Meguiars car Kit 25 Free Shipping

[Pothead]

Zaino = durabilty with ok shine.
Blackfire = best of both worlds, not as much durabilty but better gloss

For the record, I have used Klasse, Zaino, Blackfire, Souveran, Zymol and will try 5 star platinum stuff this spring.

 

[UNCjigga]

Damn I wish I'd jumped on this sooner! Gonna be 60+ degrees this weekend and I need to wash my car!

 

[Salvador]

Zaino is the gold standard. For testing done on Zaino, Meguairs, and Zymol see:

What a sh*t test that was. This guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. I have heard good things about Zaino on the Z06 forums and I'm going to try it yet, but this test doesn't mean anything to me and I'll tell you why.

He's comparing what appears to be a polymer based wax to a Canuba based wax. The Polymer based wax will protect your car longer and be more durable, but it gives you more of a surfacy, less deep and sort of fake looking shine. The Carnuba gives you a much deeper and 3 dimensional shine. The problem is that the Carnuba doesn't last as long and has to be applied more often. This is all the guy is testing is the durability of the wax.

Also.. Why even bring that Zymol, Pep Boys polish crap into this test. That stuff is aweful. They brought it on the market when Zymol was purchased by Turtle Wax. The original owner may have control over the original Zymol products (I haven't seen a difference in quality), but this $20 auto parts store stuff is junk. Once again, this stuff is a Polymer based wax and doesn't have hardly any Carnuba in it. The stuff stinks too.

I've used everything here except for the Zaino. I personally use a product called Pinnacle and like it better than the original Zymol. I feel that they have a better product that's easier to work with and apply, yet it's less expensive. The packaging isn't as nice as Zymol, but I'd rather pay for the product, than packaging. The Carnuba rates for even their Paste Glaz is higher than the Concours wax by Zymol and about half as expensive. The Paintwork Cleansing Lotion (cleaner) blows Zymol's HD Cleans (too greasy for my tastes) out of the water and is much, much easier to work with than any Meguires product.

Now.. Where Zaino might have an advantage is that they seem to push the entire system with the clay bar and polish. Sure, you're going to get better results if you use a clay bar, cleaner, polish and then follow it up with a Carnuba wax or Polymer wax. I personally use a clay bar and the Professional hand polish from Meguires in between cleaning and my coat of Carnuba. I get fantastic results. My point here is that you can't compare a section that is cleaned and waxed to a section that was cleaned (with paint cleaner), clay barred, then polished, then waxed. It's just not a fair comparison.

Ok.. I'm not tearing apart Zaino here, just in case you're wondering. I'm going to try it this spring and see how I like it because I've heard so much about it lately. I'm just saying that this guys testing procedures blow.

As for the Meguire's kit here.. It's probably a decent kit. I use a lot of Meguires polish to remove scratches and imperfections. The Medium cut cleaner is great for removing anything that isn't through the paint. Some guy keyed my friends car once all over the door, but didn't go through the paint. I was able to get all the key marks out by polishing it with the Meguire's medium cut cleaner, followed up by the fine cut cleaner and then the swirrel remover. It's not the easiest stuff to work with, but it's a nice product and readility available. The Meguire's professional stuff is great, but you can't find that in your Pep Boys. I'll use this polish right before a coat of Pinnacle Souveran on a black car and you'd be blown away.

My point with the Mequire's is that the price is good and it's a good product. If you don't know anything about car care, get this kit to start. It's cheap and you should get some pretty nice results. Especially if you don't have a dark color car (black) or bright color like red or yellow. The other colors are much more forgiving of what you put on it.

I wanted to add one last thing. Many people have the misperception that the wax is what makes your car shiny. It isn't. All the wax is meant for is to protect your finish and enhance the shine. I know guys with show cars that only use a cleaner and polish and don't even put wax on their car. If you have a climate controlled garage and your car is never in the elements, there is no point in putting wax on your car. The key to great results is in the paint prep. A great cleaner is the foundation of your finish preperation. Heh.. When I detail cars for people and they see the car before it's finished, they usually say that the car looks great with the wax. I tell them that I haven't even waxed the car yet. I'm still cleaning it and they just shake their head. If you don't have good paint preperation before the wax or polymer protectant, forgot about it looking good. That's my problem with Zaino as I look at it. Zaino pushes a more extended paint prep system and if you did these many steps with another car care system, you'd get much better results too.

