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Men want say in unplanned pregnancy

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/08/fatherhood.suit.ap/index.html


NEW YORK (AP) -- Contending that women have more options than they do in the event of an unintended pregnancy, men's rights activists are mounting a long shot legal campaign aimed at giving them the chance to opt out of financial responsibility for raising a child.

The National Center for Men has prepared a lawsuit -- nicknamed Roe v. Wade for Men -- to be filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Michigan on behalf of a 25-year-old computer programmer ordered to pay child support for his ex-girlfriend's daughter.

The suit addresses the issue of male reproductive rights, contending that lack of such rights violates the U.S. Constitution's equal protection clause.

The gist of the argument: If a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood. The activists involved hope to spark discussion even if they lose.

"There's such a spectrum of choice that women have -- it's her body, her pregnancy and she has the ultimate right to make decisions," said Mel Feit, director of the men's center. "I'm trying to find a way for a man also to have some say over decisions that affect his life profoundly."

Feit's organization has been trying since the early 1990s to pursue such a lawsuit, and finally found a suitable plaintiff in Matt Dubay of Saginaw, Michigan.

Dubay says he has been ordered to pay $500 a month in child support for a girl born last year to his ex-girlfriend. He contends that the woman knew he didn't want to have a child with her and assured him repeatedly that -- because of a physical condition -- she could not get pregnant.

Dubay is braced for the lawsuit to fail.

"What I expect to hear [from the court] is that the way things are is not really fair, but that's the way it is," he said in a telephone interview. "Just to create awareness would be enough, to at least get a debate started."

State courts have ruled in the past that any inequity experienced by men like Dubay is outweighed by society's interest in ensuring that children get financial support from two parents. Melanie Jacobs, a Michigan State University law professor, said the federal court might rule similarly in Dubay's case.

"The courts are trying to say it may not be so fair that this gentleman has to support a child he didn't want, but it's less fair to say society has to pay the support," she said.

Feit, however, says a fatherhood opt-out wouldn't necessarily impose higher costs on society or the mother. A woman who balked at abortion but felt she couldn't afford to raise a child could put the baby up for adoption, he said.
'This is so politically incorrect'

Jennifer Brown of the women's rights advocacy group Legal Momentum objected to the men's center comparing Dubay's lawsuit to Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court ruling establishing a woman's right to have an abortion.

"Roe is based on an extreme intrusion by the government -- literally to force a woman to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want," Brown said. "There's nothing equivalent for men. They have the same ability as women to use contraception, to get sterilized."

Feit counters that the suit's reference to abortion rights is apt.

"Roe says a woman can choose to have intimacy and still have control over subsequent consequences," he said. "No one has ever asked a federal court if that means men should have some similar say."

"The problem is this is so politically incorrect," Feit added. "The public is still dealing with the pre-Roe ethic when it comes to men, that if a man fathers a child, he should accept responsibility."

Feit doesn't advocate an unlimited fatherhood opt-out; he proposes a brief period in which a man, after learning of an unintended pregnancy, could decline parental responsibilities if the relationship was one in which neither partner had desired a child.

"If the woman changes her mind and wants the child, she should be responsible," Feit said. "If she can't take care of the child, adoption is a good alternative."

The president of the National Organization for Women, Kim Gandy, acknowledged that disputes over unintended pregnancies can be complex and bitter.

"None of these are easy questions," said Gandy, a former prosecutor. "But most courts say it's not about what he did or didn't do or what she did or didn't do. It's about the rights of the child."

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
 
I think if the girl says she can't get knocked up, and then does, you shouldn't have to pay for it. That'd be like if someone told you they were giving you lactose free milk, then you end up sh1tting your guts out, and then the person expects you to pay them for the glass of milk
 
This won't happen. It'll basically be saying that the men don't have any responsibility whatsoever if they get a woman pregnant.
 
tom leykis interviewed teh guy today..

I must say he should win.. why should women have all the power in making that decision. they are getting a free ride even if tehy said they cant get pregnant, once she does, she gets child support and all.'

time for equality!
 
Originally posted by: KLin
This won't happen. It'll basically be saying that the men don't have any responsibility whatsoever if they get a woman pregnant.

No it's not.

It's saying that women have a choice if they get pregnant. They can either have the baby, or have an abortion. Men don't have this choice. The lawsuit is just pointing out that it's unfair that the woman wouldn't listen to the man regarding a child that is also his, and by doing so binds him to pay child support until the kid is old.
 
Finally, I have brought this up with my girlfriend (because we like to talk issues occassionally), this is exactly my stance. If a couple is casually dating, not looking for anything serious, and they mutually decide to have sex, then why is the world would only the woman be allowed to decide if she wants to keep the baby? If neither wanted a kid, but did have sex, then I feel like it will be a horrible situation for the kid if the father doesn't want him.
 
Okay...

It takes two to tango.

There is always a risk. No matter what. You gotta realize what you're getting into.

This whole thing is only gonna lower people's opinion of men.
 
Originally posted by: TheGoodGuy
tom leykis interviewed teh guy today..

I must say he should win.. why should women have all the power in making that decision. they are getting a free ride even if tehy said they cant get pregnant, once she does, she gets child support and all.'

time for equality!


I agree
 
Nice! I just had sex..well not just but a couple of weeks ago. Last I heard from her she was on birth control then one night her and I got it on. She told me the next evening, "You do know I wasn't on anything, right?" I thought to myself, you scandolous you know what!
 
Originally posted by: Stew
Okay...

It takes two to tango.

There is always a risk. No matter what. You gotta realize what you're getting into.

This whole thing is only gonna lower people's opinion of men.

The fvck do we care what women think of men, in general?
 
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Originally posted by: TheGoodGuy
tom leykis interviewed teh guy today..

I must say he should win.. why should women have all the power in making that decision. they are getting a free ride even if tehy said they cant get pregnant, once she does, she gets child support and all.'

time for equality!


I agree

 
that's a setup for a proof problem if i've ever seen one. statute of frauds for relationships, anyone?
 
Originally posted by: Stew
Okay...

It takes two to tango.

There is always a risk. No matter what. You gotta realize what you're getting into.

This whole thing is only gonna lower people's opinion of men.

There is always a risk. But if women don't want a baby and screw up, they have the choice to have an abortion. Men have no such right.

And who cares what their opinion is...not really relevant.
 
Good for them. Very good for them. I support this effort to claim back our reproductive rights.

Want equal rights? Well honey, you got em.
 
Originally posted by: KLin
This won't happen. It'll basically be saying that the men don't have any responsibility whatsoever if they get a woman pregnant.
That isn't what it says. It says that if two adults decide that neither wants to have a child and take reasonable precautions not to have one, and in spite of all that a pregnancy occurs, then both of them should have the right to opt out.

In this case it was a perfectly reasonable expectation that there wouldn't be a pregnancy. Same thing if the couple is using birth control. If you're going out and having casual, unprotected sex then this doesn't apply to you. In this instance the woman changed her mind and decided to have the kid anyway. At that point it became her responsibility.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Good for them. Very good for them. I support this effort to claim back our reproductive rights.

Want equal rights? Well honey, you got em.

You go boi!
 
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Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
ALWAYS wrap your tool

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Not a dammed person that sticks it in doesn't know what the act is meant for.

Pleasurable or not, it's a means a reproduction first and foremost. There's ALWAYS a chance, no matter what precautions you take.

If you don't want kids, then either don't do it and or fork over a couple bucks for a condom. It's your penis, you chose to stick it there. That's where you choices end.

 
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