possibly more expensive. And with the Mexican stuff, there is transit cost and heightened risk of incursion from federal law enforcement. I don't see much real demand for Mexican weed persisting in California after it is legalized here (assuming it passes.)

I doubt, however, that this will take much of a total bite out of cartel revenues, given that cocaine and heroine are bigger cash cows and given that CA is only 1 state, 1 country.

- wolf

 

[Moonbeam]

So you don't support the "One World" notion? :hmm:

Mexico is simply dirt and rocks and stuff ... Mexicans are people and some of them are members of our American Indian tribes... Shouldn't we care about our cousins down south there?

The way to care for people and the world is to say fuck you when someplace wants to make or keep things that shouldn't be illegal illegal especially for selfish reasons. You have to kick the bad poo poo people in the ass when they try to shit on you and form a big clot so they explode.

 

[LunarRay]

The way to care for people and the world is to say fuck you when someplace wants to make or keep things that shouldn't be illegal illegal especially for selfish reasons. You have to kick the bad poo poo people in the ass when they try to shit on you and form a big clot so they explode.

Greed is the motivator, no doubt... But...

Somewhere I read something about ... '... One nation .. indivisable.. ' but yet we've got this rogue state wanting to make legal what is illegal in the command authority... Since the Constipation indicates that the State ought to abide by Federal Law it would seem to me that Calyfornia seeks to create its own rules... So... I'd think Mexico deals mainly with the US of A and not with Calyfornia... treaties and stuff and such dictate that...
Seems to be a moot point as I view it all...

 

[GoPackGo]

Greed is the motivator, no doubt... But...

Somewhere I read something about ... '... One nation .. indivisable.. ' but yet we've got this rogue state wanting to make legal what is illegal in the command authority... Since the Constipation indicates that the State ought to abide by Federal Law it would seem to me that Calyfornia seeks to create its own rules... So... I'd think Mexico deals mainly with the US of A and not with Calyfornia... treaties and stuff and such dictate that...
Seems to be a moot point as I view it all...

Where in the CONSTITUTION does it grant the Federal Government to make any drug illegal? The last time they did it right they had to pass an amendment to it and see how that failed! That is pretty good precedent that the Federal Government doesn't have that authority.

 

[Darwin333]

We should politely tell Mexico that this relationship isn't working out and keep all our money to spend on stopping drugs and illegals on our side of the border, where we only have to fight ONE president (be he Republican or Democrat) to enforce the law.

Better make sure that Mexico is in a bad enough way that they don't have and can't quickly create a method to sell their oil to someone else first. I am pretty sure most of it comes via pipeline, if that is the case then we are all good.

Then again, the Chinese would love nothing more than to help them build a big ass oil shipping port like SA has but that is a real longshot because it would still take a while to build.

 

[Darwin333]

Greed is the motivator, no doubt... But...

Somewhere I read something about ... '... One nation .. indivisable.. ' but yet we've got this rogue state wanting to make legal what is illegal in the command authority... Since the Constipation indicates that the State ought to abide by Federal Law it would seem to me that Calyfornia seeks to create its own rules... So... I'd think Mexico deals mainly with the US of A and not with Calyfornia... treaties and stuff and such dictate that...
Seems to be a moot point as I view it all...

I recall something like this in it too:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

 

[ericlp]

Pretty soon the US will be smuggling dope to Mexico!