Anyway.. I'll stop talking now. 😉

Sal

 

[iamme]

Sweet.......awesome gift for someone who just bought a new car. (bought one for me too, hehehe)

Thanks as always, Jokersmoker 🙂

 

[Salvador]

Sweet.......awesome gift for someone who just bought a new car. (bought one for me too, hehehe)

Make sure the paint has had time to cure before you apply any kind of wax to it. Rule of thumb is about 2-3 months from the build date.

Sal

 

[ThomasR]

Thanks, good price for all the products.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: Salvador

Sweet.......awesome gift for someone who just bought a new car. (bought one for me too, hehehe)

Make sure the paint has had time to cure before you apply any kind of wax to it. Rule of thumb is about 2-3 months from the build date.

Sal

it's a new, used car 😉 thanks for the advice, though 😀

 

[SearchMaster]

I'm in for two (one for me, one for my dad who is a Meguiar's diehard fan).

Thanks!

 

[AnMig]

Its was 20 degress below here last week but I still ordered this. Its probably going to be another 4 months before I actually
clean my own car. But I bought this just the same. Been using plain trutle wax. But reading all the comments here about these wax products decided to jump in.

thanks for deal joker

 

[all168]

Originally posted by: AnMig
Its was 20 degress below here last week but I still ordered this. Its probably going to be another 4 months before I actually
clean my own car. But I bought this just the same. Been using plain trutle wax. But reading all the comments here about these wax products decided to jump in.

thanks for deal joker

Wow, in So Cal LA here will be 90 degree today and little cooler tomorrow. not a good day for waxing.

 

[MustangSVT]

ordered one.. thanx 😉

hope my 2003 silver civic LX likes it.

yeah we do have horrible weather + tons of salt here in chicago area 🙂

 

[frugal]

Costco sells a 2 bottle pack of Zymol for $15 or $20 - I can't remember exactly.

 

[tortio]

I'm in! I need to get all of this stuff anyways.

Thanks!

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: dajeepster
hmmm... I want to know what works best with a new car. I use Meguiars Gold Glass soap on my s2000, but I refuse to wax it because of the miniscule little scratches (the sun make it noticeable) that waxing leaves on the clear coat. (made that mistake with a black honda civic one time). Waxing is good for older cars, but what about newer ones.

You really need to tell us what kind of wax you used. There are real waxes and products that claim to be waxes but are wierd all in one products that can leave scratches.

 

[unchoops23]

This is a good deal. Personally I am a clay bar person. Just once a year makes a world of difference. Used it on my '96 Grand Am (may she rest in peace) and touching the paint on the clayed portion vs. non-clayed was like running my hand accross ice vs. sandpaper. My car was white and it was amazing how much crap it took out of the clear coat (tar, bug remains, etc.) I found Mother's to be a great kit that I followed up with a coat of Carnuba wax. I did pick up the Meguiars clay bar to use on my new Silver Saab 9-3 though down the road though. Just my 2 cents, but I think the clay bar is well worth the few hours of elbow grease it takes to do.

 

[unchoops23]

By the way, autobarn has great prices on car care stuff and has free shipping until Valentines day.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Salvador

Zaino is the gold standard. For testing done on Zaino, Meguairs, and Zymol see:

