Mental Illness is very real

[spidey07]

Don't know why I'm posting this. Just reading some posts got me thinking...

Mental Illness is very real, those that have been stricken with it our had to deal with it in their family one way or another understand. It is very much a disease, a person is sick...very sick. It has been frowned upon by society for a long time and in the last 15 years we are only just beginning to understand it.

So the only real reason for this post is mental illness is a sick person, and that person needs help. It just doesn't "go away" and people can't just "snap out of it" and it is hereditary.

Let's do the best we can to help those who are sick, because without treatment they are forever ill.

signed,
your pseudo psychoanalyst with no qualifications whatsoever,
spidey

 

[Conky]

Zip it, nutzy.

 

[Regs]

So was I suppose to reply to this message or no? Trick question? Wait..........

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: spidey07
without treatment they are forever ill.

Nah... really?

 

[KarenMarie]

I think a lot of is it dietary, environmental and social.

i am not saying that ppl who suffer are psychosematic... i am saying that i do not believe that all of a sudden an entire generation of ppl have a high number of mental problems. I think it has to do with the foods we eat, the pressures of the almighty dollar, what we are doing to the environment and some of it is also political.

Just my $0.05

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I think a lot of is it dietary, environmental and social.

i am not saying that ppl who suffer are psychosematic... i am saying that i do not believe that all of a sudden an entire generation of ppl have a high number of mental problems. I think it has to do with the foods we eat, the pressures of the almighty dollar, what we are doing to the environment and some of it is also political.

Just my $0.05

I agree. I think many people look towards pills for a solution when a stressful lifestyle and poor eating habits can make people mentally unstable. It is very complex.

 

[Inappropriate4AT]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I think a lot of is it dietary, environmental and social.

i am not saying that ppl who suffer are psychosematic... i am saying that i do not believe that all of a sudden an entire generation of ppl have a high number of mental problems. I think it has to do with the foods we eat, the pressures of the almighty dollar, what we are doing to the environment and some of it is also political.

Just my $0.05

I agree with most of this, I believe the only true ailments are physical, and mental ones being those that are related to physical trauma, such as brain damage. We live in a world where everything is now a disorder, and there's always a pill to go with it. Fatigue a condition, obesity caused by stress hormones? Come on.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I think a lot of is it dietary, environmental and social.

i am not saying that ppl who suffer are psychosematic... i am saying that i do not believe that all of a sudden an entire generation of ppl have a high number of mental problems. I think it has to do with the foods we eat, the pressures of the almighty dollar, what we are doing to the environment and some of it is also political.

Just my $0.05

Well...I respectfully disagree.

Mental illness has been around for as long as people and recorded history.

But, what we modern folk tend to call mental illness is bupkus IMO.

The 1980's saw the birth of the "social acceptability" of prozac, lithium, xanax and the like.

The 1990's saw the "normality" of "mental illness" and the abuse of previously stated drugs to deal with it.

2000 and later..."mental illness" has become normal. I'm not talking about people that argue with imaginary beings and/or throw themselves out of windows.

I'm talking primarily about "depressed people."

To me, most of them just need an ass beating. A reality smack. These days, the "sad" are coddled, given psychosomatic drugs and made to feel pitied.

I thow the bvllshit flag on that one. Thirty years ago, they would be smacked, belittled and fired and told to "Get the hell over it."

I work with a woman that has had postpartum depression FOR TWO FRICKIN' YEARS NOW! :ROLLEYES; Give me a break.

Um, I've had friends and parents die. I've been fired, penniless and almost homeless. I've been cheated on, dumped, left, ostracized and ridiculed.

I got over it. Sure, I'm bitter, but I'm not "depressed." OH<POOR MEEEEEEE. I need drugs. I can't perform at work. Pity me.

IMO, 90% of "mental illness" these days is total crap. It's attention whores plying their trade.

That said, thank you for hearing me out.

 

[KarenMarie]

As I said... i do not think it is pyschosematic.

but the food we eat, the pressures of life, politics, and much more... has increased these problems.

there are pills for everything now. and at the slighest little complaint, there is a doctor who is only more than willing to advise popping a little magic pill glady provided by the pharm companies.

hellfire, look at how many kids we are pumping full of ritalin!!! cant get them to behave? give em drugs and call it ADD. Dont try discipline or change of diet or more time with the parents... first thing is pop a pill.

i think that many, not all, but many ppl want the easy way out and are willing to pop a pill to get it. no shrinks, exercise, change of diet or livestyle... just pop that pill. I am curious as to the % of ppl who are taking these drugs that could be better with life changes?

