Melania Trump Plagiarized Her Convention Speech From Michelle Obama

[agent00f]

Amazing you idiot libs are still talking about this. Trump is a genius.

This is probably true from your perspective.

 

[Zaap]

SIMULTANEOUSLY! Did you miss that part, leave it out deliberately, or just not understand it central importance to what I said?

LOL, it's hilarious you deleted your original rant.

What is all this simultaneously nonsense? I pointed it out to you already, but being able to claim fluency in multiple languages does not require speaking all of them "simultaneously" at once. There's virtually no situation where that's even logical. In my wife's case, it simply means she can easily communicate in 4 different languages when immersed in cultures where those languages are spoken. Currently, she speaks to her family, friends, and our sons in her native tongue. She speaks English every day as of course she lives in the US. She speaks the other 2 languages frequently with other sets of family and friends as hers is a pretty international family and friend network. That simultaneous enough for you?

It's also not uncommon for many people. Because you had a group of dimwitted friends who thought 4 languages was mission impossible doesn't mean it is for everyone. Read up for yourself on how many languages its possible to know and use at once- some put it as high as 100, though it's of course very arguable. True fluency and workable use of a language, the number is probably in the 10's or 20's, but 5 is not rocket science.

You look way dumber than you *imagine* Melania looks making silly claims about language just to try and discredit her in some silly way.

But then again, what was I saying about Trump's detractors often being able to make just as big and bigger fools of themselves, as Trump makes of himself, without even trying that hard?

I never said she can't SPEAK (parts of, to various degrees) 5 languages. I said I truly doubt that she's FLUENT, even by your degraded standards for fluency, in 5.

Here's CBS news on the subject:

http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/a-crash-course-on-melania-trump/6/

in addition to her native Slovenian, Trump speaks four other languages: English, French, Serbian and German.

Same reported everywhere else I could find it.

Yeah, yeah, I know. It's not like a major news organizations could ever find out this information. You *clearly* know more than they do based on...



...raw, seething, unchecked hatred? Just because you don't WANT something to be true? D vs. R nitwittery carried to an absurd extreme?

This is why I need to be done interacting with you. You are either too STUPID to make this basic distinction, too LAZY to notice it, or simply arguing in bad faith.

Again and again and again, you make this same basic mistake between "speaks" (to whatever extent) and FLUENT. I will simply have to accept that you're that dimwitted, because otherwise you're just being dishonest.

LOL, you're just a frothing at the mouth type of person, aren't you? You're the one whining at other people able to speak multiple languages, while you falsely claim 2 is hard! Who's the dimwit again? It's not looking like Melania compared to you, sorry to tell you.

That's her mother tongue! If there's any language besides the English she now speaks in which she would be FLUENT it would be Slovenian, yet it seems she couldn't handle a simple interview in it even when not being able to do so caused obvious, immediate resentment!

Riiight, she forgot her mother tongue because an interviewer said so! LOL! Nevermind that she needs it in order to speak to her parents and she taught her son to speak Slovenian as well.

http://www.gq.com/story/melania-trump-gq-interview

In Slovenia these days, there is a certain sense of resentment that Melania has forgotten her roots; there is talk that she refuses to speak Slovenian, that Donald visited the country only once and only long enough to have dinner. There’s a sneaking suspicion that she thinks Slovenia is not good enough for her, and that she might be right.

But in interviews, Melania doesn’t shy away from her Slovenian life; she’s not embarrassed by it. “I love my childhood,” she tells me. “It was a beautiful childhood.”

Her son speaks Slovenian fluently—he uses it to speak with his grandparents, who have immigrated to New York and live near them in Trump Tower—but for Melania, Slovenia represents a relatively short and distant period of her past that she quickly outgrew.

LOL, so you took "forgotten her roots" literally to mean she's forgotten how to speak her native tongue- once again with NO PROOF whatsoever of this, as if this couldn't be confirmed by her son -whom she taught the language to- and her own parents- with whom she and her son need the language to communicate! Refuses to speak isn't the same as she doesn't actually remember HOW to speak it.

You're just so bitter about this woman! Why is that? She threaten you in some way? It's kind of hilarious, but also kind of sad that political nonsense stirs this level of irrationality in some people.

 

[agent00f]

LOL, it's hilarious you deleted your original rant.

What is all this simultaneously nonsense? I pointed it out to you already, but being able to claim fluency in multiple languages does not require speaking all of them "simultaneously" at once. There's virtually no situation where that's even logical. In my wife's case, it simply means she can easily communicate in 4 different languages when immersed in cultures where those languages are spoken. It's all anyone uses as a standard in the real world. You look way dumber than you *imagine* Melania looks making silly claims about language just to try and discredit her in some silly way.

