MEET THE PRESS: Ron Paul

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: dyn2nvu
They are desperate aren't they? Lies, falling ratings, poor tv shows...

I respect the fervor with which people support Ron Paul, but you can't really think he has a chance, can you?

It's better than really thinking some other ignoramus is going to get elected, only to run our country into the ground. You don't want something better?

I could deal with Edwards, maybe Obama...the rest...real gems there. /sarcasm

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Paul will be lucky to top 10% in Iowa. If he does better than 6th place he will have acheived a victory.

Paul wants to end their subsidies. why would he be anywhere near the top there? mccain wants to end their subsidies too, and he'll look like crap in iowa. yea corn state?

Originally posted by: OokiiNeko

However that small radical element part managed to kill nearly 3000 people on 9-11.

There are still very big unanswered questions about that.

there really aren't. but that's a whole 'nother thread.

 

[ElFenix]

doh

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
No it's not meaningless. He has served his nation.
I suppose hatred of the US military is coming soon though, heck everyone I know currently in the military supports Ron Paul. That's about a dozen people from 20-30, but I'd wager thats more than you know who think it's a well-conceived idea to be nation building.
They do their duty and what the US asks with honor, you should not disregard the fact he had the desire to serve his nation in the armed forces. Which means he has a valuable life experience (in many regards) that you do not have.

I send out a package every month, on the dot, to a serviceman in my family in Iraq. What's wrong with you that you can't respect their service to this country by even acknowledging its significance?

My dad and my brother have 40+ years in the Navy. My step dad served in Vietnam, my uncle was in the army. My former roomie is still in the navy. All of my good friends when I lived in Virginia were in the Navy.

My comment went to the 'I was in the Army, you weren't, so don't talk to me about the military' attitude that he had.

I've never been a police man, does that mean I can't talk about law and order issues?
Never been a doctor, can I not talk about healthcare? etc etc etc

So do your military family and friends like being thrown into harms way just because your penis is too small and you attempt to compensate by being an armchair general?

PS The problem isn't in your weighing in on the issue. The problem is that you say we need to look tough, but you contribute nothing to the cause.

So you have contributed to the cause......by as you put it being in the Army?
Sad you think that sets you apart from others....

 

[OokiiNeko]

there really aren't. but that's a whole 'nother thread.

Just this one comment, if we really get going on 9-11, will start another thread.

When other "conventional wisdom", parroted by the MSM, has been questionable, do you not see a pattern?

To bring it back on topic, that`s like the MSM "conventional wisdom" that voting machines (which will be used in the primaries) cannot provide a paper trail. No one questions that bullshit?

Three easy letters: A-T-M.

Perhaps no one is worried about Paul because the fix (in the machines) is already in.

 

[MadRat]

Not sure any of the electronic voting machines will still be certified by election day. Their certs seem to be dropping like flies.

 

[brxndxn]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Not sure any of the electronic voting machines will still be certified by election day. Their certs seem to be dropping like flies.

Good.. there's nothing wrong with using paper ballots. Hell, I wish we could use stone ballots... I would definitely not mind casting my vote in stone.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: OokiiNeko

there really aren't. but that's a whole 'nother thread.

Just this one comment, if we really get going on 9-11, will start another thread.

When other "conventional wisdom", parroted by the MSM, has been questionable, do you not see a pattern?

To bring it back on topic, that`s like the MSM "conventional wisdom" that voting machines (which will be used in the primaries) cannot provide a paper trail. No one questions that bullshit?

Three easy letters: A-T-M.

Perhaps no one is worried about Paul because the fix (in the machines) is already in.

uh, when did that become 'conventional wisdom'?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
No it's not meaningless. He has served his nation.
I suppose hatred of the US military is coming soon though, heck everyone I know currently in the military supports Ron Paul. That's about a dozen people from 20-30, but I'd wager thats more than you know who think it's a well-conceived idea to be nation building.
They do their duty and what the US asks with honor, you should not disregard the fact he had the desire to serve his nation in the armed forces. Which means he has a valuable life experience (in many regards) that you do not have.

I send out a package every month, on the dot, to a serviceman in my family in Iraq. What's wrong with you that you can't respect their service to this country by even acknowledging its significance?

My dad and my brother have 40+ years in the Navy. My step dad served in Vietnam, my uncle was in the army. My former roomie is still in the navy. All of my good friends when I lived in Virginia were in the Navy.

My comment went to the 'I was in the Army, you weren't, so don't talk to me about the military' attitude that he had.

I've never been a police man, does that mean I can't talk about law and order issues?
Never been a doctor, can I not talk about healthcare? etc etc etc

So do your military family and friends like being thrown into harms way just because your penis is too small and you attempt to compensate by being an armchair general?

PS The problem isn't in your weighing in on the issue. The problem is that you say we need to look tough, but you contribute nothing to the cause.

So you have contributed to the cause......by as you put it being in the Army?
Sad you think that sets you apart from others....

When the issue is "looking tough" to the rest of the world, you're goddam right it sets me apart from chicken shits like ProfJohn who do nothing other than supporting hawkish presidents who send people who DO have big enough stones to join the military.

If you and ProfJohn want to pretend to be tough to the rest of the world, join the military and go kill people yourselves.