Mental illness has been around since the dawn of time. But it has not always been epidemic.

 

[Auryg]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I think a lot of is it dietary, environmental and social.

i am not saying that ppl who suffer are psychosematic... i am saying that i do not believe that all of a sudden an entire generation of ppl have a high number of mental problems. I think it has to do with the foods we eat, the pressures of the almighty dollar, what we are doing to the environment and some of it is also political.

Just my $0.05

Well...I respectfully disagree.

Mental illness has been around for as long as people and recorded history.

The 1980's saw the birth of the "social acceptability" of prozac, lithium, xanax and the like.

The 1990's saw the "normality" of "mental illness" and the abuse of previously stated drugs to deal with it.

2000 and later..."mental illness" has become normal. I'm not talking about people that argue with imaginary beings and/or throw themselves out of windows.

I'm talking primarily about "depressed people."

To me, most of them just need an ass beating. A reality smack. These days, the "sad" are coddled, given psychosomatic drugs and made to feel pitied.

I thow the bvllshit flag on that one. Thirty years ago, they would be smacked, belittled and fired and told to "Get the hell over it."

I work with a woman that has had postpartum depression FOR TWO FRICKIN' YEARS NOW! :ROLLEYES; Give me a break.

Um, I've had friends and parents die. I've been fired, penniless and almost homeless. I've been cheated on, dumped, left, ostracized and ridiculed.

I got over it. Sure, I'm bitter, but I'm not "depressed." OH<POOR MEEEEEEE. I need drugs. I can't perform at work. Pity me.

IMO, 90% of "mental illness" these days is total crap. It's attention whores plying their trade.

That said, thank you for hearing me out.

While I would agree that antidepressants are overprescribed, you should realise that a large portion of people that are taking them have no other recourse.

I myself am on an SSRI. I didn't get depression from any particular bad thing happening to me..I've actually had a pretty good life so far. However, in about 9th grade I started needing tons of sleep. It was a slow fall in to depression, so I didn't notice it. I'm a senior this year and just went on drugs not too long ago.

I didn't realise it until I went on the drugs, but life was...dull. Very dull. I didn't ever feel happy...excited...etc. I didn't remember being any different. It was like those emotions just weren't a part of me and I didn't really know what they were. It's very much like when I got glasses in 5th grade..I didn't realise everyone else could see better than me.

Now that I know that I have a problem, I'm working towards getting better. More excercise, trying to get out more, stuff like that...but without the drugs I would have never known that I even had depression, and it'd probably be a heck of a lot harder to get better.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Zip it, nutzy.

F you crazyfool!!!!



I love you man!

F you crazyfool

hmmm, mood swings???

 

[Auryg]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
As I said... i do not think it is pyschosematic.

but the food we eat, the pressures of life, politics, and much more... has increased these problems.

there are pills for everything now. and at the slighest little complaint, there is a doctor who is only more than willing to advise popping a little magic pill glady provided by the pharm companies.

hellfire, look at how many kids we are pumping full of ritalin!!! cant get them to behave? give em drugs and call it ADD. Dont try discipline or change of diet or more time with the parents... first thing is pop a pill.

i think that many, not all, but many ppl want the easy way out and are willing to pop a pill to get it. no shrinks, exercise, change of diet or livestyle... just pop that pill. I am curious as to the % of ppl who are taking these drugs that could be better with life changes?

Mental illness has been around since the dawn of time. But it has not always been epidemic.

It is very much psychosomatic, atleast in some cases. My mom suffered from depression. There's a big chance of it running in family lines, even with good parenting and a good household.

Yes, everything has a pill now. I agree that some kids just need a good little beating. However, my cousin has (had? haven't seen him in years) really, really bad ADHD. This was before it was popularized. It was like he was on speed all the time. It wasn't a parenting problem.

So yes, a lot of drugs are overprescribed, but there are very real cases of it out there. Until just recently they thought schizophrenia was all in a person's head, and now they know it's genetic, but it needs something to set it off. We're just starting to really learn about the brain and how it works, don't be so eager to stick to old fashioned thinking.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I think a lot of is it dietary, environmental and social.

i am not saying that ppl who suffer are psychosematic... i am saying that i do not believe that all of a sudden an entire generation of ppl have a high number of mental problems. I think it has to do with the foods we eat, the pressures of the almighty dollar, what we are doing to the environment and some of it is also political.

