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conjur

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Insurgents on rampage in north Iraq city of Mosul
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/BAK135332.htm
Insurgents set police stations ablaze, stole weapons and brazenly roamed the streets of Mosul on Thursday as Iraq's third largest city appeared to be sliding out of control, residents said...

...In the past three days, there has been a step up in guerrilla activity in Samarra, Baiji, Baquba, Tikrit, Ramadi, areas of Baghdad and in the holy city of Kerbala to the south.

Clashes break out in Iraqi oil city of Baiji
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/OWE167667.htm
Insurgents took to the streets of the oil centre of Baiji in north Iraq on Thursday and clashes broke out with Iraqi security forces, witnesses said...

...Reuters footage showed a pipeline that appeared to have been ripped apart by a bomb. Oil officials said it was a domestic pipeline running to the Dora refinery in Baghdad.

Car Bomb in Central Baghdad Kills 17
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...on_re_mi_ea/iraq_blast
A car bomb exploded in the heart of Baghdad Thursday, killing 17 people and wounding at least eight in a crowded commercial area, police said.

A police captain on the scene, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that the blast had narrowly missed a U.S. convoy that passed by seconds before.



"Bring it on!"
 

maddogchen

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I attribute it to not enough troops on the ground. They had to pull many troops to surround and attack Fallujah, leaving other areas poorly manned. For example the British Black Watch of 900 troops were called to replace 2000 Marines sent to Fallujah.
 

Kibbo

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Originally posted by: dinkhunter
Originally posted by: conjur


"Bring it on!"

well we cant kill them when they hiding at home can we.

Sure you can, just use the famous line from the First Crusades: "Kill 'em all, and let God sort them out."

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
I attribute it to not enough troops on the ground. They had to pull many troops to surround and attack Fallujah, leaving other areas poorly manned. For example the British Black Watch of 900 troops were called to replace 2000 Marines sent to Fallujah.
"What are we gonna see?"


"D-R-A-F-T"
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: maddogchen
I attribute it to not enough troops on the ground. They had to pull many troops to surround and attack Fallujah, leaving other areas poorly manned. For example the British Black Watch of 900 troops were called to replace 2000 Marines sent to Fallujah.
"What are we gonna see?"


"D-R-A-F-T"

why can't they just increase the number of troops like Kerry suggested? provide the funds to recruit more men? I think, not sure, that they met their recruitment requirements this year, why not extend it, there are still people willing to enlist.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: maddogchen
I attribute it to not enough troops on the ground. They had to pull many troops to surround and attack Fallujah, leaving other areas poorly manned. For example the British Black Watch of 900 troops were called to replace 2000 Marines sent to Fallujah.
"What are we gonna see?"


"D-R-A-F-T"
why can't they just increase the number of troops like Kerry suggested? provide the funds to recruit more men? I think, not sure, that they met their recruitment requirements this year, why not extend it, there are still people willing to enlist.
Well, they can keep calling up 57 year-old reservists and keep the stop-loss orders in effect. Keep 'em in for life.

I'll tell ya, the more I hear Bush say he'll send more troops if the generals ask for them the more I think he's forcing them to keep their mouths shut in order to make Rumsfeld's "transformation" complete.
 

Infohawk

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Everything will change once Fallujah is completely razed... because killing civilians stops anger.
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: conjur

I'll tell ya, the more I hear Bush say he'll send more troops if the generals ask for them the more I think he's forcing them to keep their mouths shut in order to make Rumsfeld's "transformation" complete.

I think so too. There are too many recently retired generals stating saying we don't have enough troops and citing unnamed contacts in the military. They're keeping quiet because they're afraid of Rummy.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: conjur

I'll tell ya, the more I hear Bush say he'll send more troops if the generals ask for them the more I think he's forcing them to keep their mouths shut in order to make Rumsfeld's "transformation" complete.
I think so too. There are too many recently retired generals stating saying we don't have enough troops and citing unnamed contacts in the military. They're keeping quiet because they're afraid of Rummy.
Anyone else expecting a record # of new books hitting the shelves sometime around the third week of January, 2009? ;)
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: conjur

I'll tell ya, the more I hear Bush say he'll send more troops if the generals ask for them the more I think he's forcing them to keep their mouths shut in order to make Rumsfeld's "transformation" complete.

I think so too. There are too many recently retired generals stating saying we don't have enough troops and citing unnamed contacts in the military. They're keeping quiet because they're afraid of Rummy.

