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Mexico doesnt want its citizens back

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Originally posted by: racolvin
Originally posted by: BoomerD

That sure doesn't seem to be the case here.

Nearly every day, there's some major crime or another, with Mexicans arrested and charged. Are they ALL Illegal? Probably not, but a large percentage are. Kahleeforneeya's prisons are FULL of illegals. Some estimates say as many as 50% of the Kahleeforneeya prison population are illegal immigrants.

If those numbers are remotely accurate I can't imagine why CA prison officials aren't saving the taxpayers a pile of money and deporting them. I mean, why should the taxpayers pay to keep them locked up with 3 squares and better healthcare than the folks outside when they're here illegally to start with?

Google is your friend.........

As Investors Business Daily reported in March 2005:

"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."

Citing an Urban Institute study, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies Steven Camorata noted in 2004: "Roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. That's a huge number since illegal aliens only account for about 3 percent of the total population."

Former California Gov. Pete Wilson places the percentage of illegal aliens in U.S. prisons even higher. In 2001, he told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly:

"We had problems related to the costs of educating children who were acknowledged to be in the country illegally, healthcare costs. One in five in our prison population were illegal immigrants who had been convicted of a felony after entering the country illegally."

The Federation for American Immigration Reform also turned to the Justice Department to get statistics on criminal aliens. They report:

"In March 2000, Congress made public Department of Justice statistics showing that, over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones [including 98 homicides, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings].

"In 2001, thanks to a decision by the Supreme Court, the INS was forced to release into our society over 3,000 criminal aliens [who collectively had been convicted of 125 homicides, 387 sex offenses, and 772 assault charges]."

Up to a third of the U.S. federal prison population is composed of non-citizens, according to Federal Bureau of Prisons statistics - but not all non-citizen prison inmates are illegal aliens.

As to the "hard-working" claim, CIS notes: "The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 24.5 percent compared to 16.3 percent for native households."

Investor's Business Daily concurs: "Once [illegals] get here, they are 50 percent more likely to be on welfare than citizens."
 
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: jpeyton
They work hard. We need them here...
...employed in a manner that does not depress wages for working class U.S. citizens.

then you should support laws that forces people to pay illegal immigrants equal wages.
 
Thanx Jmman .... I didn't need to verify his numbers tho, I was assuming they were correct 😉 My question still remains - what's stopping the CA officials from deporting them?
 
Okay lets just put them on a big boat and drop them off on the most southern beach of Peru! If they manage to get back then they can stay here.

Maybe we could send them all to Anchorage Alaska.
 
Private prisons have lobbyists working hard .
Anyone see the excellent documentary "American Drug War"?
It showed how the lobbyists for the private prisons lobbied for harsher drug sentences.
It increased business for them.
I wonder how many illegal alien prisoners in CA are in private prisons?
Why deport them when private companies make money on them? Is this possible?

Link

Link
 
Dare I say if Mexico was a better place to live maybe Mexicans would not come to the United States.

Mexico can go to hell. Why should we care about Mexico? Mexico should stick to the problems in Mexico and solve their own problems. Mexico can not tell the USA or any State how to run things in the USA.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
Dare I say if Mexico was a better place to live maybe Mexicans would not come to the United States.

Mexico can go to hell. Why should we care about Mexico? Mexico should stick to the problems in Mexico and solve their own problems. Mexico can not tell the USA or any State how to run things in the USA.

yes they can by 2042
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Maybe the solution to illegal immigration is to help Mexico build itself up into a first world nation. Even outside of the illegal immigration problem, it seems like it would be within our best interests to have a prosperous country as a neighbor...especially since Mexico has a lot of untapped natural resources.

Corruption + socialism = fail
 
Originally posted by: racolvin
Thanx Jmman .... I didn't need to verify his numbers tho, I was assuming they were correct 😉 My question still remains - what's stopping the CA officials from deporting them?

