Mentally ill murderer gets weapons permit from police and buys arsenal.

[Engineer]

http://rt.com/usa/news/gun-permit-arsenal-oberender-512/

According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, a 14-year-old Oberender killed his mother with five blasts from a shotgun in 1995. Still a minor, Oberender was sentenced to an extended stay at a mental institution and was determined by officials to be mentally ill and dangerous. Just last year, however, he applied for a gun permit, had his request approved and eventually amassed a collection of over one dozen guns in under a year. The paper says Oberender had 13 guns, including semi-automatic rifles, an AK-47, shotguns and a .50-caliber Desert Eagle when police picked him up earlier this month.

Now that worked well, didn't it? How can we as a nation fix this so that these kind of people "at least" can't just walk in, get a permit and buy weapons at will? The background check system is fucked and basically useless when you consider people like this "slipped through" the system.

How can this be avoided? (honest question and I don't know the answer). I know there will be people here who will say that this man would have gotten them one way or another, and that may be true. How do we stop it?

By the way, I saw this on CNN and he basically swapped his first and middle names and was approved. How can this happen so easily?

 

[Jaskalas]

By the way, I saw this on CNN and he basically swapped his first and middle names and was approved. How can this happen so easily?

Maybe if the person they claimed to be actually existed in the first place... you know, as a requirement to pass the background check.

This is a crystal clear example of a problem that can have legislation we'd all agree on.

 

[footballrunner800]

woah

 

[Engineer]

woah

Doesn't look any different than an "average Joe" on the street. Could have been somebody at the Walmart garage, a machinist, factory worker. Nothing scarey about that photo (assuming that's what you meant).

 

[Nintendesert]

I'm fairly certain this is what the President's executive orders were designed to fix and pretty much what most people agree on in the gun debate. Keeping guns out of the hands of those that shouldn't have them vs. keeping them out of law abiding citizens hands.

It's just like the murdering nut that killed the firefighters couldn't own guns and had someone else go buy the guns for him. I haven't heard what happened to that chick yet, though I'm sure she'll be going to prison for a very very long time. (or should.)

 

[Genx87]

http://rt.com/usa/news/gun-permit-arsenal-oberender-512/



Now that worked well, didn't it? How can we as a nation fix this so that these kind of people "at least" can't just walk in, get a permit and buy weapons at will? The background check system is fucked and basically useless when you consider people like this "slipped through" the system.

How can this be avoided? (honest question and I don't know the answer). I know there will be people here who will say that this man would have gotten them one way or another, and that may be true. How do we stop it?

By the way, I saw this on CNN and he basically swapped his first and middle names and was approved. How can this happen so easily?

What was the local police dept and federal background check doing? The MN state permit to purchase a pistol or AR requires a SS#. How did they let through somebody using a SS# that didn't have a matching name? I also believe the federal background check requires a SS#. It has been a couple year since I bought my 1911. But I just went through the MN state pistol permit application less than a month ago. I have to submit the permit to my local law enforcement and 2 weeks later they approved me.

 

[spidey07]

He was a juvenile. Those records were likely expunged. A background check came back clean.

 

[Engineer]

He was a juvenile. Those records were likely expunged. A background check came back clean.

If his record has been expunged, how would they know that he was a "felon" and now being held on $1,000,000 bond for possession of firearms by a felon?

 

[spidey07]

If his record has been expunged, how would they know that he was a "felon" and now being held on $1,000,000 bond for possession of firearms by a felon?

The article says he was recognized by somebody who worked on the original case.

Maybe the felony was mistakenly removed.

Or more possible, he obtained the weapons illegally. Nothing in the article says he purchased them at a store or legally. In fact, he must have obtained the weapons illegally if he was a felon because it's illegal for a felon to own or purchase firearms.

Seems some dishonest reporting to push an agenda.

 

[Doppel]

Like the guy in new york recently who shot the fire fighters after hammering his grandmother's skull in a couple decades before. If you murder somebody and you're ever let loose you should be watched closely until the day you die.

Also FIVE shotgun blasts is not killing her, that's mutilating here and is some screwed up shit.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The article says he was recognized by somebody who worked on the original case.

Maybe the felony was mistakenly removed.

Or more possible, he obtained the weapons illegally. Nothing in the article says he purchased them at a store or legally. In fact, he must have obtained the weapons illegally if he was a felon because it's illegal for a felon to own or purchase firearms.

Seems some dishonest reporting to push an agenda.

