Memory Bound?

mastertech01

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A friend of mine has a problem that even with a GIG of physical ram in his system, if he should open say 3 or 4 large images the computer gets very sluggish. Why would this occur with such a healthy load of ram in a WinXP Pro machine, PIV system with Dual Channel RDRAM? Is the OS failing to see or utilize his resources? Photoshop 6 I believe. Oh and hyperthreading enabled.
 

mechBgon

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Interesting. Does the system act as if it isn't aware of the RAM? Like, does it page data back &amp; forth to the hard drive(s) a lot, as if it were out of RAM? Maybe his WinXP Pro installation is messed up or he tried some sort of Registry tweaking.
 

mastertech01

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Well I know he recently mentioned using a registry cleaner. It could very well be that it has fubared the install. Ill pass that along to him. Thanks mech!
 

gsaldivar

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IMHO, 1GB is a CONSERVATIVE amount of RAM for heavy Photoshop work.

On average, how big are each of the "3 or 4 large images" your friend works with? Are these files all opened at one time? Are these files heavily layered? Does your friend multitask while working in Photoshop?

Here are the most important factors in increasing Photoshop speed:

1) RAM
2) HD Space
3) CPU Speed

About 512MB-1GB of RAM is usually what I consider to be a "minimum" for PS.

If you think you'll be working extensively with large files and layers, consider 2-3 GB instead. PS has a RAM limit of 2GB - so if you purchase 2GB, your OS and background apps will use 300-600MB of that, leaving PS with around 1.5GB. If you purchase 2.5-3GB of RAM, PS will run at its full 2GB limit, leaving the remaining 512MB-1GB for OS and background apps.

Empty, contiguous, dedicated HD space is also essential for PS. When working with a 100mb layered file, it isn't unusual for PS to consume 500mb or more worth of "scratch disk". When planning your computer purchase, make sure you have at least ONE empty hard disk which will be dedicated for PS "scratch disk" use only.

PS has a 2GB file size limit on scratch disks. This means PS will only use the first 2GB of each scratch disk volume. To circumvent this limit, partition your empty "scratch disk" hard drive into four 2GB partitions. Set up PS preferences to use each of these four logical 2GB partitions as a different scratch disk.

If properly maxxed out, your PS rig should have 3GB of RAM (PS will run at its full 2GB RAM limit), and four 2GB scratch disk partitions.

In my opinion, CPU speed is the least-important of the 3 factors - but obviously faster is better. PS supposedly has some optimizations that allow it to run faster on Intel processors, but avoid buying into an older Intel-based system which uses costly RDRAM. Stick to inexpensive DDR instead. If you max out on the first 2 factors (RAM &amp; HD Space), your CPU speed will be less important to getting maximum Photoshop speed.
 

johnjkr1

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also, i believe there were some hyper threading issues with earlier versions of photoshop, be sure he has the latest version.
 

gsaldivar

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I forgot to mention that your friend should go into Photoshop's preferences to make sure it's properly configured to use the extra RAM that you have installed.

Post back your results.

Good luck!
 

jbritt1234

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Photoshop is mem entensive but even opening 3 or 4 10 meg files should not make the computer that sluggish.

I used XP with PS and 256 RAM with reasonable results...

Try disabling hyper threading, maybe that's what is screwing with ya. If you got it that is...
 

gsaldivar

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Photoshop is mem entensive but even opening 3 or 4 10 meg files should not make the computer that sluggish.

How do you know he's only opening 10MB files?
 

sswingle

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I don't see this mentioned anywhere, what operating system is he using? If you answer 95, 98, or ME, then that basically answers your question right there ;)
 

gsaldivar

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Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
I don't see this mentioned anywhere, what operating system is he using? If you answer 95, 98, or ME, then that basically answers your question right there ;)

XP Pro was mentioned in the original post.
 

jbritt1234

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Originally posted by: gsaldivar
Photoshop is mem entensive but even opening 3 or 4 10 meg files should not make the computer that sluggish.

How do you know he's only opening 10MB files?

He doesn't say that. But 10 megs is a fairly decent size for a picture. I was just making an assumption since he did not give the information.

Mastertech, what size are the files?
 

Big Lar

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John,( Mastertech01) was referring to me, The files I am working with are 5 to 6 megs each, and only 1 at a time. Interesting that Old versions of photoshop were mentioned, I am running Photoshop 5, think thats the prob? I will also try it with HT disabled this evening, and see if thats the prob. Thanks.

Larry

Edit; I am also running a Cheetah 15k 37 gig drive, so it shouldn't be that, also, nothing has been tampered with in the reg other than a defrag, but it was doing this before that.
 

johnjkr1

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I do not believe photoshop 5 was designed with hyperthreading in mind. That may just be your problem.
 

Big Lar

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I'll try without HT later, Thanks for the heads up :) I think I can upgrade easy enough if need be.

Larry
 

mastertech01

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My appologies to everyone for forgetting all about this thread. Many thanks to everyone for your helpful tips and it looks like Larry has picked up on it now.

Thanks!

John
 

Calin

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To work on a 10 MB uncompressed image, PS uses probably several 10 MB memory spaces. So, the use of memory increases faster that the file size. You might try to use the Task Manager to see the memory used by every process

Calin
 

johnjkr1

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You can not switch back and fourth between HT and non-HT. XP installs different OS kernals for each.
 

Big Lar

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Well that explains it then :) It would run semi normal with HT disabled, but not exactly right. Back to normal now tho..