Mexican gang dumps 5 human heads in bar

[5150Joker]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060907/od_...0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3NW1oMDRpBHNlYwM3NTc-

Apparently a gang in Mexico killed 5 males and then dumped their heads on the floor of a bar. Mexico is having trouble controlling the gangs that are engaged in drug trafficking there so one has to wonder, with the rampant influx of illegal Mexicans flowing across the border into the US (and with Bush supporting them) how long until our law enforcement is powerless against these thugs here and our cities become completley overwhelmed? The biggest terrorist threat to Americans safety is the rampant illegal crossing of thugs from the Mexican border into the US.

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WARNING: graphic pictures of this incident: http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2006/september/ogrish-dot-com-trophy-heads.jpg

 

[Rainsford]

Because clearly we can judge the quality of Mexican immigrants in general by picking the worst possible examples of a few individuals who, in fact, are in Mexico. I really have to say, I'd admire the calm and rational way people are approaching this issue :roll:

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Because clearly we can judge the quality of Mexican immigrants in general by picking the worst possible examples of a few individuals who, in fact, are in Mexico. I really have to say, I'd admire the calm and rational way people are approaching this issue :roll:

Just look at your average neighborhood that has been overrun with violent and often illegal Mexican immigrant families as proof if this doesn't convince you. If that isn't enough, look up the number of gang related crimes in California alone that are commited by Mexican gangs or the rampant population of Mexicans in prison. I guess people like you will never be convinced of the threat of illegals crossing the border into the US until the Aztlan movement succeeds here.

P.S. Video

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Because clearly we can judge the quality of Mexican immigrants in general by picking the worst possible examples of a few individuals who, in fact, are in Mexico. I really have to say, I'd admire the calm and rational way people are approaching this issue :roll:

Just look at your average neighborhood that has been overrun with violent and often illegal Mexican immigrant families as proof if this doesn't convince you. If that isn't enough, look up the number of gang related crimes in California alone that are commited by Mexican gangs or the rampant population of Mexicans in prison. I guess people like you will never be convinced of the threat of illegals crossing the border into the US until the Aztlan movement succeeds here.

P.S. Video

That's a poverty problem, not a racial one...

Seriously, you guys need to calm the hell down. I never said it wasn't a problem or that it didn't need to be dealt with, but you guys have totally lost perspective here. It's like modern Americans are too stupid to deal with problems without treating everything like some earth shattering problem that will destroy our country.

Edit: Also, what the hell was that a video of? Looks like some guy attacked some other guy and got his ass beat with a sign as a result. Oh, and some hysterical sounding dumbass screaming "POLICE!".

 

[Darthvoy]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Because clearly we can judge the quality of Mexican immigrants in general by picking the worst possible examples of a few individuals who, in fact, are in Mexico. I really have to say, I'd admire the calm and rational way people are approaching this issue :roll:

Just look at your average neighborhood that has been overrun with violent and often illegal Mexican immigrant families as proof if this doesn't convince you. If that isn't enough, look up the number of gang related crimes in California alone that are commited by Mexican gangs or the rampant population of Mexicans in prison. I guess people like you will never be convinced of the threat of illegals crossing the border into the US until the Aztlan movement succeeds here.

P.S. Video

The truth is every group of people has its own set of nutty people. For example, white supremacist pretty much believe this world is for the "white" man only, but that does not mean we should group every white person into that category either. Not to mention that "whites" have their own share of bad neighboorhoods. Just go to some of the south and southwestern states of this country and see some of the trailer parks, not very much different from the ones in LA; the major problem being, as Rainsford mentioned, is poverty.

 

[BarneyFife]

Why is poverty the excuse when you can go to many small poor villages in Europe/Asia where they don't burn each others house down and shoot each other like they do in some of the major us cities. Poverty is such a cop-out.

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Why is poverty the excuse when you can go to many small poor villages in Europe/Asia where they don't burn each others house down and shoot each other like they do in some of the major us cities. Poverty is such a cop-out.

Small villiage: mathematically less % chance of Anything happening. If thers a million people in a city, then if 1% are bad guys it'll be 1 thousand criminals..

