Message from President Vicente Fox

[1EZduzit]

http://www.embassyofmexico.org/eng/inde...=com_content&task=view&id=196&Itemid=2">Message from President Vicente Fox</a>

We want to have a safe border for the benefit of our citizens and for the benefit of our relationship with the United States. Likewise, we have intensified our actions with the OASISS Project. We are going after the criminals that are trafficking with people that are, let's say, promoting illegally the movement of citizens to the United States -- the alien smugglers. We have stopped more than 120 of these criminals, alien smugglers. Likewise, in the southern border, as President Bush said, we are very active, very active on what has to do with patrol, constructions of different stations so as to stop migrants, illegal migrants, people that are coming illegally to the Mexican territory, and sending them back to their own countries with due respect to human rights. But we're doing an efficient work in that sense.

Well I feel so much safer now that Mexico has their southern boarder under control, now if we could just get some help on the northern border. With US dollars sent home by illegals being Mexico's second biggest source of income, I wouldn't hold my breath while waiting for that help. 😀

What Bush said

Today we had a very important discussion. We discussed border security. The President understands and I understand we have an obligation to secure our borders. And I want to thank your government for sending out such a strong statement about the need for -- that the shared responsibility we have. In other words, border security is not just one country's prerogative; it's the prerogative and duty of both countries. And we spent time talking about how to work together to continue to strengthen that cooperation necessary to do our duty.

I also appreciate the President's work to enforce Mexico's southern border. It's a difficult job, but, nevertheless, the President shared with me the strategies he's employing to do that job, as well.

Obviously, the migration issue came up. I told the President there is a legislative process that's going forward, and that it may look cumbersome to some, but that's how our democracy works. I told the President that I am committed to having a comprehensive immigration bill on my desk. And by "comprehensive" I mean not only border security -- a bill that has border security in it, a bill that has interior enforcement in it, but a bill that has a worker permit program in it. And that's an important part of having a border that works.

We don't want people sneaking into our country that are going to do jobs Americans won't do, we want them coming in, in an orderly way -- which will take pressure off of both our borders. And I explained to the President my vision of the citizenship issue. I don't believe somebody should be allowed to come into our country and get ahead of the line, the citizenship line.

We don't need citizens, just cheap labor to do the jobs that the citizens won't???

It's a sad, sorry state of affairs that a President of the USA would rather bring in second class citizens then to have to provide a decent job for an American citizen.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
http://www.embassyofmexico.org/eng/inde...=com_content&task=view&id=196&Itemid=2">Message from President Vicente Fox</a>

We want to have a safe border for the benefit of our citizens and for the benefit of our relationship with the United States. Likewise, we have intensified our actions with the OASISS Project. We are going after the criminals that are trafficking with people that are, let's say, promoting illegally the movement of citizens to the United States -- the alien smugglers. We have stopped more than 120 of these criminals, alien smugglers. Likewise, in the southern border, as President Bush said, we are very active, very active on what has to do with patrol, constructions of different stations so as to stop migrants, illegal migrants, people that are coming illegally to the Mexican territory, and sending them back to their own countries with due respect to human rights. But we're doing an efficient work in that sense.

Well I feel so much safer now that Mexico has their southern boarder under control, now if we could just get some help on the northern border. With US dollars sent home by illegals being Mexico's second biggest source of income, I wouldn't hold my breath while waiting for that help. 😀

What Bush said

Today we had a very important discussion. We discussed border security. The President understands and I understand we have an obligation to secure our borders. And I want to thank your government for sending out such a strong statement about the need for -- that the shared responsibility we have. In other words, border security is not just one country's prerogative; it's the prerogative and duty of both countries. And we spent time talking about how to work together to continue to strengthen that cooperation necessary to do our duty.

I also appreciate the President's work to enforce Mexico's southern border. It's a difficult job, but, nevertheless, the President shared with me the strategies he's employing to do that job, as well.