Because, unfortunately, only the Feds can deport someone. The states have ZERO right to enforce immigration laws. The BushCo administration has fought the states rights to police their borders for years.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: racolvin
Thanx Jmman .... I didn't need to verify his numbers tho, I was assuming they were correct 😉 My question still remains - what's stopping the CA officials from deporting them?

Because, unfortunately, only the Feds can deport someone. The states have ZERO right to enforce immigration laws. The BushCo administration has fought the states rights to police their borders for years.

If I were the CA Attorney General or the Director of Prisons, I don't know that I'd give the Feds a say in the matter. Once I put them on the bus and get them across the border and dump them off the bus, its too late for the Feds to give any of that "juris-my-diction" crap 😉 Let them complain, file a suit and then fight it out in the court of public opinion. If it came to a matter of Federal jurisdiction, I'd buss them all to the nearest Federal prison and drop them off in the yard - let them deal with it.


It would make for a glorious day of newscasts and lawsuits I'm sure. I can just see the headlines:

"CA wants to deport illegals but Feds tell CA Bureau of Prisons to keep housing them in prisons - costing the state of CA $X per day"
 
Originally posted by: racolvin
More from today's news ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409221,00.html

I saw that as well. A quote from the article...

The Mexican Consulate's office in Dallas is seeing increasing numbers of Mexican nationals requesting paperwork to go home for good, especially parents who want to know what documentation they'll need to enroll their children in Mexican schools.


They frickin fill out paperwork to go home??!??!? Why not just show up and demand services!
 
You may remember ICE's oft-laughed at, "Self-Deportation" Program, offered to ~450,000 illegals who were in violation of orders to depart./...they got 8 takers, so the program is being scrapped.

http://www.modbee.com/2085/story/401904.html
"Immigration agency scraps self-deport program
By AMY TAXIN , Associated Press Writer

The federal government will scrap a program for illegal immigrants to turn themselves in for deportation after only eight people volunteered during a nearly three-week trial, an official said Thursday.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement offered the pilot program in five cities, including Chicago, giving illegal immigrants facing court orders to leave the country 90 days to plan their departure and coordinate travel with relatives instead of facing the prospect of being arrested, detained and deported.

ICE will end its "Scheduled Departure" program when the trial period concludes Friday, Jim Hayes, acting director of ICE's detention and removal operations, told The Associated Press.

"The bottom line is it is not effective," Hayes said. "Quite frankly, I think this proves the only method that works is enforcement."

The initiative drew skepticism, even ridicule, from many immigration activists who have criticized ICE's increasing raids on homes and businesses.

Hayes said lack of support from those activists shows they are unwilling to accept any enforcement.

"They want amnesty, they want open borders, and they want a more vulnerable America," he said.

Hayes told the AP that other tactics have proven more effective. ICE has been tracking down so-called immigration "fugitives" by knocking on their doors at home, often during pre-dawn hours.

ICE offered the program to 457,000 illegal immigrants nationwide who have ignored judicial orders to leave the country but have no criminal record. Applicants could sign up at ICE offices in Charlotte, N.C., Chicago, Phoenix, San Diego and Santa Ana.

ICE estimates 30,000 eligible immigrants lived in the five cities where the program was offered.

The eight volunteers included an Estonian man in Phoenix, a Guatemalan man and Indian couple in Chicago, a Salvadoran man in Charlotte, a Mexican woman in San Diego and a Guatemalan man and Lebanese man in Santa Ana, according to ICE.

ICE spent $41,000 to advertise the program. Hayes said the government may have saved money because the cost of detaining the six immigrants who turned themselves in during the program's first week would have been $37,000.

Immigrant advocates said the program had few incentives and failed to consider undocumented immigrants' ties to family in the U.S. They said they worry that ICE will cite the weak turnout as a reason to step up the raids, since it now can say that it made an effort to enforce the law in a way that was less disruptive to illegal immigrants and their families.