 

[straightalker]

Very appropriate news to post on the P&N forum. This article highlights what is in my opinion and those of many others, a huge rapidly growing escalation in violence and corruption related directly to the drug trade going on back and forth across the USA=Mexico border.

Just using basic logic some things around the world can easily become suspect as being tied into this. Record huge heroine production in Afghanistan. Triple the heroine on USA streets today as a result. Logic points to that dope being brought in mainly across the USA=Mexican border. The entire Mexican Government has been corrupt as hell for decades and drug running there is what props up that Nation's entire economy and is what keeps it from collapsing.

My main concern is for the lives of our honest and loyal American law enforcement personel who are on the front lines getting shot to pieces by ever increasingly powerful weapons held by highly organized "armies" of gangbangers on both sides of the border. Pretty soon these border towns will become a no-man's land just like parts of L.A. where the actual redistribution of the largest shipments from mexico of Afghan heroine and South American cocaine occur.

Good cops everywhere are getting shotup while the badcops are bribed and becoming the participants in the global drug trade.

Gangland turf wars in Mexico and chopped off heads tossed into nightclubs by guys shooting alarm shots through the ceiling could easily move to a nightclun near you ANYWHERE in the USA in the next few years.

 

[Jaskalas]

Southwest US is to Palestine as Mexico is to Lebanon and Venezuela is to Iran.

We ?stole their land? by their own words and they?ve come back by the tens of millions to reclaim it.

Gangs are a horrible problem down here, but you haven?t seen bloodshed until the day they learn to militarize.

 

[babylon5]

America in general is addicted to cheap labors, especially business owners. They persuade our government to keep our border open, they like it the way it is.

These business owners make enough off cheap Mexican labor to live in rich neighborhood, far away from our violent border, far from crowded school to care.

We have cheap labors, but we also have to pay for the 'small' percentage of Mexican shaved head gangs terrorizing the street, and pay for their jail time and crime. Is it reallly worth it just so we get a few cents off vegetables or your contractor's bill?

Maybe most Americans need to experience the Mexican kind of violence like this beheading in their own neighborhood in order to wake up.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Well its a fact that they've been crossing the border and raping American women and not just in border towns. Just wait a little longer and you to can experience some of the violence in your community.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Southwest US is to Palestine as Mexico is to Lebanon and Venezuela is to Iran.

Huh?

We ?stole their land? by their own words and they?ve come back by the tens of millions to reclaim it.

I'm not that versed in US history, but according to radio interview with Pat Buchanan there weren't that many Mexicans around, and in also that the Mexican government offered to sell chunks of land, which the US didn't buy (just listen to the interview).

Gangs are a horrible problem down here, but you haven?t seen bloodshed until the day they learn to militarize.

Buchanan also mentions the use of RPG around the border, but it's interesting to see that you are willing to wait for them to militarize.
Also, how about flying the Mexican flag at a US post office? Do you really want people around you who don't even bother to become part of the society in which they live in?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Darthvoy
Just go to some of the south and southwestern states of this country and see some of the trailer parks, not very much different from the ones in LA; the major problem being, as Rainsford mentioned, is poverty.

Only that the minor difference is that ones are citizens, while the others broke the law when they entered illegally.

There's enough BS going around by people whitewashing illegal immigration, saying that it is not against the law, and that there is no such thing as an illegal immigrant, but to start providing social services -- that's just over the top.

 

[Red Dawn]

MS13, an El Salvadorian based gang, is much more of a problem than the Mexican Gangs in the US. Fortunately, well for Americans, as of now just like the vast majority of mexican gangs their victims tend to be other Hispanics.

 

[Thump553]

MS13 originated in LA, and was exported back to El Salvador through deportations and flourished there-before coming back. MS13, like any other gang crime, should be addressed through incarceration, not a free flight out.

Aren't there study after study that show immigrants (illegal or not) tend to be far more law abiding residents than the general population (excluding the nonviolent immigration law violations, obviously). I'm getting a bit tired of the neo-cons's efforts to create boogey men out of these people.