Obviously, the migration issue came up. I told the President there is a legislative process that's going forward, and that it may look cumbersome to some, but that's how our democracy works. I told the President that I am committed to having a comprehensive immigration bill on my desk. And by "comprehensive" I mean not only border security -- a bill that has border security in it, a bill that has interior enforcement in it, but a bill that has a worker permit program in it. And that's an important part of having a border that works.

We don't want people sneaking into our country that are going to do jobs Americans won't do, we want them coming in, in an orderly way -- which will take pressure off of both our borders. And I explained to the President my vision of the citizenship issue. I don't believe somebody should be allowed to come into our country and get ahead of the line, the citizenship line.

We don't need citizens, just cheap labor to do the jobs that the citizens won't???

Bullsht, show me proof that Americans won't do those jobs for minimum wage. I've done everything from a dishwasher to a cook to a tree trimmer to a road asphalt crew to pay my way through college. At 2 of those jobs, I made minimum wage, but was happy just to earn any cash to help pay for books and tuition. Don't tell me that Americans won't do the jobs, that's BS.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Bullsht, show me proof that Americans won't do those jobs for minimum wage. I've done everything from a dishwasher to a cook to a tree trimmer to a road asphalt crew to pay my way through college. At 2 of those jobs, I made minimum wage, but was happy just to earn any cash to help pay for books and tuition. Don't tell me that Americans won't do the jobs, that's BS.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[jjzelinski]

You know I interpreted the OP differently. I think all that Bush was saying is that he's fine with these people coming over, but he wants them to utilze the process in place. Of course that's rather senseless, because once undocumented workers become documented they gain protections from exploitation and that would constrict their usefulness to agriculture. Pretty much, Bush might as well have cooed and babbled like a baby and his words wouldn't have meant any less.

 

[1EZduzit]

Message from Mexico about migration

Mexico acknowledges that a crucial aspect for the success of a temporary workers program refers to the capacity to guarantee the circular flow of the participants, as well as the development of incentives that encourage migrants to return to our country. Mexico could significantly enhance its tax-preferred housing programs, so that migrants can construct a house in their home communities while they work in the United States.

Oh cool, while we help them afford housing here they will be building a house in Mexico. Damn we're nice beloved patriot's, not too bright, but nice..

Other mechanisms that should be developed are the establishment of a bilateral medical insurance system to cover migrants and their relatives, as well as the agreement of totalization of pension benefits, which will allow Mexicans working in the United States to collect their pension benefits in Mexico.

Well, at least after all that hard work they should be able to retire well back in their home country.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Bullsht, show me proof that Americans won't do those jobs for minimum wage. I've done everything from a dishwasher to a cook to a tree trimmer to a road asphalt crew to pay my way through college. At 2 of those jobs, I made minimum wage, but was happy just to earn any cash to help pay for books and tuition. Don't tell me that Americans won't do the jobs, that's BS.

I couldn't agree more.

And I disagree. I've seen it with my own eyes, and my experience is quite different. Of course, this is all generalization we are spewing. There are a lot of Americans who just don't want to work, and there are also a lot that do. There are jobs out there that pay more than the minimum, but pay more because people won't do them. I worked in a call center here in Memphis for years, an easy job, very easy. And yet, people won't do it.

 

[1EZduzit]

Arrival of aliens ousts U.S. workers!

By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published April 10, 2006

Linda Swope, who operates Complete Employment Services Inc. in Mobile, Ala., told The Washington Times last week that the workers -- whom she described as U.S. citizens, residents of Alabama and predominantly black -- had been "urgently requested" by contractors hired to rebuild and clear devastated areas of the state, but were told to leave three job sites when the foreign workers showed up.

"After Katrina, our company had 70 workers on the job the first day, but the companies decided they didn't need them anymore because the Mexicans had arrived," Mrs. Swope said. "I assure you it is not true that Americans don't want to work.

"We had been told that 270 jobs might be available, and we could have filled every one of them with men from this area, most of whom lost their jobs because of the hurricane," she said. "When we told the guys they would not be needed, they actually cried ... and we cried with them. This is a shame."