What a sh*t test that was. This guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. I have heard good things about Zaino on the Z06 forums and I'm going to try it yet, but this test doesn't mean anything to me and I'll tell you why. He's comparing what appears to be a polymer based wax to a Canuba based wax. The Polymer based wax will protect your car longer and be more durable, but it gives you more of a surfacy, less deep and sort of fake looking shine. The Carnuba gives you a much deeper and 3 dimensional shine. The problem is that the Carnuba doesn't last as long and has to be applied more often. This is all the guy is testing is the durability of the wax. Also.. Why even bring that Zymol, Pep Boys polish crap into this test. That stuff is aweful. They brought it on the market when Zymol was purchased by Turtle Wax. The original owner may have control over the original Zymol products (I haven't seen a difference in quality), but this $20 auto parts store stuff is junk. Once again, this stuff is a Polymer based wax and doesn't have hardly any Carnuba in it. The stuff stinks too. I've used everything here except for the Zaino. I personally use a product called Pinnacle and like it better than the original Zymol. I feel that they have a better product that's easier to work with and apply, yet it's less expensive. The packaging isn't as nice as Zymol, but I'd rather pay for the product, than packaging. The Carnuba rates for even their Paste Glaz is higher than the Concours wax by Zymol and about half as expensive. The Paintwork Cleansing Lotion (cleaner) blows Zymol's HD Cleans (too greasy for my tastes) out of the water and is much, much easier to work with than any Meguires product. Now.. Where Zaino might have an advantage is that they seem to push the entire system with the clay bar and polish. Sure, you're going to get better results if you use a clay bar, cleaner, polish and then follow it up with a Carnuba wax or Polymer wax. I personally use a clay bar and the Professional hand polish from Meguires in between cleaning and my coat of Carnuba. I get fantastic results. My point here is that you can't compare a section that is cleaned and waxed to a section that was cleaned (with paint cleaner), clay barred, then polished, then waxed. It's just not a fair comparison. Ok.. I'm not tearing apart Zaino here, just in case you're wondering. I'm going to try it this spring and see how I like it because I've heard so much about it lately. I'm just saying that this guys testing procedures blow. As for the Meguire's kit here.. It's probably a decent kit. I use a lot of Meguires polish to remove scratches and imperfections. The Medium cut cleaner is great for removing anything that isn't through the paint. Some guy keyed my friends car once all over the door, but didn't go through the paint. I was able to get all the key marks out by polishing it with the Meguire's medium cut cleaner, followed up by the fine cut cleaner and then the swirrel remover. It's not the easiest stuff to work with, but it's a nice product and readility available. The Meguire's professional stuff is great, but you can't find that in your Pep Boys. I'll use this polish right before a coat of Pinnacle Souveran on a black car and you'd be blown away. My point with the Mequire's is that the price is good and it's a good product. If you don't know anything about car care, get this kit to start. It's cheap and you should get some pretty nice results. Especially if you don't have a dark color car (black) or bright color like red or yellow. The other colors are much more forgiving of what you put on it. I wanted to add one last thing. Many people have the misperception that the wax is what makes your car shiny. It isn't. All the wax is meant for is to protect your finish and enhance the shine. I know guys with show cars that only use a cleaner and polish and don't even put wax on their car. If you have a climate controlled garage and your car is never in the elements, there is no point in putting wax on your car. The key to great results is in the paint prep. A great cleaner is the foundation of your finish preperation. Heh.. When I detail cars for people and they see the car before it's finished, they usually say that the car looks great with the wax. I tell them that I haven't even waxed the car yet. I'm still cleaning it and they just shake their head. If you don't have good paint preperation before the wax or polymer protectant, forgot about it looking good. That's my problem with Zaino as I look at it. Zaino pushes a more extended paint prep system and if you did these many steps with another car care system, you'd get much better results too. Anyway.. I'll stop talking now. 😉 Sal

I have agree with you. Firstly that test is poorly constructed and doesn't really tell us anything useful about those products for all the valid reasons that you pointed out and that I won't bother repeating. Besides any test that could have given that nasty Turtle Wax Zymol such praise is pretty obviously flawed - I tried that garbage when I didn't know better and I got crappy results. I also agree that comparing a polymer based "wax" to a real Carnuba is pointless. They both have different properties that different people look for, as you said if you want long term protection - get the Zaino stuff, if you want the best look get real Carnuba. That polymer look in my opinion is kind of fake, but everyone has different needs so each to his own.