Correctamundo. The Generals know their beloved careers are over the instant they open their mouths. Shinseki proved that you can be correct all you want but to the BushGod Boys reality is defined by the Bush administration. How do you argue rationally with irrational people? The Generals seem to have concluded that you don't.
 

Spencer278

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: conjur

I'll tell ya, the more I hear Bush say he'll send more troops if the generals ask for them the more I think he's forcing them to keep their mouths shut in order to make Rumsfeld's "transformation" complete.

I think so too. There are too many recently retired generals stating saying we don't have enough troops and citing unnamed contacts in the military. They're keeping quiet because they're afraid of Rummy.

Correctamundo. The Generals know their beloved careers are over the instant they open their mouths. Shinseki proved that you can be correct all you want but to the BushGod Boys reality is defined by the Bush administration. How do you argue rationally with irrational people? The Generals seem to have concluded that you don't.

I'm sure now that the election is over a general will be given the green light to request more troops.
 

dinkhunter

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An estimated 600 rebels have died in the Falluja offensive so far, but the figure had not been confirmed, spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Steve Boylan said in Baghdad.

they are getting wasted like in najaf, and we havent heard much from moqtada since then
 

Passions

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Originally posted by: dinkhunter
An estimated 600 rebels have died in the Falluja offensive so far, but the figure had not been confirmed, spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Steve Boylan said in Baghdad.

they are getting wasted like in najaf, and we havent heard much from moqtada since then

Please don't romanticise the terrorists by calling them rebels. They are savages, terrorists, villians, etc.

Rebels were scotts, american colonists, french resistance during wwii, etc.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: dinkhunter
An estimated 600 rebels have died in the Falluja offensive so far, but the figure had not been confirmed, spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Steve Boylan said in Baghdad.

they are getting wasted like in najaf, and we havent heard much from moqtada since then
And that's just the insurgents. Wonder how many innocent civilians?
 

conjur

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Troops see more strife in Ramadi
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...2090550_iraqdig14.html
RAMADI, Iraq ? As U.S. Marines and soldiers have blasted their way through Fallujah, another insurgent outpost has grown stronger 30 miles down the road in Ramadi.

Insurgent attacks on U.S. troops here have markedly intensified in the past two weeks, and enemy combatants are now conducting a more determined battle, commanders say.

"My personal take is that Ramadi is a less-publicized Fallujah, in the sense of the combat you face every time you go into town," said Capt. Ben Siebold, a company commander in an Army battalion. "In the time I've been here, the nature of the enemy has changed. He's more determined, more organized and a little bit better shot."

Some mosques have been turned into ammo dumps for insurgents who flee to them after taking shots at U.S. convoys with rocket-propelled grenades and mortars.

"Ramadi is really out of control, and they needed another infantry battalion in the city," said Lt. Col. Justin Gubler, commander of the 1st Battalion, 503rd Infantry. Up to 150 foreign fighters are in the city, he said. "We've seen an increase in their proficiency and their will to fight."

Senator questions size of U.S. force

BAGHDAD, Iraq ? A breakout of violence in the relatively calm city of Mosul that forced the United States to divert an Army unit from the attack on Fallujah this week has raised questions about whether the 142,000 U.S. troops in Iraq are enough to do the job.

"In my mind, there's a legitimate issue about the number of troops," said Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., a former 82nd Airborne officer visiting Iraq this weekend.

Although hundreds of Iraqi and U.S. reinforcements from elsewhere in Iraq were quickly ordered to shore up defenses in Mosul, the top U.S. commander there said he did not need more troops.

"I'm satisfied that the forces assigned to me are adequate for the mission," Brig. Gen. Carter Ham, who commands 8,000 U.S. troops in northern Iraq, said yesterday. Ham said the issue is not more U.S. forces, but training and equipping Iraqi police and soldiers.

He said many of the Iraqi police in Mosul abandoned their posts to the insurgents. "It was very disappointing," Ham said.

Islamist video warns of a widening conflict

BAGHDAD, Iraq ? Islamist groups, including one led by Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, vowed in a video obtained yesterday to take their battle in Fallujah to all corners of Iraq.

A masked gunman reading a joint statement from several militant groups also warned Iraqi government workers and soldiers would be targeted unless they stopped work immediately.

"All citizens must stay away from places where American troops, pagan army and collaborator police are present," the gunman also warned.