Mrs. Swope said employment agencies throughout Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi faced similar problems, when thousands of men from Mexico and several Central and South American countries -- many in crowded buses and trucks -- came into the three states after Katrina, looking for employment and willing to work for less money.........

......Would-be employers in Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi, awash in cleanup and reconstruction jobs, faced little in the way of legal problems in hiring the illegal aliens after Katrina because the Department of Homeland Security temporarily suspended the sanctioning of employers who hired workers unable to document their citizenship.

Mr. Bush also had suspended the Davis-Bacon Act, which requires local contractors to pay "prevailing" wages, in the areas hit by Katrina to encourage reconstruction and cleanup.

The men we sent to jobs in Alabama were local fellows looking for work, men who needed jobs," Mrs. Swope said. "After driving 50 miles to the work sites where they had been promised $10 an hour, they discovered the employers had found substitutes who were willing to work for less."

Yeah, OK, if you say so.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: bamacre


And I disagree. I've seen it with my own eyes, and my experience is quite different. Of course, this is all generalization we are spewing. There are a lot of Americans who just don't want to work, and there are also a lot that do. There are jobs out there that pay more than the minimum, but pay more because people won't do them. I worked in a call center here in Memphis for years, an easy job, very easy. And yet, people won't do it.

We had a call center here for Citibank and people were standing in line to work there. It was easy work, paid $10/hr with insurance, but they closed it up and moved it to India.

 

[blahblah99]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
http://www.embassyofmexico.org/eng/inde...=com_content&task=view&id=196&Itemid=2">Message from President Vicente Fox</a>

We want to have a safe border for the benefit of our citizens and for the benefit of our relationship with the United States. Likewise, we have intensified our actions with the OASISS Project. We are going after the criminals that are trafficking with people that are, let's say, promoting illegally the movement of citizens to the United States -- the alien smugglers. We have stopped more than 120 of these criminals, alien smugglers. Likewise, in the southern border, as President Bush said, we are very active, very active on what has to do with patrol, constructions of different stations so as to stop migrants, illegal migrants, people that are coming illegally to the Mexican territory, and sending them back to their own countries with due respect to human rights. But we're doing an efficient work in that sense.

Well I feel so much safer now that Mexico has their southern boarder under control, now if we could just get some help on the northern border. With US dollars sent home by illegals being Mexico's second biggest source of income, I wouldn't hold my breath while waiting for that help. 😀

What Bush said

Today we had a very important discussion. We discussed border security. The President understands and I understand we have an obligation to secure our borders. And I want to thank your government for sending out such a strong statement about the need for -- that the shared responsibility we have. In other words, border security is not just one country's prerogative; it's the prerogative and duty of both countries. And we spent time talking about how to work together to continue to strengthen that cooperation necessary to do our duty.

I also appreciate the President's work to enforce Mexico's southern border. It's a difficult job, but, nevertheless, the President shared with me the strategies he's employing to do that job, as well.

Obviously, the migration issue came up. I told the President there is a legislative process that's going forward, and that it may look cumbersome to some, but that's how our democracy works. I told the President that I am committed to having a comprehensive immigration bill on my desk. And by "comprehensive" I mean not only border security -- a bill that has border security in it, a bill that has interior enforcement in it, but a bill that has a worker permit program in it. And that's an important part of having a border that works.

We don't want people sneaking into our country that are going to do jobs Americans won't do, we want them coming in, in an orderly way -- which will take pressure off of both our borders. And I explained to the President my vision of the citizenship issue. I don't believe somebody should be allowed to come into our country and get ahead of the line, the citizenship line.

We don't need citizens, just cheap labor to do the jobs that the citizens won't???

Bullsht, show me proof that Americans won't do those jobs for minimum wage. I've done everything from a dishwasher to a cook to a tree trimmer to a road asphalt crew to pay my way through college. At 2 of those jobs, I made minimum wage, but was happy just to earn any cash to help pay for books and tuition. Don't tell me that Americans won't do the jobs, that's BS.