Just my $0.05

Well...I respectfully disagree.

Mental illness has been around for as long as people and recorded history.

The 1980's saw the birth of the "social acceptability" of prozac, lithium, xanax and the like.

The 1990's saw the "normality" of "mental illness" and the abuse of previously stated drugs to deal with it.

2000 and later..."mental illness" has become normal. I'm not talking about people that argue with imaginary beings and/or throw themselves out of windows.

I'm talking primarily about "depressed people."

To me, most of them just need an ass beating. A reality smack. These days, the "sad" are coddled, given psychosomatic drugs and made to feel pitied.

I thow the bvllshit flag on that one. Thirty years ago, they would be smacked, belittled and fired and told to "Get the hell over it."

I work with a woman that has had postpartum depression FOR TWO FRICKIN' YEARS NOW! :ROLLEYES; Give me a break.

Um, I've had friends and parents die. I've been fired, penniless and almost homeless. I've been cheated on, dumped, left, ostracized and ridiculed.

I got over it. Sure, I'm bitter, but I'm not "depressed." OH<POOR MEEEEEEE. I need drugs. I can't perform at work. Pity me.

IMO, 90% of "mental illness" these days is total crap. It's attention whores plying their trade.

That said, thank you for hearing me out.

While I would agree that antidepressants are overprescribed, you should realise that a large portion of people that are taking them have no other recourse.

I myself am on an SSRI. I didn't get depression from any particular bad thing happening to me..I've actually had a pretty good life so far. However, in about 9th grade I started needing tons of sleep. It was a slow fall in to depression, so I didn't notice it. I'm a senior this year and just went on drugs not too long ago.

I didn't realise it until I went on the drugs, but life was...dull. Very dull. I didn't ever feel happy...excited...etc. I didn't remember being any different. It was like those emotions just weren't a part of me and I didn't really know what they were. It's very much like when I got glasses in 5th grade..I didn't realise everyone else could see better than me.

Now that I know that I have a problem, I'm working towards getting better. More excercise, trying to get out more, stuff like that...but without the drugs I would have never known that I even had depression, and it'd probably be a heck of a lot harder to get better.

I'm glad to hear that you realize that something's not right AND you are WORKING at fixing it. Hopefully, with the intention of getting completely off the pills.

Some people just are naturally lethargic and maybe a bit...shy. Not antisocial...just shy. That's OK. But if you can eat more *insert food category here* and run a mile every other day and you feel way better, that's your body's way of communicating with you.

Eventually, you won't need pharmacological help.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Just my $0.05

I agree. I think many people look towards pills for a solution when a stressful lifestyle and poor eating habits can make people mentally unstable. It is very complex.
[/quote]

I agree. We americans lead a very stressfull lifestyle.

Complex would be an understatement.

But one cannot dismiss mental illness no matter what the stressors. The body/mind can only take so much.

 

[Regs]

Would this be considered a blog?

 

[Auryg]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I think a lot of is it dietary, environmental and social.

i am not saying that ppl who suffer are psychosematic... i am saying that i do not believe that all of a sudden an entire generation of ppl have a high number of mental problems. I think it has to do with the foods we eat, the pressures of the almighty dollar, what we are doing to the environment and some of it is also political.

Just my $0.05

Well...I respectfully disagree.

Mental illness has been around for as long as people and recorded history.

The 1980's saw the birth of the "social acceptability" of prozac, lithium, xanax and the like.

The 1990's saw the "normality" of "mental illness" and the abuse of previously stated drugs to deal with it.

2000 and later..."mental illness" has become normal. I'm not talking about people that argue with imaginary beings and/or throw themselves out of windows.

I'm talking primarily about "depressed people."

To me, most of them just need an ass beating. A reality smack. These days, the "sad" are coddled, given psychosomatic drugs and made to feel pitied.

I thow the bvllshit flag on that one. Thirty years ago, they would be smacked, belittled and fired and told to "Get the hell over it."

I work with a woman that has had postpartum depression FOR TWO FRICKIN' YEARS NOW! :ROLLEYES; Give me a break.

