If we hadn't forced our "help" on them, there wouldn't be any terrorists in Iraq for them to fight.
If we hadn't forced our "help" on them, there wouldn't be any terrorists in Iraq for them to fight.
Originally posted by: BBond
If we hadn't forced our "help" on them, there wouldn't be any terrorists in Iraq for them to fight.
I wouldn't say 'any' ('As many' would have been more correct), but you're right about one thing. If the terrorist magnet (The U.S force in Iraq) hadn't invaded, there wouldn't be as many terrorists as there are now.
Originally posted by: BBond
If we hadn't forced our "help" on them, there wouldn't be any terrorists in Iraq for them to fight.
Yeah, because it was just a Middle Eastern Disney World before we got there, huh?
What "money" have we gotten? We have spent over $200 Billion in Iraq so far. We haven't gotten anything in return. Your whole argument is w/o merit and makes no sense.
Rebuilding contracts, oil contracts, defence contracts, and mostly long-term control (which they were hoping for but didn't get.
glenn1
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Are you truly that stupid? The Sunnis participating in the uprising aren't fighting for their freedom, they're fighting to dominate the other groups in Iraq such as the Shi'ites and Kurds like they did under Saddam for the last 30 years. If they just wanted their fair share of the pie then they'd be participating in the elections, not boycotting them. They're fighting and resisting the election because they want MORE than their fair share, they want it all.
No, no, you must be new here. Anyone opposing Bush is frickin' George Washington-incarnate, and their actions (roadside bombs and the like) are completely justified, even if innocents are killed!! I'm sure jpeyton is on his way to join this just and noble cause!
Do have any basis for your idiotic hypothesis? Of course not because there is none. They are fighting for ttheir sovereignty and that is that.
glenn1
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You're as stupid as the first person to have posted this. Here's a prime example of your heroic freedom fighters fighting for their sovereignty, shooting Iraqi election workers in cold blood. If these are your "freedom fighters" I'm ashamed that you consider yourself to have any clue what freedom is.
thanks a LOT for the video!
i wish i were president, i would meet with EVERY one of our enemies and find out why we are enemies. but alas, it's ideas like that which get's you killed
i wish i were president, i would meet with EVERY one of our enemies and find out why we are enemies. but alas, it's ideas like that which get's you killed
Bowfinger
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I will say, however, that it felt very Western. This was not your typical al Qaeda video. I'd bet whoever is behind it was schooled in the West at a minimum, and may well be an American. Maybe that's why I find it so disturbing. This country will be paying for George Bush's cowboy arrogance for decades.
You do realize that's the same kind of thinking that allowed for the rise of the Taliban in
Afganistan in the first place?
Heh, them smart bombs cost plenty, and I don't think Iraq is making anything off of them, only people here in the US. It would be interesting to see a break down of how our 200 billion is being spent.
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Who cares; if they want to have a civil war to settle all that Sunni/Shiite stuff, let's clear the battlefield for them.
The fact is, Sunnis and Shiites have hated each others guts since the division was created.
But no matter who they are, or what you may think they are fighting for, their victory is the United States defeat. We deserve no less for our arrogance in this entire sham war.
I wince at the thought that we as a nation were so easily duped by a simple media campaign to instill fear where none existed.
US defeat means US withdrawal. That is ALL that matters at this point. We have little to offer the Iraqis.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I will say, however, that it felt very Western. This was not your typical al Qaeda video. I'd bet whoever is behind it was schooled in the West at a minimum, and may well be an American. Maybe that's why I find it so disturbing. This country will be paying for George Bush's cowboy arrogance for decades.
And that's not even mentioning the $200 billion.
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GIving up already? I am sure Cheney would have a big "Go fvck yourself" for having so little faith.
These men got pumping to do and they'll be damned if our youth's lives get in their way.
Have faith we have the greatest military in the world we couldn't lose...again could we?
There going to have to start calling us: "Burger flipping surrender monkeys" soon now.
MadRat
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People of the world! These words come to you from those who up to the day of the invasion were struggling to survive under the sanctions imposed by the criminal regimes of the U.S. and Britain .
We are simple people who chose principles over fear.
We have suffered crimes and sanctions, which we consider the true weapons of mass destruction.
Years and years of agony and despair, while the condemned UN traded with our oil revenues in the name of world stability and peace.
Over two million innocents died waiting for a light at the end of a tunnel that only ended with the occupation of our country and the theft of our resources.
After the crimes of the administrations of the U.S and Britain in Iraq , we have chosen our future. The future of every resistance struggle ever in the history of man.
It is our duty, as well as our right, to fight back the occupying forces, which their nations will be held morally and economically responsible; for what their elected governments have destroyed and stolen from our land.
We have not crossed the oceans and seas to occupy Britain or the U.S. nor are we responsible for 9/11. These are only a few of the lies that these criminals present to cover their true plans for the control of the energy resources of the world, in face of a growing China and a strong unified Europe . It is Ironic that the Iraqi's are to bear the full face of this large and growing conflict on behalf of the rest of this sleeping world.