But then again, what was I saying about Trump's detractors often being able to make just as big and bigger fools of themselves, as Trump makes of himself?

Here's CBS news on the subject:

Yeah, yeah, I know. It's not like a major news organization couldn't find out if she didn't. You clearly know more than they do based on...

...raw, seething, unchecked hatred? Just because you don't WANT it to be?

I can understand disliking Donald, but extending that to his wife is silly.

LOL, you're just a frothing at the mouth type of person, aren't you? You're the one whining at other people able to speak multiple languages, while you falsely claim 2 is hard! Who's the dimwit again? It's not looking like Melania compared to you, sorry to tell you.

Riiight, she forgot her mother tongue because an interviewer said so! LOL! Nevermind that she needs it in order to speak to her parents and she taught her son to speak Slovenian as well.

http://www.gq.com/story/melania-trump-gq-interview

LOL, so you took "forgotten her roots" literally to mean she's forgotten how to speak her native tongue- once again with NO PROOF whatsoever of this, as if this couldn't be confirmed by her son -whom she taught the language to- and her own parents- with whom she and her son need the language to communicate!

You're just so bitter about this woman! Why is that? She threaten you in some way? It's kind of hilarious, but also kind of sad that political nonsense stirs this level of irrationality in some people.

The claim in question is that she's fluent in 5 languages, when it's rather questionable whether she's even fluent in what she speaks every day.

Nobody is ever going to accuse Trump of marrying her for her brains, so this impassioned defense is pretty peculiar.

 

[Lepton87]

No, there are not. You, the press, and seemingly most everyone else have zero idea what constitutes "fluency" in a language. As I said before, it is quite difficult to be simultaneously fluent in just two languages, let alone 3 or more.

People may have some working knowledge, to various degrees, of multiple languages, but nothing even approaching true fluency.

To be truly fluent in just one language is almost a lifelong task. In two? Use both or recede in one. In more? You'd have to continually speak all those languages every single day to achieve and remain fluent. There aren't enough hours in the day.

By your standard, I would be able to say that I'm "fluent" in German, French, Spanish, Greek and English, because in my life I have held extended conversations with natives in each of them. I'M NOT. Not even close.

Enough with this bullshit. I'd love to see someone approach Melania and try to engage her in French. It's just like the college degree she claims she has but doesn't. Fluent in five languages my ass.

I think you have confused fluency with proficiency which are very different things. Anyway, judging by her accent she is not even fluent in English let alone proficient. She sounds like an elementary student. It's obvious to anyone who has any sort of experience in English as a second language either as a teacher or a student that she could not have possibly written this speech. Very few speakers of English as a second language can write on this level and none of them sounds like an elementary student when they speak.
ps. What you are describing is not even proficiency but mastery. By such strict standards it becomes almost impossible to learn any language unless you have started learning that language in prepubescent age.
http://www.examenglish.com/CEFR/cefr.php

I'm very interested in the topic of language acquisition. I have read numerous research papers on the subject so I think I know what I'm talking about.

 

[sportage]

Well, next we have the DNC convention, and Hillary.
So what are the the odds Hillary would plagiarized Melania who plagiarized Michelle?
And if Hillary did so, would republicans call that a criminal act worthy of criminal investigation, imprisonment, or death?
Would republican chant LOCK HER UP or call it treason demanding Hillary go before a firing squad?
If Hillary squeaked through the scandal, does anyone not believe republicans would hold senate hearing one after another for the next four years? Eight years?
Would be interesting to see how republicans respond to Hillary if she did the same.
No doubt they'd demand her death. Or worse.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Well, next we have the DNC convention, and Hillary.
So what are the the odds Hillary would plagiarized Melania who plagiarized Michelle?
And if Hillary did so, would republicans call that a criminal act worthy of criminal investigation, imprisonment, or death?
Would republican chant LOCK HER UP or call it treason demanding Hillary go before a firing squad?
If Hillary squeaked through the scandal, does anyone not believe republicans would hold senate hearing one after another for the next four years? Eight years?
Would be interesting to see how republicans respond to Hillary if she did the same.
No doubt they'd demand her death. Or worse.

No doubt! Look at you.

 

[DrPizza]

Analogy alert: Suppose you were an Olympic swimmer and a professional basketball player, "fluent" in both. Suppose it's off season for the NBA. Sure, you could go dazzle at a local court, but it takes any athlete time to get into game shape. And sure, you could beat all the others at the local pool, but if not in current training, you'd never be at peak form.

