Memphis TN wants to put new gun laws on the ballot. Republicans in the state house threaten to withhold funding.

[HomerJS]

Not no, but fuck no!!

That would be the literal and figurative definition of the term ‘shooting themselves in the foot’. Just keep your foot on the gas pedal with the policies & issues they're using so far.

Don't think the possibility of legalizing automatic weapons should be discussed? Wouldn't this be another one of those 85-15 issues? If Harris is asked should she deflect?

 

[brycejones]

Not no, but fuck no!!

That would be the literal and figurative definition of the term ‘shooting themselves in the foot’. Just keep your foot on the gas pedal with the policies & issues they're using so far.

I have to agree with this. Gun violence is a huge issue but the only people who decide their votes on it would never vote for a politician promising more regulation.

 

[iRONic]

Don't think the possibility of legalizing automatic weapons should be discussed? Wouldn't this be another one of those 85-15 issues? If Harris is asked should she deflect?

There aren't any available votes there right now, if ever. It totally sucks!

I don't want her to deflect on any questions on the topic. Turn it around on the GQP… I think she has the chops to handle that type of media grilling.

 

[Fenixgoon]

That judge just handed Democrats another weapon for the election.

Pun intended?

 

[sandorski]

That’s socialist nazi marxist commie talk

Y'all get shot and y'all like it or y'all get shot again!

 

[APU_Fusion]

No reason to discuss gun control by Harris. That is not the way to keep momentum. Talk about weird Trump shaped couches that are incoherent and filled with hate, women’s rights and champion moving the country forward. Maybe all the republicans will get so mad they turns their guns on each other.

 

[IronWing]

A federal judge in Kansas just ruled that there is no constitutional basis for fully automatic weapons to be illegal using the test established by the Roberts court. There were no restrictions on owning automatic weapons when the constitution was drafted so any such restriction now is unconstitutional.

Kansas judge throws out machine gun possession charge, cites Second Amendment

A federal judge in Kansas has tossed out a machine gun possession charge and questioned if bans on the weapons violate the Second Amendment.

apnews.com

I pretty much agree with the judge on this one as far as limits on gun types. Where the Roberts court went off the rails was when it concocted an individual right to bear arms where no such thing exists in the Constitution. Part of having a well regulated militia could very well require that the militia have machine guns and it can also mean that those machine guns are regulated by keeping them in an armory at times when the militia is not called out for a specific, well regulated purpose.

 

[APU_Fusion]

I pretty much agree with the judge on this one as far as limits on gun types. Where the Roberts court went off the rails was when it concocted an individual right to bear arms where no such thing exists in the Constitution. Part of having a well regulated militia could very well require that the militia have machine guns and it can also mean that those machine guns are regulated by keeping them in an armory at times when the militia is not called out for a specific, well regulated purpose.

But individuals make up the militia so by stating militia the founders really meant individual rights to bear arms is absolute. 👍

 

[Moonbeam]

The people only get to decide things they are OK with. Let the states decide, not the people IN the state.

Well people can't decide to pass laws that are unconstitutional and hope nobody challenges their legality. Wouldn't state representatives find it in the best interests of people state wide not to waste money on court challenges. What if a White city said no Blacks can live here. Shouldn't the nation set gun laws so everybody has to live by the same rules. What about the people in California not being able to hear their kids scream they are drowning because Dad has to wear ear protection because he can't silence his gun in California. Why doesn't everybody's kid have to drown or nobodies in such circumstances? Try to stay calm.

 

[Moonbeam]

I pretty much agree with the judge on this one as far as limits on gun types. Where the Roberts court went off the rails was when it concocted an individual right to bear arms where no such thing exists in the Constitution. Part of having a well regulated militia could very well require that the militia have machine guns and it can also mean that those machine guns are regulated by keeping them in an armory at times when the militia is not called out for a specific, well regulated purpose.

I think the facts were that the best guns and the only place where they could be kept was in private hands. Why would you want them all in one building, say, for the British to take. Military weapons traditionally followed private initiative development for sale to the public thanks to freedom.

 

[sandorski]

I think the facts were that the best guns and the only place where they could be kept was in private hands. Why would you want them all in one building, say, for the British to take. Military weapons traditionally followed private initiative development for sale to the public thanks to freedom.

It would be guarded. Also, a gathering place for the Militia. Other things could be there as well, like vehicles, explosives, shoulder mounted missile systems, etc.

 

[Moonbeam]

It would be guarded. Also, a gathering place for the Militia. Other things could be there as well, like vehicles, explosives, shoulder mounted missile systems, etc.

I was speaking of American Revolution times. You can’t guard an arms cash from an Army except with another army.

