Melting Icecaps . .

Theb

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The rapture will happen before we have to worry about this, or paying down the federal deficit. Everything is fine.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
[Topic Title: Melting Icecaps . .
Topic Summary: Global Warming . .

Oh come on, the Republicans say it's all your imagination.

Seek mental help now.

I am inclined to believe in my own theory that we?re not finished with the reversal of our last ice age. Who believes our current temperatures are supposed to remain constant?

Now, if I could personally view computer models which proved the degree of our effect on that natural change is going to cause us significantly more hell than the inevitable changes, then I?ll be inclined to take strong action to prevent our impact on it.

However, besides any of this I would advocate immediate changes to alternate fuels for our energy needs. Or at the very least I hope oil supplies do not last through the century for various other reasons, this included.

Wonder how that fits your stereotype.
 

astrosfan90

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Beans should be outlawed. It is my understanding that flatulence contributes to air pollution.
 

johnnobts

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curse those republicans. if only we'd signed that intergalactic kyoto accord with marvin the martian, and the romulan empire, mars and jupiter wouldn't be warming as a result of our pollution! blame bush.
 
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Man, you neo-cons are a riot, you should take that crap on the road. I agree, all those scientists must be talking out of their collective asses. I mean they're just saying there's global warming to make a buck. :disgust:
 

johnnobts

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I mean they're just saying there's global warming to make a buck....

so we're noticing a warnming trend on other planets? we shouldn't be collecting further data. just close our eyes and go with global warming as a result of man vs. global warming as a result of sun (and perhaps man)? and here i keep being told how open-minded liberals are... just not when it comes to religion, politics, or science.
 

LegendKiller

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Global warming is an unknown. If one were to look at the Vostok core patterns you can see that we are higher than other peaks and are perhaps sustaining it longer, it doesn't extrapolate into a direct corelation of human = global warming. The earth, as with all living ecosystems, operates on a cyclical pattern.

We may have disrupted that pattern a little bit, but we don't have the information to say we have irreversably changed that pattern just because our interactions with the environment. Furthermore, a huge portion of the increase and sustained plateau started occuring *THOUSANDS* of years ago, far before the industrial revolution started polluting on a global scale. Consider the fact that we are measuring tempertures of perhaps 300 years to the events of 50 years on a scale of increase of more than 2000 years and then coming to the definitive conclusion that it is our actions of less than 2.5% of the 2000 years that has cause temperatures to go higher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vostok-ice-core-petit.png

To suggest otherwise is akin to using the temperature and thermostat in your house to extrapolalate it's affects on tempertures within a mile of the house.

I am not saying we shouldn't reduce our emissions. I hate SUV's, I think everybody should start driving 30mpg cars, to start. I also think we need to come up with better mass-energy production (expansion of fission, wind, solar, tidal, more investment in fusion).

However, to run around like chicken little's because less than 50 years of temperature increases on a scale of massive 2-3 thousand year peaks and then concluding it's us causing those peaks, it just stupid.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Man, you neo-cons are a riot, you should take that crap on the road. I agree, all those scientists must be talking out of their collective asses. I mean they're just saying there's global warming to make a buck. :disgust:

The vast majority of people believed the earth was flat. Did that make them correct? To feign ignorance on human arrogance would be a nice combination to your stereotype.

You also leave out that there are scientists who disagree with you.

More over, you completely ignore our spitting in the Republican Party?s face by saying we would go for alternative fuels regardless of global warming. I guess we aren?t beating our chests crying end of the world and voting on a panic frenzy than we aren?t good enough not to be your neo-cons eh?
 
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I know there are those who disagree, and that's good, it makes the other side move to solidify their reasoning. And I applaud the idea of alternative fuels. I have said it numerous times, hybrid vehicles should be the majority of vehicles released rather than a small handful, until a viable alternative is found. To blindly doubt global warming as you do, is more damaging that at least thinking it could be happening.
Reducing greenhouse gasses will only benefit us, ecologically, and well, for our own existence.
 

Genx87

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I dont think people are doubting global warming, but instead the reasons.
Without being able to explain why the Earth has gone through global warming before how can one say the answer is man alone?

It could very well be we have zero control over it and no amount of conservation will contain it.
 

WHAMPOM

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The comet inpacts on Jupiter may have started the formation of a new red spot. How does that connect to melting glaciers? Or icecaps?
 

dainthomas

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I've read several articles theorizing that the melting Greenland icecap will shut down the global conveyor belt, triggering another ice age.

The earth is very good at regulating itself. Probably one of the reasons these climate models are always so far off.
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
The comet inpacts on Jupiter may have started the formation of a new red spot. How does that connect to melting glaciers? Or icecaps?


Magnatude of event. Think about it.

Industrial age on this palnet 200 years into the global warming associated with technology advancements
would only be a slow track to the equal amount of change of enviromental stability that a comet impact could have on a gas supergiant planet like Jupiter.

Odds are that if the energy exchange that occured in the comet impact was able to trigger the emergence of a second supercyclone,
it wouldn't take nearly as much influence to modify the earths global weather pattern.

 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Man, you neo-cons are a riot, you should take that crap on the road. I agree, all those scientists must be talking out of their collective asses. I mean they're just saying there's global warming to make a buck. :disgust:

Yeah, they couldn't be wrong. Wasn't it Global freezing in the 70's or early 80's? :disgust: