memory overclock question.

[cmdrdredd]

Which memory would you all say would Overclock better and I should get. The Corsair Dominator DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 2GB (at zzf for $313 with $40 rebate), or Crucial Ballistix 4-4-4-12 which has the same specifications but comes out a few dollars cheaper before the corsair rebate? Going to replace out my rather cheap XMS26400C5 with something I can take higher. Current memory goes into another system.

edit: I only listed these sets because it's the price range I am looking at for micron D9 chips. teamgroup could be included as well, but after rebates the corsair would come out cheaper.

 

[n7]

I would assume the Dominator pair is D9s, as well as the Crucial, but i don't know for sure.

And considering i haven't seen results from either, i'm going to go with my standard recommendation, since i know it will OC very well

Team Xtreem DDR2-800 4-4-4 2x 1 GB - $287
http://www.tankguys.biz/ddr2-44410-800m...sCsid=0a080ab3dbd289f1ddf60d41c2976d13

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: n7
I would assume the Dominator pair is D9s, as well as the Crucial, but i don't know for sure.

And considering i haven't seen results from either, i'm going to go with my standard recommendation, since i know it will OC very well

Team Xtreem DDR2-800 4-4-4 2x 1 GB - $287
http://www.tankguys.biz/ddr2-44410-800m...sCsid=0a080ab3dbd289f1ddf60d41c2976d13

Tankguys hoses you on shipping...$10 for a simple memory order? ZZF is only $1.99 for 2 day. And I can get overnight for $14.37 (if I needed it)

 

[n7]

Heh, shipping is usually alot more than $10 from any store here.

But who cares.

That RAM is still arguably the best cheaper high end DDR2-800 out there that's proven to OC very well, whereas i just haven't heard much about the two you mentioned.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: n7
Heh, shipping is usually alot more than $10 from any store here.

But who cares.

That RAM is still arguably the best cheaper high end DDR2-800 out there that's proven to OC very well, whereas i just haven't heard much about the two you mentioned.

Shipping charges mean alot to the overall price. Especially when you can find similar memory from different manufacturers for cheaper prices.

This was the whole point of me posting. I'm NOT willing to pay $350+ to get some DDR2-1000 memory. Also I've seen a few reports of teamgroup memory unable to run at stock settings. It's luck, but anyhow...these are the 2 I'm looking at.

I'm guessing that the Dominator series is probably higher binned (since they do use D9 chips in their more mainstream parts as well).

Keep the recommendations comming anyway. I will likely be ordering over the weekend.

 

[The-Noid]

Find me one post that says Teams are not able to run at stock settings, I would like to see this please. If anything that is going to be 100% user error.

Thats like saying I read in a post that the Crucial Ballastix will run DDR2-1000 4-4-4-12 @ 1.8v. I can post anything I want I guess. If that is factual or not becomes the question.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Find me one post that says Teams are not able to run at stock settings, I would like to see this please. If anything that is going to be 100% user error.

Thats like saying I read in a post that the Crucial Ballastix will run DDR2-1000 4-4-4-12 @ 1.8v. I can post anything I want I guess. If that is factual or not becomes the question.

ok smartass

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=115478&page=3

3/4 of the way down...report of BSOD, Prime failing, orthos failing, memtest failing, or no post at STOCK rated speeds and timings.

Now you were being a smart ass so I'll repeat what i said before "IT'S LUCK" and I know that, but which has the better chance of being lucky?

Teamgroup HAS been receintly binning their D9 chips more agressively to market their new 3-3-3 and higher Mhz lines. It's not like it used to be. Crucial seems like a 50/50. Corsair bins for dominator and tosses some D9s that don't match Dominator specs to their pro line. OCZ bins them for the Platinum line and their Titanium Alpha VX2 line. Mushkin bins them for their Redline series (currently the top overclocking memory but also the least available).

Again, I am not looking to spend $400 on memory here...these 2 had good prices (one with a rebate too) so I am asking about them.

edit: Post also reports teamgroup's lack of CS and avoidance of reply for RMA.

 

[n7]

Well, you've obviously decided you don't want Team, so why not try one of the two choices you listed & report back on how well they do.

I'd be interested to hear how they compare.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: n7
Well, you've obviously decided you don't want Team, so why not try one of the two choices you listed & report back on how well they do.

I'd be interested to hear how they compare.

Because I don't like to be guinnie pig for everyone

Although today...I managed to wiggle it out of someone to help me out with this purchase. Actually I conned my dad to letting me borrow some dough to pay for more expensive memory.

So now I'm looking for a more high end model and have to start all over from where I started because I don't know where to begin.

I'm currently thinking of either Mushkin Redline XP2-8000 or OCZ Titanium Alpha VX2. The Mushkin is rated at slightly better timings.