I also like to mix up the stuff I use because their are a lot of companies out there making good products including Pinnacle, Meguiars, P21S, Surluster, One Grand, and even 3M (I love that Imperial Hand Glaze of theirs - cheap and gets the job done). I think Zymol stuff is good, but ridiculously overpriced and it sort appeals to people looking for certain attributes (all natural, good for environment etc.). I also believe that different companies make better products for each stage of the washing, cleaning, and waxing process (I am still too scared to try a clay bar - that stuff sounds like it is for people who know what they're doing). For a beginner there is actually nothing that is better than Meguiar's since it is easily available and blows away Turtle Wax and other Walmart quality stuff, and it is pretty darn good stuff in its own right.

The point is that there are different products for different needs, but rarely have I found that following a single manufacturers 'system' is the best for results/cost/ease of use.

 

[Salvador]

I have agree with you. Firstly that test is poorly constructed and doesn't really tell us anything useful about those products for all the valid reasons that you pointed out and that I won't bother repeating. Besides any test that could have given that nasty Turtle Wax Zymol such praise is pretty obviously flawed - I tried that garbage when I didn't know better and I got crappy results. I also agree that comparing a polymer based "wax" to a real Carnuba is pointless. They both have different properties that different people look for, as you said if you want long term protection - get the Zaino stuff, if you want the best look get real Carnuba. That polymer look in my opinion is kind of fake, but everyone has different needs so each to his own.

I also like to mix up the stuff I use because their are a lot of companies out there making good products including Pinnacle, Meguiars, P21S, Surluster, One Grand, and even 3M (I love that Imperial Hand Glaze of theirs - cheap and gets the job done). I think Zymol stuff is good, but ridiculously overpriced and it sort appeals to people looking for certain attributes (all natural, good for environment etc.). I also believe that different companies make better products for each stage of the washing, cleaning, and waxing process (I am still too scared to try a clay bar - that stuff sounds like it is for people who know what they're doing). For a beginner there is actually nothing that is better than Meguiar's since it is easily available and blows away Turtle Wax and other Walmart quality stuff, and it is pretty darn good stuff in its own right.

The point is that there are different products for different needs, but rarely have I found that following a single manufacturers 'system' is the best for results/cost/ease of use.

Agreed.

I use a mix of products as well. I find myself trying all sorts of different combinations. I was even thinking about buying the Zaino polish/sealer and trying a coat of it before adding a coat of Carnuba. There's no sense in me buying products like Zaino's clay bar when I've got a very similar product already. I think I have a clay bar from Mother's, Eagle One and Pinnacle sitting in my basement.

I usually recommend the Pinnacle line of car care products though. I like most all of their products better than the Zymol equivelent and it's cheaper. The only thing that Zymol has that Pinnacle doesn't and I really like is a product called "Seal". It's a great rubber door seal moisterizing product.

The reason why I recommend one product is because I don't like to confuse people. I always tell them to start off with a kit that contains at least a good paint cleaner and paste wax. They can always add to it later and if they are into experimenting like I am, they can try all sorts of things.

My personal favorite Carnuba wax for dark colors is Pinnacle Souveran. The stuff just blows me away whenever I use it on a black, red or yellow car. If it's a lighter color car, I'll actually use Pinnacle's Paste Glaz. It has a lower concentration of Carnuba (still has a higher concentration of Carnuba than Zymol's Concours and is 1/3 the price) and higher concentration of polymers. I find that the polymer's do last longer to protect the car and you can't tell the difference, in my eyes, on something like a silver car. I still use a lot of the Meguire's products to get rough paint back into shape. Their fine cut cleaner is great. I really like their #9 swirrel remover. I also use their Professional hand polish. It really richen's the paint and makes it look awesome when it's followed up with a good coat of Carnuba.

Another pro trick is to use a Polymer based sealer and then go over that with a good Carnuba wax. You sort of get the best of both worlds.

Just like SXR7171 said though. This Maguiar's is leaps and bounds better than anything you'll find at your local Pep Boys or Wal-mart. Maguiar's (I always fail to remember how to spell it. Heh) was my first experience with hi end car care products. This is a great price for this kit too for what you get.

Sal