Just because YOU work those jobs for minimum wage doesn't mean every other American will do it. Of course there are exceptions to every rule but that doesn't disprove the generalized statement.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: blahblah99

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
http://www.embassyofmexico.org/eng/inde...=com_content&task=view&id=196&Itemid=2">Message from President Vicente Fox</a>

We want to have a safe border for the benefit of our citizens and for the benefit of our relationship with the United States. Likewise, we have intensified our actions with the OASISS Project. We are going after the criminals that are trafficking with people that are, let's say, promoting illegally the movement of citizens to the United States -- the alien smugglers. We have stopped more than 120 of these criminals, alien smugglers. Likewise, in the southern border, as President Bush said, we are very active, very active on what has to do with patrol, constructions of different stations so as to stop migrants, illegal migrants, people that are coming illegally to the Mexican territory, and sending them back to their own countries with due respect to human rights. But we're doing an efficient work in that sense.

Well I feel so much safer now that Mexico has their southern boarder under control, now if we could just get some help on the northern border. With US dollars sent home by illegals being Mexico's second biggest source of income, I wouldn't hold my breath while waiting for that help. 😀

What Bush said

Today we had a very important discussion. We discussed border security. The President understands and I understand we have an obligation to secure our borders. And I want to thank your government for sending out such a strong statement about the need for -- that the shared responsibility we have. In other words, border security is not just one country's prerogative; it's the prerogative and duty of both countries. And we spent time talking about how to work together to continue to strengthen that cooperation necessary to do our duty.

I also appreciate the President's work to enforce Mexico's southern border. It's a difficult job, but, nevertheless, the President shared with me the strategies he's employing to do that job, as well.

Obviously, the migration issue came up. I told the President there is a legislative process that's going forward, and that it may look cumbersome to some, but that's how our democracy works. I told the President that I am committed to having a comprehensive immigration bill on my desk. And by "comprehensive" I mean not only border security -- a bill that has border security in it, a bill that has interior enforcement in it, but a bill that has a worker permit program in it. And that's an important part of having a border that works.

We don't want people sneaking into our country that are going to do jobs Americans won't do, we want them coming in, in an orderly way -- which will take pressure off of both our borders. And I explained to the President my vision of the citizenship issue. I don't believe somebody should be allowed to come into our country and get ahead of the line, the citizenship line.

We don't need citizens, just cheap labor to do the jobs that the citizens won't???

Bullsht, show me proof that Americans won't do those jobs for minimum wage. I've done everything from a dishwasher to a cook to a tree trimmer to a road asphalt crew to pay my way through college. At 2 of those jobs, I made minimum wage, but was happy just to earn any cash to help pay for books and tuition. Don't tell me that Americans won't do the jobs, that's BS.

Just because YOU work those jobs for minimum wage doesn't mean every other American will do it. Of course there are exceptions to every rule but that doesn't disprove the generalized statement.

And your ramblings doesn't prove anything either.

 

[blahblah99]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: bamacre


And I disagree. I've seen it with my own eyes, and my experience is quite different. Of course, this is all generalization we are spewing. There are a lot of Americans who just don't want to work, and there are also a lot that do. There are jobs out there that pay more than the minimum, but pay more because people won't do them. I worked in a call center here in Memphis for years, an easy job, very easy. And yet, people won't do it.

We had a call center here for Citibank and people were standing in line to work there. It was easy work, paid $10/hr with insurance, but they closed it up and moved it to India.

That job requires English and communication skills. Perhaps that might have flew over your head, but others can see the difference between that type of work and the ones illegals perform.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: blahblah99

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: bamacre


And I disagree. I've seen it with my own eyes, and my experience is quite different. Of course, this is all generalization we are spewing. There are a lot of Americans who just don't want to work, and there are also a lot that do. There are jobs out there that pay more than the minimum, but pay more because people won't do them. I worked in a call center here in Memphis for years, an easy job, very easy. And yet, people won't do it.

We had a call center here for Citibank and people were standing in line to work there. It was easy work, paid $10/hr with insurance, but they closed it up and moved it to India.