If we really wanted to address this problem, creating a super-Berlin Wall is not the solution. Slamming employers who hire illegals with real penalties, including jail time, is. Until such employers no longer see it in their self interest to hire illegals the problem will remain, no matter how many billions of dollars we pour down this new rat hole.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Because clearly we can judge the quality of Mexican immigrants in general by picking the worst possible examples of a few individuals who, in fact, are in Mexico. I really have to say, I'd admire the calm and rational way people are approaching this issue :roll:

My coworkers grandmother (74 yo btw) was sexually assaulted and murdered by an illegal immigrant. And near where i live there have been two high profile cases of drunk driving illegals (who have been arrested numerous times) killing someone with thier car. Right now in my area the number of serious crimes by illegals is outpacing that of the regular trash that does these things.

 

[Pabster]

Yep. Look for it to get worse before it gets better.

Mexico's new President is already looking to export more of his poverty.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Why is poverty the excuse when you can go to many small poor villages in Europe/Asia where they don't burn each others house down and shoot each other like they do in some of the major us cities. Poverty is such a cop-out.

Small villiage: mathematically less % chance of Anything happening. If thers a million people in a city, then if 1% are bad guys it'll be 1 thousand criminals..

The crime rate is much higher in Detroit than say Sofia, Bulgaria so their goes your theory out the window.

 

[ModerateRepZero]

reminds me of what my spanish teacher said about cuba once....
When Jimmy Carter was president, he offered to allow Cubans to
come to the US. Castro took advantage of Carter's generosity and
opened the prisons, allowing them to immigrate to the US. Small surprise
that in some communities (ie Miami?), there's crime caused by Cuban ex-cons.

It's true that you can't take a few bad apples as representative of a
general group, but joker said, The biggest terrorist threat to Americans safety is the rampant illegal crossing of thugs from the Mexican border into the US.
He didn't say all illegal mexicans.

 

[straightalker]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Because clearly we can judge the quality of Mexican immigrants in general by picking the worst possible examples of a few individuals who, in fact, are in Mexico. I really have to say, I'd admire the calm and rational way people are approaching this issue :roll:

My coworkers grandmother (74 yo btw) was sexually assaulted and murdered by an illegal immigrant. And near where i live there have been two high profile cases of drunk driving illegals (who have been arrested numerous times) killing someone with thier car. Right now in my area the number of serious crimes by illegals is outpacing that of the regular trash that does these things.

Sorry to hear of your tragic loss. That was something truely horrific and not at all uncommon actually. Sad to say. The rapes, most of them sick as can be and violent as can be keep skyrocketing upwards. Violent carjackings too. It's going to reach a crecendo soon i predict and some high profile totally viscious attacks are going to happen that start the next phase in all this. Vigilante counterattacks done by Americans against illegals. Than the Mexicans will match it with ratcheting up their level of street hardware. Not to be outdone of their own home turf, American vigilantes will easily go one up up anything the latino gangbangers throw their way.

Me. I'm not a vigilante but neither am i an anti-vigilante. I say to each their own way in dealing with this in the near total absence of a legitimate USA Government that will address this huge illigal alien invasion. Eisenhower kicked them all out when the same exact thing began escalating in the 1950's. But the current Administration does just the opposite and eggs them all on to pour in.

And if this brewing pot boils over all across America i'll certainly protect my loved ones from all harm as nessessary. I noticed one thing about all them Mexican flag waving illegals here in America on our turf. They've all got a wise-cracking mouth and a quick fused temper. So if push comes to shove and they do try to sieze the SouthWestern USA as theirs all i've got to say is how do you like your toast. Light or dark. The USA Military will just at some point have to be called in to deal with the Mexican invasion and they will. Possibly with quite a mess as like we just saw happen in Lebanon. You can picture parts of South Central L.A. going down just like that. To hot to walk into with troops. So certain blocks will just be levelled.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: straightalker

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Because clearly we can judge the quality of Mexican immigrants in general by picking the worst possible examples of a few individuals who, in fact, are in Mexico. I really have to say, I'd admire the calm and rational way people are approaching this issue :roll:

My coworkers grandmother (74 yo btw) was sexually assaulted and murdered by an illegal immigrant. And near where i live there have been two high profile cases of drunk driving illegals (who have been arrested numerous times) killing someone with thier car. Right now in my area the number of serious crimes by illegals is outpacing that of the regular trash that does these things.

