Mexican shot dead while throwing rocks at Border guards

Narmer

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Mexico wants us to investigate. Not much to investigate. Illegals came across the border, ran back when border agents showed up and attacked the agents. One of them was taken care of. I hope they use more firearms from now on to repel the horde.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/08/texas.border.patrol.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1

Mexico asks for probe into teen's shooting death by U.S. border agent
By Arthur Brice, CNN

(CNN) -- The Mexican government is requesting a quick and transparent investigation into the fatal shooting by a U.S. Border Patrol agent of a Mexican teen in Ciudad Juarez on Monday night, the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday.

The teen was shot during a rock-throwing incident, Mexican and U.S. officials said.

Mexico "reiterates that the use of firearms to repel a rock attack represents a disproportionate use of force, particularly coming from authorities who receive specialized training on the matter," the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday in a news release.

The teen's death was the second at the hands of U.S. border authorities in less than two weeks.

Monday night's incident started around 6:30 p.m. when Customs and Border Protection Border Patrol agents responded to a report of a group of suspected illegal immigrants being smuggled into the United States near the Paso del Norte port of entry, FBI Special Agent Andrea Simmons said.

A suspect identified as Oscar Ivan Pineda Ayala was initially detained on the Rio Grande levy, said the FBI, which is leading the investigation.

"Another agent arrived on his bicycle along the cement apron that forms the riverbank on the U.S. side," Simmons said in a release. "That agent detained a second subject, Augustin Alcaraz Reyes, but other subjects ran into Mexico and began to throw rocks at the agent.

"This agent, who had the second subject detained on the ground, gave verbal commands to the remaining subjects to stop and retreat," Simmons said. "However, the subjects surrounded the agent and continued to throw rocks at him. The agent then fired his service weapon several times, striking one subject who later died."

Simmons told CNN earlier that she did not know whether the person who was shot was on the Mexican or U.S. side of the border, but that the agent never left U.S. territory.

The body was found on the Mexican side of the border, Simmons said.

Ciudad Juarez spokesman Sergio Belmonte identified the dead 14-year-old boy as secondary student Sergio Adrian Hernandez Huereca.

Belmonte said Hernandez was shot in the head.

"The young man was not armed," Belmonte said. "He did not have the physical size to threaten anyone. The aggression (by the U.S. agent) is evident."

The shooting occurred underneath the Black Bridge, a railroad span that connects the two countries, the Mexican official said.

The FBI said the "area where this incident occurred is a known high-risk crime area where rocks are regularly thrown at Border Patrol agents and where other assaults have been reported."

The FBI, which has jurisdiction in any assault on a federal officer, is leading the U.S. investigation with assistance from the El Paso Police Department, the Border Patrol and other federal agencies, Simmons said.

The shooting comes less than two weeks after the May 31 death of a Mexican illegal immigrant who had been detained three days earlier by border agents in California.

San Diego police, who are investigating the death of Anastasio Hernandez, said he was beaten with a baton and shot with a stun gun after he became combative. California medical officials ruled his death a homicide.

The investigation in that case continues.

Mexican officials complained Tuesday that they see an increasing trend.

"The growing frequency of this type of event reflects a worrisome increment in the use of excessive force on the part of some border authorities," the Foreign Ministry said.

According to the ministry, the number of Mexicans who have been killed or wounded by U.S. border authorities has increased from five in 2008 to 12 in 2009 and 17 so far this year.

Mark Qualia, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection, said he could not comment because he does not know where the Mexican government obtained its statistics.

But Qualia noted there were 799 assaults on border agents from October 1, 2009, through May 31. There were 745 assaults for the same time period in 2007-08 and 658 for the same span in 2008-09, he said.

Lethal force, he said, is allowed "when an agent is in imminent threat of physical or bodily harm which could cause death or injury or in protection of an innocent third party."

The determination when to use lethal force, Qualia said, is made by each individual agent at the scene.

From October 1 through May 31, he said, Custom and Border Protection agents have used their firearms 31 times.

Rock-throwing can be considered a dangerous assault, Qualia said: "They're not chunking pebbles."
 
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fallout man

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When is America going to stand up to this constant aggression? Will we idly sit on our hands while falling rocks are endangering the lives of thousands of Americans?

I propose: "Operation Cast Pinata."
 

DucatiMonster696

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When is America going to stand up to this constant aggression? Will we idly sit on our hands while falling rocks are endangering the lives of thousands of Americans?

I propose: "Operation Cast Pinata."

Do us all a favor and give up your US citizenship a move to Mexico. I am pretty sure they'll treat you better.
 

nageov3t

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surely world opinion will turn on the US and demand that they take down their illegal border with Mexico.
 

Schadenfroh

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But Qualia noted there were 799 assaults on border agents from October 1, 2009, through May 31. There were 745 assaults for the same time period in 2007-08 and 658 for the same span in 2008-09, he said.

According to the ministry, the number of Mexicans who have been killed or wounded by U.S. border authorities has increased from five in 2008 to 12 in 2009 and 17 so far this year.
I am surprised that there are not MORE fatalities...
"The young man was not armed," Belmonte said. "He did not have the physical size to threaten anyone. The aggression (by the U.S. agent) is evident."
Perhaps the Mexican government should secure their border to prevent their citizens from accidentally crossing the border and mistakenly throwing blunt objects at armed troopers.
 

Patranus

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Maybe if this becomes common place fewer and fewer people will try and ILLEGALLY enter the United States.
 

lothar

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Where is the international condemnation for this criminal act?
The UN and Mexico should demand an investigation for this Massacre.
 

flavio

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Shooting from one country into another and killing a 14yr old doesn't seem as clear cut as some want it to be.
 

Freshgeardude

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DISPROPORTIONAL ATTACK!!!

Where is the UN investigation and the world condemnation?

The US deserves sanctions for its actions
 

EndGame

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DISPROPORTIONAL ATTACK!!!

Where is the UN investigation and the world condemnation?

The US deserves sanctions for its actions

Yes, the Mexican military should prepare for a full scale invasion of the U.S...........oh, wait, they already have.........
 

thegimp03

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DISPROPORTIONAL ATTACK!!!

Where is the UN investigation and the world condemnation?

The US deserves sanctions for its actions

rofl. I hope you're joking. My sarcasm meter is a bit dead right now after spending 4 days in Vegas for a bachelor party.
 

Freshgeardude

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rofl. I hope you're joking. My sarcasm meter is a bit dead right now after spending 4 days in Vegas for a bachelor party.


my sarcasm meter is off the scale ofcourse.

im just mocking leftist idiots that would call for all of that if US was replaced with Israel and mexican was replaced with Palestinian
 

Red Dawn

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my sarcasm meter is off the scale ofcourse.

im just mocking leftist idiots that would call for all of that if US was replaced with Israel and mexican was replaced with Palestinian
So your being sarcastic by emulating that Douchebag IHatePeople?
 

thegimp03

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my sarcasm meter is off the scale ofcourse.

im just mocking leftist idiots that would call for all of that if US was replaced with Israel and mexican was replaced with Palestinian

Haha, ok.

From the article..."The teen's death was the second at the hands of U.S. border authorities in less than two weeks."

Looks like he didn't know one of his amigos was killed doing the same thing.
 

flavio

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my sarcasm meter is off the scale ofcourse.

im just mocking leftist idiots that would call for all of that if US was replaced with Israel and mexican was replaced with Palestinian

Oh a straw man argument! A mainstay of rightist idiots.

Let's replace that with Mexico attacking humanitarian ship headed for the US.