That job requires English and communication skills. Perhaps that might have flew over your head, but others can see the difference between that type of work and the ones illegals perform.

Are you nautrally this stupid or is it just an act?

 

[1EZduzit]

So nobody else has anything to say about the Mexican goverment giving tax breaks to "guest workers" in the US?

 

[blahblah99]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: blahblah99

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: bamacre


And I disagree. I've seen it with my own eyes, and my experience is quite different. Of course, this is all generalization we are spewing. There are a lot of Americans who just don't want to work, and there are also a lot that do. There are jobs out there that pay more than the minimum, but pay more because people won't do them. I worked in a call center here in Memphis for years, an easy job, very easy. And yet, people won't do it.

We had a call center here for Citibank and people were standing in line to work there. It was easy work, paid $10/hr with insurance, but they closed it up and moved it to India.

That job requires English and communication skills. Perhaps that might have flew over your head, but others can see the difference between that type of work and the ones illegals perform.

Are you nautrally this stupid or is it just an act?

Are you NATURALLY stubborn or do you just act this way all the time?

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Bullsht, show me proof that Americans won't do those jobs for minimum wage. I've done everything from a dishwasher to a cook to a tree trimmer to a road asphalt crew to pay my way through college. At 2 of those jobs, I made minimum wage, but was happy just to earn any cash to help pay for books and tuition. Don't tell me that Americans won't do the jobs, that's BS.

I couldn't agree more.

Its not just the crap jobs anymore, construction jobs are dominated by the illegal sector, tell me a citizen wouldnt work those jobs, of course they dont pay anything anymore. Its not that we wont do the jobs, its that the illegal sector has drivin down the wages so we cant do them and survive....

 

[blahblah99]

Originally posted by: AAjax

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Bullsht, show me proof that Americans won't do those jobs for minimum wage. I've done everything from a dishwasher to a cook to a tree trimmer to a road asphalt crew to pay my way through college. At 2 of those jobs, I made minimum wage, but was happy just to earn any cash to help pay for books and tuition. Don't tell me that Americans won't do the jobs, that's BS.

I couldn't agree more.

Its not just the crap jobs anymore, construction jobs are dominated by the illegal sector, tell me a citizen wouldnt work those jobs, of course they dont pay anything anymore. Its not that we wont do the jobs, its that the illegal sector has drivin down the wages so we cant do them and survive....

Really? So how do you explain this?


Or this?

It's no wonder the illegal sector has such an impact on wages - because laws & rules like those ALLOW the labor market wages to be pushed down. So before you blame your neighbor, make sure you look in your own backyard.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: blahblah99

Originally posted by: AAjax

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Bullsht, show me proof that Americans won't do those jobs for minimum wage. I've done everything from a dishwasher to a cook to a tree trimmer to a road asphalt crew to pay my way through college. At 2 of those jobs, I made minimum wage, but was happy just to earn any cash to help pay for books and tuition. Don't tell me that Americans won't do the jobs, that's BS.

I couldn't agree more.

Its not just the crap jobs anymore, construction jobs are dominated by the illegal sector, tell me a citizen wouldnt work those jobs, of course they dont pay anything anymore. Its not that we wont do the jobs, its that the illegal sector has drivin down the wages so we cant do them and survive....

Really? So how do you explain this?


Or this?

It's no wonder the illegal sector has such an impact on wages - because laws & rules like those ALLOW the labor market wages to be pushed down. So before you blame your neighbor, make sure you look in your own backyard.

I personally was speaking of the greater Los Angeles area, but take what I said in any context that make you feel better.

 

[DanceMan]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
So nobody else has anything to say about the Mexican goverment giving tax breaks to "guest workers" in the US?

I don't think it's fair to fault the Mexican government for doing this, when the US govenment gives tax breaks for companies that move jobs out of the US.

 

[blahblah99]

Originally posted by: AAjax

Originally posted by: blahblah99

Originally posted by: AAjax

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Bullsht, show me proof that Americans won't do those jobs for minimum wage. I've done everything from a dishwasher to a cook to a tree trimmer to a road asphalt crew to pay my way through college. At 2 of those jobs, I made minimum wage, but was happy just to earn any cash to help pay for books and tuition. Don't tell me that Americans won't do the jobs, that's BS.