Now, add a third sport in there, DrPizza. How simultaneously proficient would you be?

This is what I'm saying, and what other people who spoke multiple languages have told me, in depth, as we discussed that difficulty.

Proficient doesn't mean you are among the very best at something - it means you're competent at doing something. Thus, you don't need to use "Olympic swimmer and a professional basketball player," because while a professional or Olympic player is proficient, so is a high school player. A good high school baseball player would be considered proficient; a 5 year old 5-ball player, not so much.

In your reply, you made use of the word "articulately" as a condition of fluency.

You may be confusing the word articulately with eloquently. Articulately is to express a thought precisely. "John is running down the street." "John is exercising bipedal locomotion to rapidly relocate himself toward the opposite extreme of the boulevard." Both articulate what is happening, the latter is eloquent. You don't need to speak like the latter to be considered fluent.

Per this: http://ilanguages.org/bilingual.php 13% of the world's population is trilingual.

• Monolingual: A person knowing only one language (40% of world population)
• Bilingual: A person using or able to use two languages especially with equal fluency (43% of world population)
• Trilingual: A person speaking three languages fluently (13% of world population)
• Multilingual: A person who speaks more than two languages, but used often for four languages or more (3% of world population speak more than 4 languages)
• Polyglot: Someone with a high degree of proficiency in several languages (less than 1‰ of world population speak 5 languages fluently)

Or, if some random website isn't good enough, then may I suggest scholar.google.com and search through the Journal of Multilingual and Multicultural Development. A peer reviewed journal, complete with references, with oodles of research on trilingual people. I also found a lot of places where people who were fluent in more than 3 languages discussed their fluency in a handful of languages while they felt that they didn't use some of the other languages often enough to consider themselves fluent any more - similar to the discussions you had with people, except these other people considered themselves very fluent in more than 2 languages.



That said, I still have doubts that Melania is actually fluent in 5 languages - that would place her in the top 1% of the world. And, as we've already seen, Trump has exaggerated her other qualities, perhaps trying to convince people he married her for some aspect other than being a "trophy wife." Given that she failed multiple classes her freshman year in college, it calls into question whether she is actually smart (or, she may have failed for lack of interest, or laziness) - and I certainly don't find someone who isn't intelligent to be a "trophy wife," regardless of her looks. Of course, given that when Trump is speaking freely (not a teleprompter), he has one of the lowest vocabulary level, perhaps she is suited to him as a trophy wife, having an intelligence similar to his own.

 

[agent00f]

To be fair to trump, he only sounds like a dumbass when speaking to them.

 

[Meghan54]

To be fair to trump, he only sounds like a dumbass when his lips move.

ftfy

 

[Lepton87]

Proficient doesn't mean you are among the very best at something - it means you're competent at doing something. Thus, you don't need to use "Olympic swimmer and a professional basketball player," because while a professional or Olympic player is proficient, so is a high school player. A good high school baseball player would be considered proficient; a 5 year old 5-ball player, not so much.
You may be confusing the word articulately with eloquently. Articulately is to express a thought precisely. "John is running down the street." "John is exercising bipedal locomotion to rapidly relocate himself toward the opposite extreme of the boulevard." Both articulate what is happening, the latter is eloquent. You don't need to speak like the latter to be considered fluent.

I would not consider that sentence eloquent rather it's just an inelegant verbose verbiage that needlessly complicates a very simple concept.

Eloquent, fluent, articulate, expressive are adjectives that characterize speech or speakers notable for their effectiveness. Eloquent suggests clarity and power: an eloquent plea for disarmament. Fluent, with a root sense of flowing, refers to easy, smooth, facile speech: fluent in three languages. Articulate characterizes a clear and effective speaker or speech: an articulate spokesman for tax reform. Expressive focuses on rendering intelligible or meaningful the ideas or feelings of a speaker or writer and implies an especially effective, vivid use of language: a deeply moving, powerfully expressive evocation of a city childhood.

 

[agent00f]

ftfy

No really, trump is like palin in that he's come to develop an effective intellectual impediment when speaking to a conservative political audience.

Before he acquired those skills:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZpMJeynBeg

In a way he's like the Obama for dumbasses.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Just like her Father
Made in China, same with her clothes

Also she blatantly copies other designers

 

[HomerJS]

Just like her Father
Made in China, same with her clothes

Also she blatantly copies other designers

Like Melinia copied Michelle Obama??