Meet the future of burger flipping.

[exdeath]

This is what happens when no skill workers successfully get minimum wage bumped to $15/hr.

Grats, now a machine is cheaper and you get $0 / hr. Have fun with your iPhone and bmw payments now.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

This is what happens when no skill workers successfully get minimum wage bumped to $15/hr.

Grats, now a machine is cheaper and you get $0 / hr. Have fun with your iPhone and bmw payments now.

Don't worry, they will still blame the evil middle class and pseudo 1%-ers. It's much easier than blaming themselves for waking up 35 years old, getting stoned, and flipping burgers for ronald.

 

[theeedude]

Yes, because minimum wage earners are just rolling in their BMW's while talking on their iPhones. You rightwingers are hilariously out of touch with reality.

 

[zephyrprime]

Ultimately the issue has nothing to do with minimum wage or petty economics. The real issue is that human themselves can and will become obsolete. Technologies exist or will exist to that exceed human performance at ever metric including speed, power, size, energy efficiency, and eventually even intellect. What's really going on here is the evolution into some sort of robotic creature that doesn't need humans anymore.

People arguing about minimum wage protesters making this happen faster are idiots who completely miss the larger issue even though they are correct on the immediate issue. Also, I have no doubt that a fast food making machine could easily be created now that is much cheaper per unit of food produced that a human worker. The level of technology required is not great at all. The google self driving car is already far more intelligent than a fast food making machine would need to be.

At best, for humans, the world will be segregated into two parts: one with technology and one that only has minimal tech. The part with minimal tech will just keep going on for the indefinite future until the earth eventually dies. The other part will have an ever decreasing number of humans in it and eventually evolve into some sort of cybernetic robot thing that leaves earth.

 

[BoberFett]

Yes, because minimum wage earners are just rolling in their BMW's while talking on their iPhones. You rightwingers are hilariously out of touch with reality.

I've known quite a few lower middle class people who have chosen to purchase used BMWs. A smart person with limited income would buy a reliable car that is affordable to fix, but status and image are #1 in this country.

 

[exdeath]

Yes, because minimum wage earners are just rolling in their BMW's while talking on their iPhones. You rightwingers are hilariously out of touch with reality.

Yeah totally making up stories about minorities getting out of chrome rimmed Escalades and the like at the DES office or BMWs at trailer parks and apartments.

You see the trash that shops walmart yet half the parking lot is Mercedes and bmws, and SUVs with $3000+ rims, explain that? Yet the shoppers inside are whipping out EBT cards like its in style.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Yes, because minimum wage earners are just rolling in their BMW's while talking on their iPhones. You rightwingers are hilariously out of touch with reality.

Our tag/license office is right next to the welfare office... And I am amazed every time I go, at how the welfare parking lot is chock full of $20k++ vehicles... Jaguars, lexus, but primarily newer chryslers.


There was a rumor in my state a few years back that a couple of dodge/chrysler dealerships were partially subsidizing cars through the welfare office as part of some backasswards deal involving purchasing cop cars at a discount.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Yeah totally making up stories about minorities getting out of chrome rimmed Escalades and the like at the DES office or BMWs at trailer parks and apartments.

You see the trash that shops walmart yet half the parking lot is Mercedes and bmws, and SUVs with $3000+ rims, explain that?

Seriously LOL'ing at these people thinking that the majority of handout takers are just suffering practically to death. Shit most of them look better fed than 1%ers.

 

[theeedude]

People who think a lower minimum wage will save workers' jobs from technology are simply delusional. If it's between $10 and $7 per hour, it will take technology an extra year or two to cut costs by 30%, and the outcome will be the same. It takes a certain amount of money to support a human being, no getting around it. So there is a floor on how much workers can be paid, unless you want to expand the welfare state and have the government permanently supplementing their wages. There is no such floor on how much it costs to have a robot flipping burgers. It's entirely up to technology and volume.

 

[theeedude]

Our tag/license office is right next to the welfare office... And I am amazed every time I go, at how the welfare parking lot is chock full of $20k++ vehicles... Jaguars, lexus, but primarily newer chryslers.


There was a rumor in my state a few years back that a couple of dodge/chrysler dealerships were partially subsidizing cars through the welfare office as part of some backasswards deal involving purchasing cop cars at a discount.

Still perpetuating the "Welfare queens in Cadillacs" lie?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Still perpetuating the "Welfare queens in Cadillacs" lie?

More like chargers and 300ms, in my experience. Go swing by your local welfare office and scope out the parking lot.

 

[theeedude]

More like chargers and 300ms, in my experience. Go swing by your local welfare office and scope out the parking lot.

That's a stupid way to draw your conclusion. Not only is it completely anecdotal, but it's not even accurate.
You don't know whose cars those are. Could be someone working there, or someone giving a family member a ride. Social services offices are not just for welfare either.