It says he applied for and was issued a gun permit. Now he is charged with possession by a felon. Clearly the record was not expunged. Clearly it is not dishonest reporting.

 

[Anarchist420]

He was a juvenile. Those records were likely expunged. A background check came back clean.

+1.

The article says he was recognized by somebody who worked on the original case.

Maybe the felony was mistakenly removed.

Or more possible, he obtained the weapons illegally. Nothing in the article says he purchased them at a store or legally. In fact, he must have obtained the weapons illegally if he was a felon because it's illegal for a felon to own or purchase firearms.

Seems some dishonest reporting to push an agenda.

+2.

 

[Lanyap]

Like the guy in new york recently who shot the fire fighters after hammering his grandmother's skull in a couple decades before. If you murder somebody and you're ever let loose you should be watched closely until the day you die.

Also FIVE shotgun blasts is not killing her, that's mutilating here and is some screwed up shit.

Who is going to watch them closely?

 

[irishScott]

Who is going to watch them closely?

Obama, obviously. With Joe Biden manning the cameras for the graveyard shift.

 

[Doppel]

Who is going to watch them closely?

State needs to pay for it. Will still be cheaper than housing them in prison for the rest of their lives. Really isn't tricky; the state already watches people on probation so perhaps these people need to be on probation forever. Or an ankle monitor forever and when they exhibit certain behaviors (e.g. regularly going to a gun store) it red-flags a visit from the probation officer.

People who put 5 shells into their mother are no like the rest of us. We have to live with them, ostensibly they are people in the same society as us, but in reality they are different beings and must be treated differently.

 

[Agent11]

Cheaper and more effective to hang them.

 

[irishScott]

Cheaper and more effective to hang them.

I'd prefer televised firing squad. Don't just tell people the punishment, let them see it. I imagine it would deter mucho crime.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Cheaper and more effective to hang them.

I got a better idea...Instead for the rest of us to subsidize their living for a being a murderer lets have them work for their living till their end of days in a detention facility or they will put on death row.

 

[momeNt]

More proof that government is poorly equipped to handle any task.

If you think this will be any better if the background check is taken over federally, well then there is just no helping you.

 

[xj0hnx]

It says he applied for and was issued a gun permit. Now he is charged with possession by a felon. Clearly the record was not expunged. Clearly it is not dishonest reporting.

But it doesn't say WHERE he bought them. This article is most definitely an agenda piece that is missing facts, you can tell because of this ...

The paper says Oberender had 13 guns, including semi-automatic rifles, an AK-47, shotguns and a .50-caliber Desert Eagle

Civilian AK-47 variants are semi-automatic, but they just had to include AK-47 for shock value, even though it was not an AK-47, but a semi-automatic civilian variant.

 

[xj0hnx]

More proof that government is poorly equipped to handle any task.

If you think this will be any better if the background check is taken over federally, well then there is just no helping you.

NICS is a federal background check. it's run by the FBI.

 

[momeNt]

NICS is a federal background check. it's run by the FBI.

Yes, all levels of government are naturally inept. They suffer from a lack of competition and their constituents are more like cattle than the rabid wolves they ought to be.

 

[sourn]

My question is exactly what agenda are they pushing.

That they failed to keep guns out of the hands of somebody who already shouldn't have been able to by them because their incompetent and more laws will make them less so?

This could've been avoided if people at the wheel weren't asleep.

Pretty sad they want to push more gun control laws, but fail miserably on the ones we already have.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

But it doesn't say WHERE he bought them. This article is most definitely an agenda piece that is missing facts, you can tell because of this ...

http://rt.com/usa/news/gun-permit-arsenal-oberender-512/

Speaking to a local NBC affiliate, a spokesperson for Minnesota’s Bureau of Criminal Apprehension says they never had a record detailing Oberender’s sordid past.

"The BCA relies on entities in the criminal justice system to provide data on an individual which then populates the individual's criminal history. There were no data submitted to the BCA about this individual – without it there can be no record,” the statement reads.

Kamerud adds to the Herald-Journal that "any purchasing of guns by him was never legal but it was possible because the disqualifiers weren't in place." The Star Tribune reports that the BCA couldn’t find a fingerprint card from the 1995 murder case and no case disposition was ever filed.

The reporting on it is fine. The system is horribly broken.

 

[Zebo]

Background checks are absurd. Is a felon not entitled to self defense? Is a felon who paid his dues not entitled to Constitutional rights like speech? If he's to crazy kill him or life in prison - having no guns wont stop crazy.

You can do more DPS with a couple mason jars of gasoline than any gun.