The video, obtained by Reuters in Fallujah, showed three masked men carrying assault rifles and a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. It could not be immediately authenticated.


ALSO

An Iraqi Red Crescent convoy reached Fallujah yesterday with the first aid since U.S.-led forces began to blast their way in Monday. It is unclear how many of Fallujah's 300,000 people remain in the city. There has also been no firm word on civilian casualties.

Seventy-three U.S. soldiers from Iraq were flown yesterday to a military hospital in Ramstein, Germany, most of them wounded in the battle for Fallujah, officials said. The new patients pushed the number of arrivals last week to 412.

The Shiite Muslim mayor of a Baghdad suburb of Abu Dashir district was shot to death Friday, witnesses said yesterday. They said Nouri al-Rubaie was killed while he was walking with his family on a busy street. His predecessor was assassinated last spring.
Good to see more and more areas of Iraq embracing their freedom that's on the march.

And, good to see Bush's claims of 100,000 trained Iraqis and many more by EOY are valid claims.






Oh wait....
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: dinkhunter
An estimated 600 rebels have died in the Falluja offensive so far, but the figure had not been confirmed, spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Steve Boylan said in Baghdad.

they are getting wasted like in najaf, and we havent heard much from moqtada since then

CNN this morning: Over 1000 insurgants have died along with 31 US soldiers.

 

conjur

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US fails to knock out rebels
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4015909.stm
The attacks by Sunni insurgents in Mosul, Baquba and elsewhere in Iraq suggest that the insurgency is likely to continue despite the victory of US and Iraqi Government forces in Falluja.

Lightly-armed insurgent forces are like grains of sand.

As combat power is deployed against them they tend to drift away, either going to ground or seeking another battlefield on which to fight.

This is exactly what has happened in Falluja.

While US troops are largely in control of the town they are still meeting sporadic pockets of quite fierce resistance.

Elsewhere it is clear that some insurgents left Falluja before the US-led assault and have embarked upon a co-ordinated series of attacks in Baquba, Suweira and Mosul.

This implies a reasonably sophisticated level of centralised command.


But in military terms it is far from clear what these various attacks amount to.

The insurgents appear to have suffered serious losses in Falluja, but not necessarily a knockout blow.


Sporadic violence

Yet again it is clear that the US simply doesn't have sufficient troops on the ground to maintain order in several key cities at once while launching a major offensive against another.

Now a light armoured brigade has been moved on from Falluja towards Mosul.

This is a strategically important city - close to the northern oilfields and astride routes into Turkey.

It is also ethnically very mixed. Saddam Hussein's efforts to Arabise the city by moving in his Sunni supporters inevitably created tensions.

And these tensions give the violence in Mosul an added inter-ethnic dimension.

Once Falluja is secure the US may have more troops available to put down the sporadic violence elsewhere.

But it is still far from clear what message Sunni leaders have taken from the Falluja operation.

Will they now be willing to join the political process in Iraq or will their bitterness towards the Americans and the interim Iraqi government be even greater?
I think we know the answer to that last question considering that Sunni Party senior member was arrested for apparently voicing opposition to the Falluja assault.
 

conjur

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US Marines gear up to 'cleanse' Mosul
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php...k_id=2813&set_id=1
Mosul - United States-backed Iraqi commandos were poised on Friday to storm rebel strongholds in the northern city of Mosul, as American military commanders said they had "broken the back" of the insurgency with their assault on the former rebel bastion of Fallujah.

A US Marine and an Iraqi soldier were killed in Fallujah Thursday, as 17 other people died in attacks elsewhere in Iraq, while Australia's last remaining aid agency in Iraq announced it was pulling out of the country.

The Marine and soldier died during mop-up operations in the Fallujah, raising the coalition toll in the fighting to retake the city to 51 US dead and eight Iraqis, the top US Marine commander there said.

US-led troops continued to engage in sporadic battles against rebels in Fallujah after launching a major assault to wrest the Sunni Muslim city west of Baghdad from insurgents on November 8. A total of 1 200 insurgents have been killed.

The US-led assault on Fallujah has "broken the back of the insurgency" in Iraq by taking away its safe haven, scattering operatives and disrupting their command networks, the top US Marine commander in Iraq said.

Lieutenant General John Sattler said the city was secure 11 days after the start of Operation Dawn, but not safe. Heavy fighting was still erupting in some quarters of the city as Marines and Iraqi troops clear buildings of holdouts.