Sorry to hear of your tragic loss. That was something truely horrific and not at all uncommon actually. Sad to say. The rapes, most of them sick as can be and violent as can be keep skyrocketing upwards. Violent carjackings too. It's going to reach a crecendo soon i predict and some high profile totally viscious attacks are going to happen that start the next phase in all this. Vigilante counterattacks done by Americans against illegals. Than the Mexicans will match it with ratcheting up their level of street hardware. Not to be outdone of their own home turf, American vigilantes will easily go one up up anything the latino gangbangers throw their way.

Me. I'm not a vigilante but neither am i an anti-vigilante. I say to each their own way in dealing with this in the near total absence of a legitimate USA Government that will address this huge illigal alien invasion. Eisenhower kicked them all out when the same exact thing began escalating in the 1950's. But the current Administration does just the opposite and eggs them all on to pour in.

And if this brewing pot boils over all across America i'll certainly protect my loved ones from all harm as nessessary. I noticed one thing about all them Mexican flag waving illegals here in America on our turf. They've all got a wise-cracking mouth and a quick fused temper. So if push comes to shove and they do try to sieze the SouthWestern USA as theirs all i've got to say is how do you like your toast. Light or dark. The USA Military will just at some point have to be called in to deal with the Mexican invasion and they will. Possibly with quite a mess as like we just saw happen in Lebanon. You can picture parts of South Central L.A. going down just like that. To hot to walk into with troops. So certain blocks will just be levelled.

Take off you're blinders, both of you. You are getting so caught up in the few nasty incidents that you are totally ignoring that the VAST majority of Mexican illegal immigrants want pretty much the same things you do, a good job, a nice family and their own little piece of the American dream. Every single damn time this discussion comes up, people like you guys bring up single incidents and then extrapolate that to some trend leading to actual WAR (are you two very stoned?) without the slightest bit of evidence to back that up. The logic there makes no sense, why would Mexicans be willing to take the risks involved in coming here just to try and take the land back for Mexico (or whatever the hell they are supposedly doing)? The idea that they are coming here for the same reasons our ancestors did sounds a lot more plausible to me...they aren't Klingons, they're a lot more like us that most people think. Hell, I used to live in California and the hardest working people I met were the illegal and legal Mexican immigrants. Obviously I can't extrapolate that to a broad trend any more than you two can, but it seems pretty compelling to me.

The real problem with this issue, as with almost every issue in the US, is that most people are too stupid to rationally step back and look at the big picture. You start talking about terrorists or an illegal "invasion" in broad terms and at least half the people will start freaking out. Very few people actually stop and ask for facts, like how many illegals are causing trouble and how many just want to live the American dream. Everybody in this country seems to have rejected thinking with their brains and has substituted their emotional reactions instead. There is very little value in reacting like lunatics to situations like this, everybody really does need to take a deep breath and calm the fvck down.

Edit: You know what REALLY worries me (and I hope I'm wrong about this)? People like you two seem about two steps away from buying a gun and just going around hosing down Mexicans (they're all "illegal" right?). I know, I know, you'd never do that and all that bullshit...but lets be honest, you're already got two of the three requirements...you seem to have a deep-seated fear of illegal immigrants and you're convinced yourselves that they are all the same and that they are all part of some evil plan to destroy the country. All you need now is some jackass to lead you guys and we're going to have a big problem here. And if not you guys, then some other people...there are plenty of people who think like you do. And that really scares me, because once you take the steps a lot of Americans have already taken, it's not really too much farther towards what I'm talking about. People have bypassed rationally looking at the immigration problem and jumped right to "I'ma gonna get my gun and protect myself from those damn Mexi-cans", not exactly a good sign.

 

[Drift3r]

Some of you sound like the same folks who 40 years ago would be talking about what would happen if you let blacks move in next door. I am for a regulated border and want sanity restored but I also am very much for immigration. Frankly some of you guys sound like you are ready to put on white sheets with all the crazy talk and hysteria you seem to want to spread around. The truth of the matter is yes our borders need to be secure but immigration is a key to economic survival because without it we would not be able to compete in a global market and a lot of jobs would just pick up and move elswhere. So either you export those jobs or you import the labor to maintain an edge in this fierce global market.