"My hope is it isn't going to empower them or fuel their enforcement even further," immigration lawyer Lisa Ramirez said Thursday.

ICE said it hatched the plan to quell criticism of the surge in immigration raids. One supporter of tougher enforcement said the low turnout will help insulate the agency from some of that criticism.

"It was calling their bluff," said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

The program was criticized for offering little incentive for illegal immigrants to step forward since they would be barred from returning to the United States for as long as a decade.

And while ICE has increased arrests of illegal immigrants who fail to heed court orders to depart, several immigrants said many people feel they have a decent chance of sticking it out here longer than the government would give them if they came forward.

"Why are they going to go back to their country and pay someone to bring them over here again?" asked Rigoberto Moreno, 46, who entered the country illegally from Mexico as a teenager in the 1970s and has since become a U.S. citizen."


Enforcement is the ONLY tool that is going to work, BUT, they not only have to go after the illegal immigrants, they have to go after the employers who hire them. HEAVY fines and jail time for hiring illegals, perhaps even "harboring fugitives" since many have already been ordered to leave...
 
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Illegal immigrants commit crimes at rates no higher than the U.S. citizenry.

Get...over...it.

But they shouldnt be here....so even if they committed half the crime its too much.
 
The only good illegal alien is a deported one.

You gotta give them credit though,they have this country bending over backwards for them.They are taking full advantage of the Pussafication of the United States.

 
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: lightstar
we need a huge wall on the border like the great wall of china patrolled 24/7 by guards and dogs

You know, it should say something to your wall supporters that the best example you can come up with is a wall built hundreds of years ago that didn't really work all that well to begin with.

There are tons of modern border disputes around the world, with many countries who would like to prevent people from crossing one way or the other...so surely someone MUST have built a similar wall for a similar purpose. And if not, doesn't that say something?

Link

^ There's one I've personally seen.

And I've seen others as well. They do exist.

Fern

To follow up on that, Wiki link

 
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Maybe the solution to illegal immigration is to help Mexico build itself up into a first world nation. Even outside of the illegal immigration problem, it seems like it would be within our best interests to have a prosperous country as a neighbor...especially since Mexico has a lot of untapped natural resources.

Corruption + socialism = fail

Corruption + *.* = fail

Mexico needs a full blown revolutionary war if it's ever going to become "not a shithole of a country that people want to leave."
 
Originally posted by: andy04
Originally posted by: piasabird
Dare I say if Mexico was a better place to live maybe Mexicans would not come to the United States.

Mexico can go to hell. Why should we care about Mexico? Mexico should stick to the problems in Mexico and solve their own problems. Mexico can not tell the USA or any State how to run things in the USA.

yes they can by 2042

Brown people really scare you don't they.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: lightstar
we need a huge wall on the border like the great wall of china patrolled 24/7 by guards and dogs

You know, it should say something to your wall supporters that the best example you can come up with is a wall built hundreds of years ago that didn't really work all that well to begin with.

There are tons of modern border disputes around the world, with many countries who would like to prevent people from crossing one way or the other...so surely someone MUST have built a similar wall for a similar purpose. And if not, doesn't that say something?

The wall that Israeli built between it and the West Bank areas seems to be working fairly well in cutting down the number of illegal crossings.
 
Originally posted by: Brovane
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: lightstar
we need a huge wall on the border like the great wall of china patrolled 24/7 by guards and dogs

You know, it should say something to your wall supporters that the best example you can come up with is a wall built hundreds of years ago that didn't really work all that well to begin with.

There are tons of modern border disputes around the world, with many countries who would like to prevent people from crossing one way or the other...so surely someone MUST have built a similar wall for a similar purpose. And if not, doesn't that say something?

The wall that Israeli built between it and the West Bank areas seems to be working fairly well in cutting down the number of illegal crossings.

The wall built in Northern Ireland is working quite well also.
 
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