Anyone care to take a stab at which one they would get if they had the choice? I checked Anandtech article and it seems the Mushkin overclocks better in pure Mhz, but that's only part of what I'm looking at. I also want good timings. So which one won't necessarily need 2.4v all the time at 5-5-5-18 to go high? Did I miss where it mentioned what timings were used in the chart? (receint Patriot DDR2-1066 review).


Sorry to completely derail my own topic and change it from a value question to a high end question.

Thanks for the replies so far.

 

[Captante]

I'm using the Mushkin PC2-8000, but its currently running at 800mhz & 3-4-3-10 T1 @ 2.2v in an Asus Crosshair 590 SLI.

 

[Captante]

Double-post!

 

[The-Noid]

One person had a bad set, I guess I stand corrected. Teams quality control is completely down the toilet. The guy also states that with a fan the memory works. My guess is his case is hotter than hell. The Team sets are the most overclockable memory to come out in quite some time. Also if you realize the how small the number of sets that are stable at DDR2-800 3-3-3-8 are you would take back your post. 3-4% Yield on those sets according to Team. Its definetly not killing the ability of the other sets to overclock. Also if you read the post it states that Tankguys will take care of the RMA. I am not a Teamgroup fanboy in any sense, but you are taking only bits and pieces of posts to make your point. I guess when 1 person has a bad set THAT IS CURED BY PLACING A FAN ON (i.e. Ram gets hot because the case is hot), that makes the whole companies binning procedures bad.

You don't like TeamGroup, that is OK, but don't act like they are a bad memory company in any sense of the word.

The Muskin set for anandtech was handpicked. I have never had good luck getting much over stock speeds. The OCZ set will get you 1100 @ 4-4-4-x pretty easily. Also I had DDR2-1050 @ 4-4-3-4 with 2.25v. Its D9GKX so your not going to get to much better performance and still be under warranty. Throw a fan on and 2.45 for daily use is possibly, and still under EVP.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
One person had a bad set, I guess I stand corrected. Teams quality control is completely down the toilet. The guy also states that with a fan the memory works. My guess is his case is hotter than hell. The Team sets are the most overclockable memory to come out in quite some time. Also if you realize the how small the number of sets that are stable at DDR2-800 3-3-3-8 are you would take back your post. 3-4% Yield on those sets according to Team. Its definetly not killing the ability of the other sets to overclock. Also if you read the post it states that Tankguys will take care of the RMA. I am not a Teamgroup fanboy in any sense, but you are taking only bits and pieces of posts to make your point. I guess when 1 person has a bad set THAT IS CURED BY PLACING A FAN ON (i.e. Ram gets hot because the case is hot), that makes the whole companies binning procedures bad.

You don't like TeamGroup, that is OK, but don't act like they are a bad memory company in any sense of the word.

The Muskin set for anandtech was handpicked. I have never had good luck getting much over stock speeds. The OCZ set will get you 1100 @ 4-4-4-x pretty easily. Also I had DDR2-1050 @ 4-4-3-4 with 2.25v. Its D9GKX so your not going to get to much better performance and still be under warranty. Throw a fan on and 2.45 for daily use is possibly, and still under EVP.

I received Pms from people who have had issues with Teamgroup on that forum when I asked about memory. That's why I'm going to avoid it. Some people even say they never got any heatspreaders at all *shrug*.

Anyhow I think I'm likely going to be going with Crucial 10th Anniversary DDR2-667. Seen many people put 2.3v on it and run DDR2-1000 at cas4

Would buy higher end, but I've been talked into not doing so basically because there's a point where the price doesn't justify the performance differences if that makes sense. Unless there is a reason I should buy higher end.

 

[n7]

Wow.

Heatspreaders don't help with cooling the RAM.

Team has stated this themselves.

Mine never came with heatspreaders.

I can tolerate some FUD, but only to an extent.

You asked for recommendations between two relative unknowns, yet when we recommend what we know to be good, you start looking for issues with Team, as if no other manufacturers have problems occasionally.

Good luck with your beloved Corsair & Crucial...

edit:
/sorry in advance for the sardonic response, i am a bit buzzed & also annoyed for other reasons, so don't take it the wrong way.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: n7
Wow.

Heatspreaders don't help with cooling the RAM.

Team has stated this themselves.

Mine never came with heatspreaders.

I can tolerate some FUD, but only to an extent.

You asked for recommendations between two relative unknowns, yet when we recommend what we know to be good, you start looking for issues with Team, as if no other manufacturers have problems occasionally.

Good luck with your beloved Corsair & Crucial...

edit:
/sorry in advance for the sardonic response, i am a bit buzzed & also annoyed for other reasons, so don't take it the wrong way.

Heatspreaders DO help with cooling off the chips...otherwise NOBODY would put them there. Look at Corsair Dominator heatspreaders...what about Mushkin Frostbite? There is a difference or every memory made for overclocking/enthusiast would come bare.

