Meth use is receding.

techs

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070401/ap_on_re_us/meth_downturn

Meth use receding in some regions

It's a positive sign in a state that is one of many hard hit by the meth epidemic ? and one of several early indications that a drug that's long been a scourge is losing its grip, at least in some communities.

Last year, federal officials and many states reported that the numbers of small "mom-and-pop" methamphetamine labs were dropping, a result largely attributed to the crackdown on the sale of pseudoephedrine and similar cold medicine ingredients used to make meth.

Officials feared that methamphetamine from Mexico would simply fill the void. And while authorities in some places have noticed an uptick in imported meth, others are hopeful that meth use is starting to wane.

Some examples:

_In Minnesota's Twin Cities, meth-related emergency room visits dropped from 1,402 in 2005 to 251 in 2006, according to a recent report by the nonprofit Hazelden Foundation.

_In Montana, a new report from that state's attorney general noted that meth-related crime fell 53 percent in 2006, compared with the previous year. They also found that, while meth remains a big problem there, the overall rate of employees in Montana who tested positive for meth was down more than 70 percent from 2005 to last year.

_In the San Francisco Bay area, meth-related emergency room visits leveled off in 2006, after peaking the previous two years. Decline in meth use has been particularly notable among gay men, following efforts in their community to spread the word about the drug's ill effects, says John Newmeyer, who heads San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury Free Clinics. In addition to causing paranoid, aggressive behavior, meth is known for its harsh physical effects ? from sunken eyes and bone-thin frames to teeth that turn gray and deteriorate.



I posted about the value of the new rule on purchasing pseudephidrene a while back. The vitriol spewed by those who felt that showing i.d. to purchase pseudephridene was an infringement on thier rights, time, etc was amazing.
Well, you morons, guess what? The extra couple of minutes you spend buying pseudephridene has saved lives. I buy pseudephriden regularly and I have no problem showing I.D.
 

Genx87

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I posted about the value of the new rule on purchasing pseudephidrene a while back. The vitriol spewed by those who felt that showing i.d. to purchase pseudephridene was an infringement on thier rights, time, etc was amazing.
Well, you morons, guess what? The extra couple of minutes you spend buying pseudephridene has saved lives. I buy pseudephriden regularly and I have no problem showing I.D.

This thread is going places.

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I posted about the value of the new rule on purchasing pseudephidrene a while back. The vitriol spewed by those who felt that showing i.d. to purchase pseudephridene was an infringement on thier rights, time, etc was amazing.
Well, you morons, guess what? The extra couple of minutes you spend buying pseudephridene has saved lives. I buy pseudephriden regularly and I have no problem showing I.D.

This thread is going places.

Victory in that battle does not = victory for the WOD.

The War on Drugs is still an expensive joke.
 

cKGunslinger

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Well than, let's require ID for everything that could be harmful! Pencils, matches, gasoline, forks (I mean, we have to stop those people who want to stab themselves in the eye with forks, now don't we,) anything weighing over 3 lbs, rope, thumbtacks, McDonald's Value Meals, aerosol cans, and Twinkies.

Also, let's raise the minimum drinking age to 65 and ban cigarettes, sharp objects, and firearms completely.

Think of all the lives we'll save!
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: techs
Officials feared that methamphetamine from Mexico would simply fill the void. And while authorities in some places have noticed an uptick in imported meth, others are hopeful that meth use is starting to wane.

There you have it folks. New supplies will move in to feed the market as long as there is demand. The War on Drugs is an expensive failure by any standard.
 

Thump553

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The decline in meth use may be more due to the fact that it causes immediate, highly visible, and drastic damage to a user-such as the rotting teeth symdrome. Meth turns its users into zombies far quicker than even heroin.

Much as I'd like to believe the restrictions on buying cold remedies helped out, I strongly suspect that the answer may be that meth is no longer the illegal drug of choice.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: techs
Officials feared that methamphetamine from Mexico would simply fill the void. And while authorities in some places have noticed an uptick in imported meth, others are hopeful that meth use is starting to wane.

There you have it folks. New supplies will move in to feed the market as long as there is demand. The War on Drugs is an expensive failure by any standard.

Actually, using the same tools that elimated Quaaludes as a problem, the companies that sell the chemicals to make pseudephridene are limiting the amounts they sell to Mexico. Which hopefully means the slight increase they are seeing is all that can be gotten in Mexico.

 

OFFascist

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: techs
Officials feared that methamphetamine from Mexico would simply fill the void. And while authorities in some places have noticed an uptick in imported meth, others are hopeful that meth use is starting to wane.