Furthermore I think it would be logical to assume that in cases of national defense in those times it would be fair to assume that since all of the weapons, and certainly the best of them, were in private hands, it is only when the owners of guns ban together for national defense, the body they form as a collective should be well regulated, not the individuals who own guns in peaceful conditions.

 

[HomerJS]

Well people can't decide to pass laws that are unconstitutional and hope nobody challenges their legality. Wouldn't state representatives find it in the best interests of people state wide not to waste money on court challenges. What if a White city said no Blacks can live here. Shouldn't the nation set gun laws so everybody has to live by the same rules. What about the people in California not being able to hear their kids scream they are drowning because Dad has to wear ear protection because he can't silence his gun in California. Why doesn't everybody's kid have to drown or nobodies in such circumstances? Try to stay calm.

We don’t allow automatic weapons now and that was deemed Constitutional

 

[Moonbeam]

We don’t allow automatic weapons now and that was deemed Constitutional

That's right. But the rule was federal and applies nation wide. That's a law I have no problem with. The only reason anybody would really need a machine gun for self defense is if you were up against one. And the passage of that law was deemed constitutional meaning no change to the second amendment required.

How come liberals aren't out marching to ban cell phones. Our kids are committing suicide from being bullied on line. And don't tell me its sick people punching the keys, it's the cell phone that's the weapon.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Has this been done elsewhere and did it help?
1. Isn't unreasonable.
2. Does it really mater what type of gun kills you?
3. Not unreasonable.

Check out Massachusetts laws, we’re almost the lowest gun death per capita. Those laws are basically what we have already. So yea, I’d say it helps.

Stats of the States - Firearm Mortality

www.cdc.gov

 

[brycejones]

Has this been done elsewhere and did it help?
1. Isn't unreasonable.
2. Does it really mater what type of gun kills you?
3. Not unreasonable.

Without snark. Look at the rest of the developed world. We have the most lax gun laws pretty much on the planet and a level of gun deaths to match that.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

The people only get to decide things they are OK with. Let the states decide, not the people IN the state.

The Tennessee Taliban did the same thing to Jackson in various ways. They don't want control from above, but they want full control of below.

But this Memphis thing is already done. The city capitulated to the extortionists.

Gun control initiatives to be left off Memphis ballot after GOP threat to withhold funds​

MSN|11 hours ago
Election officials in Memphis decided Tuesday to leave three gun control questions off the November ballot after top Republican state leaders threatened to withhold tens of millions of dollars in state funding.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Memphis trying to enact 3 city charter changes.

1. Require a permit to carry a handgun
2. Outlaw AR style rifles
3. Enact red flag laws

Remember the people of the town will decide not politicians. Asking a response on each item, reasonable/unreasonable. Feel free to elaborate.

Tennessee Republican leaders threaten to withhold funds as Memphis preps to put guns on the ballot

Tennessee’s top Republican leaders have threatened to withhold tens of millions of dollars in state funding from left-leaning Memphis should leaders continue with plans to place three gun control initiatives on the November ballot.

apnews.com

Reasonable, unreasonable, reasonable.

Any half decent lawyer will shred 'AR style rifles' to ribbons, it's an unreasonable standard to attempt to apply. Grow some marbles and ban all semi-autos, or leave it alone.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

We don’t allow automatic weapons now and that was deemed Constitutional

Sure we do, just need an appropriate permit.

 

[Greenman]

The Vagas shooter killed 60 people and injured 413. If he didn't have AR style rifles totals would have been less because of the inability to get off many rounds in short time.

Should all laws be based on the most extreme circumstances?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Reasonable, unreasonable, reasonable.

Any half decent lawyer will shred 'AR style rifles' to ribbons, it's an unreasonable standard to attempt to apply. Grow some marbles and ban all semi-autos, or leave it alone.

It’s sustained in MA. We do have mag size limits for other semi autos

Edit: MA has recently been making the news around here for creating even more strict gun laws. It’s a bold move, we will have to see how it plays out.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Should all laws be based on the most extreme circumstances?

Republicans seem to think so, when it suits them. Hasn’t stopped you from voting for them tho.

See:

1. Voting rights.
2. Body autonomy.

 

[brycejones]

Should all laws be based on the most extreme circumstances?

So you're just going to ignore how having more firearm regulation leads to lower deaths from firearms? We are the literal outlyer on guns in the world and have by far the highest rate of death from guns in the world outside of actual war zones.

 

[Pens1566]

Should all laws be based on the most extreme circumstances?

Post birth abortions ...

(Hint: only one of those examples has actually occurred)
(Hint Hint: it's not the one in this post)

 

[JD50]

Should all laws be based on the most extreme circumstances?

Does it really matter what type of circumstance kills you?