I'm not lookinf for issues at all, in fact if you read my other posts I recommend Team based on reviews and such. However, ONLY one retailer sells them and overcharges on shipping. It's going to have to be magic to justify me paying $10 for ground shipping. Especially when i can get something else cheaper with the same chips.

Next time you call someone out for FUD be sure to read every damn post they ever made. because I DID and DO recommend Team memory, but for ME, and ME ONLY...I won't pay so much on shipping of such a small item. It's like buying a SATA cable and paying more for shipping than the whole cable cost.

 

[n7]

Err, i'd be interested in seeing some proof that shows that heatspreaders do indeed reduce temps.

I am not saying that for some manufacturers this is not true, but once again, on XS, Team has stated themselved that heatspreaders do nothing for improving temps/performance, etc.

I'd love to see some reviews/links for this info, as i haven't researched it much. (i'm being serious, not sarcastic)

 

[lopri]

Corsair got pissed off and did a 'research' when OCZ came out with those honey-comb heat spreaders. Granted the difference was ~1C among 3 different modules, IIRC. (one with no heat spreader, another with Corsair high-riser, and the last with OCZ honey-comb)

 

[Jumpem]

So is jusy getting most any DDR2-800 that uses D9 chips my best bet for a mild overclock? I am thinking of the G Skil HZ series that was just reviewed on the front page.

What about motherboard? I was going to get the P5B-E, but some have said to get the deluxe instead. I don't really care for the two graphics slots though.

 

[The-Noid]

Team never comes with heatspreaders put on. They do come with heatspreaders in the package that simply place on yourself. I run mine naked as if you are going to put a fan on them temperatures actaully seem lower. Heatspreaders as Team states are basically there to look cool To be honest the OCZ heatspreaders do look cool though.

I am not really sure, but I also think the 10th Anniversary stix are sold out. They were supposed to be limited edition and I can't find them anywhere.

As for Tankguys and shipping. He actually charges what the real price is on shipping. NewEgg, ZipZoomFly all those are going to get a much better deal becuase they ship 1000's of packages a day. If you order a computer from Dell you can get it Next Day Aired for $20. This is not the real price of shipping, but companies that ship tons and tons of packages get special rates. If you go to ship something by UPS as Tankguys does and you ship 5-6 packages a day you do not get these discount rates. It is not as if the guy is screwing you on shipping, his budget just can't handle the $2.99 next day air at ZZF.

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Team never comes with heatspreaders put on. They do come with heatspreaders in the package that simply place on yourself. I run mine naked as if you are going to put a fan on them temperatures actaully seem lower. Heatspreaders as Team states are basically there to look cool To be honest the OCZ heatspreaders do look cool though.

I am not really sure, but I also think the 10th Anniversary stix are sold out. They were supposed to be limited edition and I can't find them anywhere.

You must either be blind or something...... In-Stock and everything :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820148017


Shipping on that memory is twice what it should be.... should be $ 5.00 I have RMA'ed memory before. Motherboards are $10.00 - $12.00 via Fed Ex. 3 Day.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
So is jusy getting most any DDR2-800 that uses D9 chips my best bet for a mild overclock? I am thinking of the G Skil HZ series that was just reviewed on the front page.

What about motherboard? I was going to get the P5B-E, but some have said to get the deluxe instead. I don't really care for the two graphics slots though.

That's pretty much what people are saying these days. Anything with D9 can clock up to DDR2-1000 pretty easily. It's a matter of picking a brand that actually uses the D9s without paying rediculous amounts unless you are looking for every last Mhz.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
That's pretty much what people are saying these days. Anything with D9 can clock up to DDR2-1000 pretty easily. It's a matter of picking a brand that actually uses the D9s without paying rediculous amounts unless you are looking for every last Mhz.

Seems like more than I need. Even with DDR2-800 at rated speeds an e6600 would be at 3.6Ghz.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
That's pretty much what people are saying these days. Anything with D9 can clock up to DDR2-1000 pretty easily. It's a matter of picking a brand that actually uses the D9s without paying rediculous amounts unless you are looking for every last Mhz.

Seems like more than I need. Even with DDR2-800 at rated speeds an e6600 would be at 3.6Ghz.

Possibly, but then some memory can do DDR2-1000 with 4-4-4-12 timings.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Possibly, but then some memory can do DDR2-1000 with 4-4-4-12 timings.

What would I care about DDR2-1000 speeds for? That would put an e6600 at 4.5GHz, which isn't likely.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Possibly, but then some memory can do DDR2-1000 with 4-4-4-12 timings.

What would I care about DDR2-1000 speeds for? That would put an e6600 at 4.5GHz, which isn't likely.

Lots of people run 4:5 & 2:3 ratios for better performance, that's why