Um, I've had friends and parents die. I've been fired, penniless and almost homeless. I've been cheated on, dumped, left, ostracized and ridiculed.

I got over it. Sure, I'm bitter, but I'm not "depressed." OH<POOR MEEEEEEE. I need drugs. I can't perform at work. Pity me.

IMO, 90% of "mental illness" these days is total crap. It's attention whores plying their trade.

That said, thank you for hearing me out.

While I would agree that antidepressants are overprescribed, you should realise that a large portion of people that are taking them have no other recourse.

I myself am on an SSRI. I didn't get depression from any particular bad thing happening to me..I've actually had a pretty good life so far. However, in about 9th grade I started needing tons of sleep. It was a slow fall in to depression, so I didn't notice it. I'm a senior this year and just went on drugs not too long ago.

I didn't realise it until I went on the drugs, but life was...dull. Very dull. I didn't ever feel happy...excited...etc. I didn't remember being any different. It was like those emotions just weren't a part of me and I didn't really know what they were. It's very much like when I got glasses in 5th grade..I didn't realise everyone else could see better than me.

Now that I know that I have a problem, I'm working towards getting better. More excercise, trying to get out more, stuff like that...but without the drugs I would have never known that I even had depression, and it'd probably be a heck of a lot harder to get better.

I'm glad to hear that you realize that something's not right AND you are WORKING at fixing it. Hopefully, with the intention of getting completely off the pills.

Some people just are naturally lethargic and maybe a bit...shy. Not antisocial...just shy. That's OK. But if you can eat more *insert food category here* and run a mile every other day and you feel way better, that's your body's way of communicating with you.

Eventually, you won't need pharmacological help.

I hate being dependant on anything, especially pills.

I think why pills are used today so much is because it speeds up recovery so much, if the patient is willing to try. Life isn't going to get better if everything feels hopeless..or atleast it will take a long time. Lincoln had depression..took him years upon years to get out of it, and he never really did.

Also, in the very social world we live in today, if you become reclusive..which I sort of did, hung out with friends and the such but wasn't all that outgoing..you're not going to be all that happy. It was a rare occasion for girls to be interested in me until this year, and I don't even think the pills are helping all that much (might need higher dosage or other pills).

I guess the point i'm trying to get across is some people don't need any pills, some people they will help get better, and (rarely) some will need to be on them their whole life just because how screwed up their brain is. Don't judge everyone the same way.

Edit: And I'm not shy.. It's hard to explain what it was like. But I feel much more like this is the way I'm supposed to be.

 

[MX2]

I'm looking for Pepe

 

[ElFenix]

tom cruise says no.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
As I said... i do not think it is pyschosematic.

but the food we eat, the pressures of life, politics, and much more... has increased these problems.

there are pills for everything now. and at the slighest little complaint, there is a doctor who is only more than willing to advise popping a little magic pill glady provided by the pharm companies.

hellfire, look at how many kids we are pumping full of ritalin!!! cant get them to behave? give em drugs and call it ADD. Dont try discipline or change of diet or more time with the parents... first thing is pop a pill.

i think that many, not all, but many ppl want the easy way out and are willing to pop a pill to get it. no shrinks, exercise, change of diet or livestyle... just pop that pill. I am curious as to the % of ppl who are taking these drugs that could be better with life changes?

Mental illness has been around since the dawn of time. But it has not always been epidemic.

Good point!

Although we have to question "do we understand mental illness much more than we did in the past?"

Our understanding of the mind and just how powerful it is....

I mean I'm all for taking care of whatever ails you without medication. But mental illness is now just beginning to be understood, IMHO.

We have the Internet, the instant on, always on access to information. The brain can only process so much. Fight or Flight IMHO.

 

[OutHouse]

who said that? are you talking to me? who said that? are you talking to me? who said that? are you talking to me? who are you. my frozen toast is better than pepsi.

 

[Krazefinn]

It is definitely not a psychosoamtic disorder. But as all caregivers can attest, many malingerers, miscreants, entitlement seekers and others refusing to acccept any personal responsibility will use any diagnosis, whether physical or psychiatric to bolster their claim. Psych diagnoses lend themselves very well to these types of false claims...

I agree that many of these folks might just be behavioral in nature, and not truly "sick", and coupled with a billions-of dollars pharmaconglomerate industry all too willing to pander to these people seeking the easy cure panacea, one can readily see the potential for such abuses.