"Based on some of the records and ledgers we've been able to uncover, we feel right now that we have broken the back of the insurgency and we've taken away the safe haven," Sattler said.

The offensive would force the insurgents to set up operations in less familiar areas with untested allies, he added.

But a US Marine intelligence report warned that any significant troop withdrawal from Fallujah would strengthen the insurgency, The New York Times said on Thursday.

The assessment distributed to senior marine and army officers in Iraq said the insurgents would increase in number, carrying out attacks and fomenting unrest.

Military officials in Iraq and Washington disputed the report's findings, saying they represented only the "worst-case assessment" and that in any case US troops would not completely pull out of the city.

The assault on Fallujah, part of a bid to reclaim key rebel enclaves across the country ahead of January elections, has been the largest military operation in Iraq since the March 2003 invasion.

Despite attempts to bring the insurgency to heel before the polls, a statement posted on the website of Sunni Muslim militant group Ansar al-Sunna on Thursday threatened to attack both candidates and voters in elections.

"We will target anyone who dares to stand in these elections," said the statement, whose authenticity could not be independently verified.

As fighting winds down in Fallujah, Iraqi commandos were set to storm rebel strongholds in the main northern city of Mosul, where US-led forces are trying to clear insurgents who overran police stations last week.

"The attempt by insurgents to intimidate and to create instability in Mosul has failed. Iraqi police and other security forces have re-established a firm control of the city," said Thair al-Nakib, a spokesperson for Prime Minister Iyad Allawi.

About 1 200 US soldiers and 1 600 Iraqi troops are taking part in the operation, launched Tuesday after insurgents attacked and torched police stations.

"We will seize all weapons that we find and cleanse this city of criminals and terrorists," said Major General Rashid Flaih of a special commando force sent from Baghdad to help restore order in Mosul.

He said his men are expected to do most of the door-to-door fighting as US troops provide air and ground support.

Meanwhile, Allawi voiced his concern to the US military after footage of a US Marine killing a wounded Iraqi in a Fallujah mosque was broadcast worldwide in an incident that shocked Arab television audiences and dealt a fresh blow to the image of the US-led forces in Iraq.

And Iraqi police arrested a senior aide to radical Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr in the southern city of Najaf, a spokesperson for the firebrand leader said.

Elsewhere, Australia's World Vision announced Friday it is pulling out after the murders of its own head of operations and CARE Australia aid worker Margaret Hassan.

World's Vision's Iraqi chief, Mohammed Hushiar, was shot dead by unknown gunmen in Mosul on September 29 and Irish-born Iraqi citizen Margaret Hassan is believed to have been murdered earlier this week.

World Vision Australia said the agency had been operating in Iraq for the past 18 months improving schools, hospitals, health clinics and youth sport centres.

"It's work that now has to be handed back to the local ministry of health and the local government bodies there," World Vision Australia head Tim Costello said. "It's sad that it's unfinished work." - Sapa-AFP
 

conjur

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8 Iraqi Guardsmen killed in Ramadi ambush
http://www.boston.com/news/wor...=Boston.com%20/%20News
RAMADI, Iraq -- Insurgents launched a deadly ambush Sunday in the guerrilla stronghold of Ramadi, killing eight Iraqi National Guardsmen and injuring 18 others, police said.

The Iraqi forces were on patrol in the city center when gunmen opened fire on their convoy around 4:00 p.m., said Capt. Nasser Abdullah from the Anbar provincial police force.

Abdul Moneim Aftan, head of Ramadi General Hospital, said all of the casualties suffered from gunshot wounds.

U.S. and Iraqi troops have been battling insurgents every day for weeks in Ramadi, located 70 miles west of Baghdad.
Those insurgents seem effective at fighting with broken backs.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: dinkhunter
An estimated 600 rebels have died in the Falluja offensive so far, but the figure had not been confirmed, spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Steve Boylan said in Baghdad.

they are getting wasted like in najaf, and we havent heard much from moqtada since then

Please don't romanticise the terrorists by calling them rebels. They are savages, terrorists, villians, etc.

Rebels were scotts, american colonists, french resistance during wwii, etc.

No, i'm pretty sure that the scotts, americans, and french resistance were all terrorists.
 

BBond

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Bush calls the Chechens 'rebels' even though his friend Vladimir insists they're terrorists.