I couldn't agree more.

Its not just the crap jobs anymore, construction jobs are dominated by the illegal sector, tell me a citizen wouldnt work those jobs, of course they dont pay anything anymore. Its not that we wont do the jobs, its that the illegal sector has drivin down the wages so we cant do them and survive....

Really? So how do you explain this?


Or this?

It's no wonder the illegal sector has such an impact on wages - because laws & rules like those ALLOW the labor market wages to be pushed down. So before you blame your neighbor, make sure you look in your own backyard.

I personally was speaking of the greater Los Angeles area, but take what I said in any context that make you feel better.

Yeah, but this problem is prevalant nationwide, not just in Los Angeles, eh?

 

[judasmachine]

Mexico's southern border security is actually a war that has been going on for a very long time with indigenious peoples.

 

[blahblah99]

Originally posted by: DanceMan

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
So nobody else has anything to say about the Mexican goverment giving tax breaks to "guest workers" in the US?

I don't think it's fair to fault the Mexican government for doing this, when the US govenment gives tax breaks for companies that move jobs out of the US.

Which is a perfect example of what I've been screaming all along: Ultimate hypocracy.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
http://www.embassyofmexico.org/eng/inde...=com_content&task=view&id=196&Itemid=2">Message from President Vicente Fox</a>

We want to have a safe border for the benefit of our citizens and for the benefit of our relationship with the United States. Likewise, we have intensified our actions with the OASISS Project. We are going after the criminals that are trafficking with people that are, let's say, promoting illegally the movement of citizens to the United States -- the alien smugglers. We have stopped more than 120 of these criminals, alien smugglers. Likewise, in the southern border, as President Bush said, we are very active, very active on what has to do with patrol, constructions of different stations so as to stop migrants, illegal migrants, people that are coming illegally to the Mexican territory, and sending them back to their own countries with due respect to human rights. But we're doing an efficient work in that sense.

Well I feel so much safer now that Mexico has their southern boarder under control, now if we could just get some help on the northern border. With US dollars sent home by illegals being Mexico's second biggest source of income, I wouldn't hold my breath while waiting for that help. 😀

What Bush said

Today we had a very important discussion. We discussed border security. The President understands and I understand we have an obligation to secure our borders. And I want to thank your government for sending out such a strong statement about the need for -- that the shared responsibility we have. In other words, border security is not just one country's prerogative; it's the prerogative and duty of both countries. And we spent time talking about how to work together to continue to strengthen that cooperation necessary to do our duty.

I also appreciate the President's work to enforce Mexico's southern border. It's a difficult job, but, nevertheless, the President shared with me the strategies he's employing to do that job, as well.

Obviously, the migration issue came up. I told the President there is a legislative process that's going forward, and that it may look cumbersome to some, but that's how our democracy works. I told the President that I am committed to having a comprehensive immigration bill on my desk. And by "comprehensive" I mean not only border security -- a bill that has border security in it, a bill that has interior enforcement in it, but a bill that has a worker permit program in it. And that's an important part of having a border that works.

We don't want people sneaking into our country that are going to do jobs Americans won't do, we want them coming in, in an orderly way -- which will take pressure off of both our borders. And I explained to the President my vision of the citizenship issue. I don't believe somebody should be allowed to come into our country and get ahead of the line, the citizenship line.

We don't need citizens, just cheap labor to do the jobs that the citizens won't???

Bullsht, show me proof that Americans won't do those jobs for minimum wage. I've done everything from a dishwasher to a cook to a tree trimmer to a road asphalt crew to pay my way through college. At 2 of those jobs, I made minimum wage, but was happy just to earn any cash to help pay for books and tuition. Don't tell me that Americans won't do the jobs, that's BS.

If Americans will do them, why do we have 5% unemployment and at least 10% of our workforce illegals?