 

[OokiiNeko]

Paul wants to end their subsidies. why would he be anywhere near the top there?

Whose subsidies? Family farmers or corporate farming operations?

BTW, Paul`s district is made up of mostly farmers.

uh, when did that become 'conventional wisdom'?

Haven`t watched much TV for years, so don`t know what is being said now. I do know that for three, four maybe five years, Diebold was saying their machines cannot provide a papertrail. And the MSM just ate it right up. No questions. Wasn`t this the case?

And are you telling me that machines now provide a papertrail to follow?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
No it's not meaningless. He has served his nation.
I suppose hatred of the US military is coming soon though, heck everyone I know currently in the military supports Ron Paul. That's about a dozen people from 20-30, but I'd wager thats more than you know who think it's a well-conceived idea to be nation building.
They do their duty and what the US asks with honor, you should not disregard the fact he had the desire to serve his nation in the armed forces. Which means he has a valuable life experience (in many regards) that you do not have.

I send out a package every month, on the dot, to a serviceman in my family in Iraq. What's wrong with you that you can't respect their service to this country by even acknowledging its significance?

My dad and my brother have 40+ years in the Navy. My step dad served in Vietnam, my uncle was in the army. My former roomie is still in the navy. All of my good friends when I lived in Virginia were in the Navy.

My comment went to the 'I was in the Army, you weren't, so don't talk to me about the military' attitude that he had.

I've never been a police man, does that mean I can't talk about law and order issues?
Never been a doctor, can I not talk about healthcare? etc etc etc

So do your military family and friends like being thrown into harms way just because your penis is too small and you attempt to compensate by being an armchair general?

PS The problem isn't in your weighing in on the issue. The problem is that you say we need to look tough, but you contribute nothing to the cause.

So you have contributed to the cause......by as you put it being in the Army?
Sad you think that sets you apart from others....

When the issue is "looking tough" to the rest of the world, you're goddam right it sets me apart from chicken shits like ProfJohn who do nothing other than supporting hawkish presidents who send people who DO have big enough stones to join the military.

If you and ProfJohn want to pretend to be tough to the rest of the world, join the military and go kill people yourselves.

Dude....I spend over 20 years in the military!
You talk about killing people how many have you killed or are you just some rookie private who thinks he is God`s gift to the military?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: cpmer
He is not an isolationist he just believes in non intervention.

A distinction without a difference.

Only to a fool like you.

Isolationism is pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist. Non-intervention is allowing other nations to solve their own problems without sending hundreds of thousands of Americans to do it for them.

Like Darfur?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: RaiderJ

Originally posted by: loki8481
interesting interview.

I wasn't aware of Ron Paul's magical theory that pulling all troops in from overseas will solve America's debt... unless he's planning on firing them all?

seemed like every domestic question that Russert asked, RP brought it back to the war.

Considering it's a massive yearly expense, it would be a big first step in solving our debt problem.

Yup We are STILL in GERMANY!

Crap can't we get outta there yet!

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
I am beginning to agree with an earlier observation: Paul supporters are behaving like GWB supporters, their guy can do or say no wrong.

Before getting too carried away with dramatic statements, consider that I possibly qualify as a Paul supporter and said this in this very thread.

"Yes, the man isn't perfection... he's just the best this country has seen in hundreds of years. Only a visionary with true insight on what's going on in the world said the things he said, and voted the way he did back when the Iraq war was being instigated. "

Is he good stuff? He's the freshest breath of air we've gotten a long time.
Perfect? That's YOUR misconception of what people are saying.

The Libertarians have been around a while. Outside of being a "Republican" Paul is pretty much a Libertarian.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: cpmer
He is not an isolationist he just believes in non intervention.

A distinction without a difference.

Only to a fool like you.

Isolationism is pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist. Non-intervention is allowing other nations to solve their own problems without sending hundreds of thousands of Americans to do it for them.

Like Darfur?

Action in Darfur is being blocked by the Chinese, they run the show there.

I get tired of repeating this.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Dude....I spend over 20 years in the military!
You talk about killing people how many have you killed or are you just some rookie private who thinks he is God`s gift to the military?

:roll:

I was discharged long ago. I put in a few years and realized the military wasn't for me. I despise authority.

So having served yourself, are you telling me you believe we need to invade other countries from time to time just to prove to the world that we're tough?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: cpmer
He is not an isolationist he just believes in non intervention.

A distinction without a difference.

Only to a fool like you.

Isolationism is pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist. Non-intervention is allowing other nations to solve their own problems without sending hundreds of thousands of Americans to do it for them.

Like Darfur?

Darfur is not our problem.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: GrGr
Ron Paul is now one of the top 3 repub candidates for President

That's sure to get some republicans' panties in a twist

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Where in the world do you get Ron Paul in the top three? McCain in now rising up from the dead and polls place him at 20% or better, Giuliani is losing support and still doing better than McCain, Romney and Huckabee are also viable and both command around 15% or better poll numbers. And even the sinking Fred Thompson is still double digits. Leaving Ron Paul a somewhat distant 6'th place. With today's Meet the Press figures for Ron Paul at 8% poll numbers.

The polling methods are flawed and therefore aren't indicative of the true support for Ron Paul.

Agreed, the primary results will be the only clear indication of the size of his support. Take that statement as you will.