But there is no question that genetics, environment, diet/lifestyle, self-medicating with drugs/alcohol, poor stress coping, all share the role in etiology. As the population increases, diagnostic equipment improves, knowledge expands, and more people are exposed to all of those causative factors, it's pretty easy to see that the number of patients would rapidly expand. One of the impediments to differentiating those truly ill vs those seeking secondary benefits (sympathy, disability, excuse for own choices etc) is fact that most psych diagnosis cannot be quantified in the same way an xray, lab test, or distinctive pattern of signs and symptoms can definitively prove, and the diagnosis is made solely on what the patient verbalizes. Same with any improvement brought about by therapy or medication regimen, the patient can claim (they) still hear the same voices or experiences debilitating anxiety...it takes a skilled clinician to carefuly assess the situation and make determination re: patients veracity and if secondary gain is the motivation. The science IS improving, any in many cases organic and quantifiable labtests, imaging, and even structure and analysis of self-reporting techniques are constantly being refined and developed.

But just like any other organ in the human body, a brain can certainly be host to panopoly of disorders, syndromes, symptoms, each of which have potential to present in disparate fashion, further confounding certain and differential diagnosis (and the appropriate treatments).

Its all about human nature...and how modern society seems to deny any personal accountability, demands an easy cure in form of an easy to take pill, refuses to value ethics or honesty (relativism, ends justifying means) and further refuses to address the spiritual needs, instead legislating out all things remotely damaging to individual or racial self esteem. Given this situation, it is certainly not a huge leap to the observation posed in this thread that most of these claims of rampant psych diagnoses are bogus...in a hundred years I think we wil have a completely different understanding of the field, and hopefully we have begun to replace political correctness and generational entitlements, stopped insulating people from their own consequences, and the pendulum will begin to correct. Presently, it is at one extreme. Balance will occur, but it may take a few cycles.

 

[l Xes l]

we can pretty much label every behavior and make it a disease..

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
As I said... i do not think it is pyschosematic.

but the food we eat, the pressures of life, politics, and much more... has increased these problems.

there are pills for everything now. and at the slighest little complaint, there is a doctor who is only more than willing to advise popping a little magic pill glady provided by the pharm companies.

hellfire, look at how many kids we are pumping full of ritalin!!! cant get them to behave? give em drugs and call it ADD. Dont try discipline or change of diet or more time with the parents... first thing is pop a pill.

i think that many, not all, but many ppl want the easy way out and are willing to pop a pill to get it. no shrinks, exercise, change of diet or livestyle... just pop that pill. I am curious as to the % of ppl who are taking these drugs that could be better with life changes?

Mental illness has been around since the dawn of time. But it has not always been epidemic.

Good point!

Although we have to question "do we understand mental illness much more than we did in the past?"

Our understanding of the mind and just how powerful it is....

I mean I'm all for taking care of whatever ails you without medication. But mental illness is now just beginning to be understood, IMHO.

We have the Internet, the instant on, always on access to information. The brain can only process so much. Fight or Flight IMHO.

Understand mental illness....??? not sure. Seems to me that thru out past generations, ppl went to work. But it is my opinion that most ppl, especially in the USA have an easier life in this generation than ever before. In these times, not have nintendo is a hardship. kids spent too much time in front of a puter or gaming system instead of running around playing hide and seek. Parents are working to pay for the second car, instead of for a roof and three squares. kids today are taught from an early age that they have the same rights as adults even though they are sooo not ready to handle it. diets today are filled with preservative, sugars and all sorts of chemicals. even fruit and veg.. hellfire the supermarkets charge 3x the price NOT to have our fruit, veg and meat filled with hormones, steriods and chemicals.

these are different stresses than past generations lived thru and with the advance of modern medicine, there is a pill for everything.

i remember when gas was heart burn. now it is acid reflux disease. i kinda think that many 'illness' and 'diseases' that ppl are given magic pills for are pretty much the same thing.

again, i am not saying that there is no such thing as mental illness. i am saying that my opinion is that there are millions of ppl out there that are popping pills for stuff that can be dealt with thru diet and lifestyle change.

 

[daniel1113]

Sure it's real, but it's also used as an excuse way more than it should be.

 

[SampSon]

Let them be crazy, it adds flavor to life.
If everyone was balanced and even keel what would be the fun in that?