We thank all those, including those of Britain and the U.S. , who took to the streets in protest against this war and against Globalism. We also thank France , Germany and other states for their position, which least to say are considered wise and balanced, til now.
Today, we call on you again.
We do not require arms or fighters, for we have plenty.
We ask you to form a world wide front against war and sanctions. A front that is governed by the wise and knowing. A front that will bring reform and order. New institutions that would replace the now corrupt.
Stop using the U.S. dollar, use the Euro or a basket of currencies. Reduce or halt your consumption of British and U.S. products. Put an end to Zionism before it ends the world. Educate those in doubt of the true nature of this conflict and do not believe their media for their casualties are far higher than they admit.
We only wish we had more cameras to show the world their true defeat.
The enemy is on the run. They are in fear of a resistance movement they can not see nor predict.
We, now choose when, where, and how to strike. And as our ancestors drew the first sparks of civilization, we will redefine the word ?conquest.?
Today we write a new chapter in the arts of urban warfare.
Know that by helping the Iraqi people you are helping yourselves, for tomorrow may bring the same destruction to you.
In helping the Iraqi people does not mean dealing for the Americans for a few contracts here and there. You must continue to isolate their strategy.
This conflict is no longer considered a localized war. Nor can the world remain hostage to the never-ending and regenerated fear that the American people suffer from in general.
We will pin them here in Iraq to drain their resources, manpower, and their will to fight. We will make them spend as much as they steal, if not more.
We will disrupt, then halt the flow of our stolen oil, thus, rendering their plans useless.
And the earlier a movement is born, the earlier their fall will be.
And to the American soldiers we say, you can also choose to fight tyranny with us. Lay down your weapons, and seek refuge in our mosques, churches and homes. We will protect you. And we will get you out of Iraq , as we have done with a few others before you.
Go back to your homes, families, and loved ones. This is not your war. Nor are you fighting for a true cause in Iraq .
And to George W. Bush, we say, ?You have asked us to ?Bring it on?, and so have we. Like never expected. Have you another challenge??
We are simple people who chose principles over fear.
We have suffered crimes and sanctions, which we consider the true weapons of mass destruction.
Years and years of agony and despair, while the condemned UN traded with our oil revenues in the name of world stability and peace.
Over two million innocents died waiting for a light at the end of a tunnel that only ended with the occupation of our country and the theft of our resources.
After the crimes of the administrations of the U.S and Britain in Iraq , we have chosen our future. The future of every resistance struggle ever in the history of man.
It is our duty, as well as our right, to fight back the occupying forces, which their nations will be held morally and economically responsible; for what their elected governments have destroyed and stolen from our land.
We have not crossed the oceans and seas to occupy Britain or the U.S. nor are we responsible for 9/11. These are only a few of the lies that these criminals present to cover their true plans for the control of the energy resources of the world, in face of a growing China and a strong unified Europe . It is Ironic that the Iraqi's are to bear the full face of this large and growing conflict on behalf of the rest of this sleeping world.
We thank all those, including those of Britain and the U.S. , who took to the streets in protest against this war and against Globalism. We also thank France , Germany and other states for their position, which least to say are considered wise and balanced, til now.
Today, we call on you again.
We do not require arms or fighters, for we have plenty.
We ask you to form a world wide front against war and sanctions. A front that is governed by the wise and knowing. A front that will bring reform and order. New institutions that would replace the now corrupt.
Stop using the U.S. dollar, use the Euro or a basket of currencies. Reduce or halt your consumption of British and U.S. products. Put an end to Zionism before it ends the world. Educate those in doubt of the true nature of this conflict and do not believe their media for their casualties are far higher than they admit.
We only wish we had more cameras to show the world their true defeat.
The enemy is on the run. They are in fear of a resistance movement they can not see nor predict.
We, now choose when, where, and how to strike. And as our ancestors drew the first sparks of civilization, we will redefine the word ?conquest.?
Today we write a new chapter in the arts of urban warfare.
Know that by helping the Iraqi people you are helping yourselves, for tomorrow may bring the same destruction to you.
In helping the Iraqi people does not mean dealing for the Americans for a few contracts here and there. You must continue to isolate their strategy.
This conflict is no longer considered a localized war. Nor can the world remain hostage to the never-ending and regenerated fear that the American people suffer from in general.
We will pin them here in Iraq to drain their resources, manpower, and their will to fight. We will make them spend as much as they steal, if not more.
We will disrupt, then halt the flow of our stolen oil, thus, rendering their plans useless.
And the earlier a movement is born, the earlier their fall will be.
And to the American soldiers we say, you can also choose to fight tyranny with us. Lay down your weapons, and seek refuge in our mosques, churches and homes. We will protect you. And we will get you out of Iraq , as we have done with a few others before you.
Go back to your homes, families, and loved ones. This is not your war. Nor are you fighting for a true cause in Iraq .
And to George W. Bush, we say, ?You have asked us to ?Bring it on?, and so have we. Like never expected. Have you another challenge??
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