There you have it folks. New supplies will move in to feed the market as long as there is demand. The War on Drugs is an expensive failure by any standard.

Exactly its pretty hard to fight capitalism. The soviets learned that.

 

OFFascist

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Originally posted by: Thump553
The decline in meth use may be more due to the fact that it causes immediate, highly visible, and drastic damage to a user-such as the rotting teeth symdrome. Meth turns its users into zombies far quicker than even heroin.

Much as I'd like to believe the restrictions on buying cold remedies helped out, I strongly suspect that the answer may be that meth is no longer the illegal drug of choice.

I concur what rational person would want to end up like that. Maybe the increased knowledge of its consequences is scaring off new customers. Most users are probably those who are already addicted or those that dont care.

 

ayabe

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I think we should hand meth out in rural areas, social darwinism ftw. Basically the people doing meth now are the same people who would be sniffing glue or huffing paint were meth not available, we really need to thin out the gene pool.
 

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Originally posted by: ayabe
I think we should hand meth out in rural areas, social darwinism ftw. Basically the people doing meth now are the same people who would be sniffing glue or huffing paint were meth not available, we really need to thin out the gene pool.
So that's your Final Solution Dr Mengele?
 

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Well than, let's require ID for everything that could be harmful! Pencils, matches, gasoline, forks (I mean, we have to stop those people who want to stab themselves in the eye with forks, now don't we,) anything weighing over 3 lbs, rope, thumbtacks, McDonald's Value Meals, aerosol cans, and Twinkies.

Also, let's raise the minimum drinking age to 65 and ban cigarettes, sharp objects, and firearms completely.

Think of all the lives we'll save!

LOL!
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: techs
Well, you morons, guess what? The extra couple of minutes you spend buying pseudephridene has saved lives. I buy pseudephriden regularly and I have no problem showing I.D.

Let's see... name calling, appeal to emotion, unsubstantiated "facts". Yes, this guy sure showed us.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ayabe
I think we should hand meth out in rural areas, social darwinism ftw. Basically the people doing meth now are the same people who would be sniffing glue or huffing paint were meth not available, we really need to thin out the gene pool.
So that's your Final Solution Dr Mengele?

/sarcasm

 

ProfJohn

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For once I?ll have to agree with techs.

Making it harder to get pseudoephedrine is the most likely cause of this drop in use.

In 2002 when meth was still newish I remember watching people go into Target and buy 3 of the biggest packs they could get. Enough to pop a pill a day for a year, and no one really paid much attention.
 

rickn

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so how'd they figure this one out, count the amount of missing teeth in gutters nationwide?
 

rickn

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
For once I?ll have to agree with techs.

Making it harder to get pseudoephedrine is the most likely cause of this drop in use.

In 2002 when meth was still newish I remember watching people go into Target and buy 3 of the biggest packs they could get. Enough to pop a pill a day for a year, and no one really paid much attention.

Walmart does everything but ask for a urine sample if you want to buy it. I think it's rediculous. they ask for more ID to buy Sudafed than they do to fill a prescription of Valium.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Just in, Afghan's have a bumper poppy crop...Best year ever!
Street prices will drop. British troops told to keep their hands off fields.

And so it goes.
 
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The stats are nice but it would be nice to see just why they have dropped so dramatically over the last year. I'm sure taking pseudophedrine products off the shelf helped a little but that can't be the only cause of the decline.

I'm not saying it was a bad thing to make PE harder to buy, I just don't think it made that much of a dent. Something else is going on here. Plus, I wonder how meth use is doing overall... outside of these selected locations.
 

Chunkee

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Do you actually believe this crap propaganda...? More and more meth are entering the country via Mexico...demand is still high and the supply is getting more prevalent and cheaper..

what a crock of crap... meth is just as ubiquitous as it has been and is still gaining ground.

Get real.
 

halik

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Good,
i think all people need is the before-after shots that ciruculate the internet. Spend some money on anti-meth campaign instead of pushing the idiotic anti-weed campaign.

And for the record, that "leeches" commericans makes absolutely no sense. Zero.

edit: I haven't had issues buying pseudoephedrine either. Just gotta show your id.
 

smashp

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i think the Meth "consumers" are dying off and the Meth "Retailers" are Blowing Up.

I know in My local area, A upper-middle class suburb of cleveland, we had a major meth problem locally. The Community passed extra funding to the police to focus on the growing Yuppie drug problem. They have shut down quite a few meth labs in the area in the last year. Overall drug arrests in the community have decreased quite significantly. In My area Id say it is a local measure that helped.