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

The President understands and I understand we have an obligation to secure our borders.

Now that is a Bushism! Ok, we should interpret it as "President Fox understands and I understand".

Sorry, I like to make fun of everyone and the way we speak in particular.

Back to the serious side. If he understands that we have an obligation to secure our borders then why the H*#! does he keep us from securing our borders!



[/quote]We don't want people sneaking into our country that are going to do jobs Americans won't do, we want them coming in, in an orderly way -- which will take pressure off of both our borders. And I explained to the President my vision of the citizenship issue. I don't believe somebody should be allowed to come into our country and get ahead of the line, the citizenship line.[/quote]

Sorry, at this point I don't want anyone coming in on an "unwanted guest worker" program. This has proven to be a failure over the past 20 years and most notably when law breakers can protest illegally and be rewarded for their actions.

As the OP stated, citizens of the U.S. have done the work in the past and would do the work in the future but too many like having slaves to pick their cotton.

 

[BBond]

The market will adjust for the lack of ILLEGAL invaders.

I have a message for vicente fox and his partner in crime, george bush, GET YOUR ILLEGAL INVADERS THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY AND SECURE OUR BORDERS TO PREVENT THEM FROM RETURNING!

Since when does the United States of America allow foreign governments to set our immigration and border security policies?

Answer: since george w. bush took over.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
http://www.embassyofmexico.org/eng/inde...=com_content&task=view&id=196&Itemid=2">Message from President Vicente Fox</a>

We want to have a safe border for the benefit of our citizens and for the benefit of our relationship with the United States. Likewise, we have intensified our actions with the OASISS Project. We are going after the criminals that are trafficking with people that are, let's say, promoting illegally the movement of citizens to the United States -- the alien smugglers. We have stopped more than 120 of these criminals, alien smugglers. Likewise, in the southern border, as President Bush said, we are very active, very active on what has to do with patrol, constructions of different stations so as to stop migrants, illegal migrants, people that are coming illegally to the Mexican territory, and sending them back to their own countries with due respect to human rights. But we're doing an efficient work in that sense.

Well I feel so much safer now that Mexico has their southern boarder under control, now if we could just get some help on the northern border. With US dollars sent home by illegals being Mexico's second biggest source of income, I wouldn't hold my breath while waiting for that help. 😀

What Bush said

Today we had a very important discussion. We discussed border security. The President understands and I understand we have an obligation to secure our borders. And I want to thank your government for sending out such a strong statement about the need for -- that the shared responsibility we have. In other words, border security is not just one country's prerogative; it's the prerogative and duty of both countries. And we spent time talking about how to work together to continue to strengthen that cooperation necessary to do our duty.

I also appreciate the President's work to enforce Mexico's southern border. It's a difficult job, but, nevertheless, the President shared with me the strategies he's employing to do that job, as well.

Obviously, the migration issue came up. I told the President there is a legislative process that's going forward, and that it may look cumbersome to some, but that's how our democracy works. I told the President that I am committed to having a comprehensive immigration bill on my desk. And by "comprehensive" I mean not only border security -- a bill that has border security in it, a bill that has interior enforcement in it, but a bill that has a worker permit program in it. And that's an important part of having a border that works.

We don't want people sneaking into our country that are going to do jobs Americans won't do, we want them coming in, in an orderly way -- which will take pressure off of both our borders. And I explained to the President my vision of the citizenship issue. I don't believe somebody should be allowed to come into our country and get ahead of the line, the citizenship line.

We don't need citizens, just cheap labor to do the jobs that the citizens won't???

Bullsht, show me proof that Americans won't do those jobs for minimum wage. I've done everything from a dishwasher to a cook to a tree trimmer to a road asphalt crew to pay my way through college. At 2 of those jobs, I made minimum wage, but was happy just to earn any cash to help pay for books and tuition. Don't tell me that Americans won't do the jobs, that's BS.

If Americans will do them, why do we have 5% unemployment and at least 10% of our workforce illegals?

10% of our workforce is not illegals, where are you getting this from? It's 3-5%, rofl.