 

[1EZduzit]

My brothers friend was recently put in the hospital by a gang of Mexicans with bats who jumped one night after coming out of his girlfriends apartment. He had previously gotten into an altercation with them because they were harrasssing his girlfriend who was just trying to get into her apartment. They live in the same apartment building as she does, and he happened to pull up and witness it. If this continues to escalate, then someone is going to end up getting stabbed or shot.

I live in South Dakota, so this isn't exactly a border state. Don't try and tell me the Mexicans are here to pick the crops. They're here to work at the turkey processing plant because the pay is crap, especially considering the working conditions. The place wasn't open a week and half of their labor force quit, so they brought in literally hundreds of Mexicans to do the work for cheap.

And cheap Mexican labor was the plan from the start too. I applied for a night watchmen job there before they were even done with the construction (which was done by Mexicans) and out of over 20 people working in the office, 2 were white.

Wake up and smell the roses people. If theings continue as they are, then in less then 20 years the Mexicans are going to be the majority in this country.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
My brothers friend was recently put in the hospital by a gang of Mexicans with bats who jumped one night after coming out of his girlfriends apartment. He had previously gotten into an altercation with them because they were harrasssing his girlfriend who was just trying to get into her apartment. They live in the same apartment building as she does, and he happened to pull up and witness it. If this continues to escalate, then someone is going to end up getting stabbed or shot.

I live in South Dakota, so this isn't exactly a border state. Don't try and tell me the Mexicans are here to pick the crops. They're here to work at the turkey processing plant because the pay is crap, especially considering the working conditions. The place wasn't open a week and half of their labor force quit, so they brought in literally hundreds of Mexicans to do the work for cheap.

And cheap Mexican labor was the plan from the start too. I applied for a night watchmen job there before they were even done with the construction (which was done by Mexicans) and out of over 20 people working in the office, 2 were white.

Wake up and smell the roses people. If theings continue as they are, then in less then 20 years the Mexicans are going to be the majority in this country.

So if your friend was assualted by some black guys would you be half as upset ? If instead of Mexicans it was black people from New Orleans moving in in to take those jobs would you be talking about doing something before the blacks out populate the whites ?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
My brothers friend was recently put in the hospital by a gang of Mexicans with bats who jumped one night after coming out of his girlfriends apartment. He had previously gotten into an altercation with them because they were harrasssing his girlfriend who was just trying to get into her apartment. They live in the same apartment building as she does, and he happened to pull up and witness it. If this continues to escalate, then someone is going to end up getting stabbed or shot.

I live in South Dakota, so this isn't exactly a border state. Don't try and tell me the Mexicans are here to pick the crops. They're here to work at the turkey processing plant because the pay is crap, especially considering the working conditions. The place wasn't open a week and half of their labor force quit, so they brought in literally hundreds of Mexicans to do the work for cheap.

And cheap Mexican labor was the plan from the start too. I applied for a night watchmen job there before they were even done with the construction (which was done by Mexicans) and out of over 20 people working in the office, 2 were white.

Wake up and smell the roses people. If theings continue as they are, then in less then 20 years the Mexicans are going to be the majority in this country.

So if your friend was assualted by some black guys would you be half as upset ? If instead of Mexicans it was black people from New Orleans moving in in to take those jobs would you be talking about doing something before the blacks out populate the whites ?

Are ther 12 million illegal black people in this country.... and are they still pouring in across the border?

Like I said, figure it out. The issue isn't race, so take all that racist innuendo and stuff it. It's the fact that they will work cheap because they are here illegally that bothers me. It's the fact they they thumb there noses at our laws and use our own system against us.

Get your head out of your ass before it's too late.

Edit:.

By the way we used to have a commuinty college before it closed and we had all kinds of black people here on athletic scholarships, etc. and never, ever had a problem like this. Yeah, some black guy and white guy who were drunk would get in a fight every now and then, usually over a girl, but nobody ever, EVER ganged up on somebody with baseball bats!!