 

[Exophase]

I want one for my house.

Me too.

 

[CitizenKain]

Yeah totally making up stories about minorities getting out of chrome rimmed Escalades and the like at the DES office or BMWs at trailer parks and apartments.

You see the trash that shops walmart yet half the parking lot is Mercedes and bmws, and SUVs with $3000+ rims, explain that? Yet the shoppers inside are whipping out EBT cards like its in style.

Its always funny seeing you rightwing trash make up stories like this still.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

That's a stupid way to draw your conclusion. Not only is it completely anecdotal, but it's not even accurate.
You don't know whose cars those are. Could be someone working there, or someone giving a family member a ride. Social services offices are not just for welfare either.

Of course it's anecdotal, as doing any real research on what types of cars handout takers drive goes against the modern progressive voting machine... They've made that sort of thing politically incorrect.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Its always funny seeing you rightwing trash make up stories like this still.

It sounds like a mirror image to my area as well. Of course I only go to wal mart to buy ammo, but it's 90%+ brand new chargers/300m with some jags, lexus, huge SUVs thrown in, and only about 10% cars worth less than $5k or so.

It's shocking, when you consider that walmart receives roughly 40% of all food stamps period. Their entire business model revolves around people who rely on government handout programs, yet their customers can somehow afford to drive brand new vehicles.

 

[CitizenKain]

It sounds like a mirror image to my area as well. Of course I only go to wal mart to buy ammo, but it's 90%+ brand new chargers/300m with some jags, lexus, huge SUVs thrown in, and only about 10% cars worth less than $5k or so.

It's shocking, when you consider that walmart receives roughly 40% of all food stamps period. Their entire business model revolves around people who rely on government handout programs, yet their customers can somehow afford to drive brand new vehicles.

Hahaha, sure its full of those cars.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Hahaha, sure its full of those cars.

Of course I'm estimating here, but I would guess easily 90% are >$20k cars.


Again, for a store whose business model revolves around customers on welfare, it stands to reason that people who shop there should be driving economy cars.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Although really, it would be easier if handout takers had to wear a scarlet W at all times. Caught without your letter? Benefits permanently revoked.

These people should be required to move over for tax paying citizens, give up their places in lines, and so on. They don't work, so they should be grateful for the large segment of society who give up their hard earned $$ to make life so easy for them.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Our tag/license office is right next to the welfare office... And I am amazed every time I go, at how the welfare parking lot is chock full of $20k++ vehicles... Jaguars, lexus, but primarily newer chryslers.


There was a rumor in my state a few years back that a couple of dodge/chrysler dealerships were partially subsidizing cars through the welfare office as part of some backasswards deal involving purchasing cop cars at a discount.

I'd guess those cars are getting tags like you were?
But for fun, where exactly is this , I want to google earth it

 

[CitizenKain]

Although really, it would be easier if handout takers had to wear a scarlet W at all times. Caught without your letter? Benefits permanently revoked.

These people should be required to move over for tax paying citizens, give up their places in lines, and so on. They don't work, so they should be grateful for the large segment of society who give up their hard earned $$ to make life so easy for them.

I'm sure everyone is grateful for the 30 dollars in taxes you pay every year.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I'm sure everyone is grateful for the 30 dollars in taxes you pay every year.

I bet you are.

 

[Jaskalas]

Since the elimination of jobs through automation cannot be avoided in the future, the long term question is what happens to all these people who are out of jobs.

That's the trillion dollar question, but I don't see a lot of discussion about that.

I fear it means they will not be self sufficent. Not that being a job holding employee makes you an island... but it gave people comfort in some sort of illusion of choice. Without that job the realities of our situation become more clear.

What we have here is a Star Trek style dilemma. We're arriving at the point of having to provide for people sans currency being involved. Or at least without productivity in the classical sense.

Automation may be forcing us towards the cusp of a great leap in human sociological / economical evolution. Not sure I fully appreciate it yet, but something has gotta give.

 

[Atreus21]

I think we may have had this discussion (re: automation) before in the distant past.

I remember that discussion too.

In the past, when blue collar jobs were eliminated, people adapted by moving into the white collar sector. 80 years ago, we had a much higher percentage of blue collar v. white collar than we do now. Opportunities for higher education and training helped. Back then, there were many people doing blue collar work who were smart enough for white collar jobs. That isn't so much the case anymore because virtually anyone smart enough has gone to college and is in the white collar sector already.

Beyond that, I agree with what you're saying. Of course, people do not create jobs to be magnanimous. There must be a need. Which is precisely my point. Machines will incrementally replace the need for human labor. Blue collar jobs will go away first by a long shot. Many of those people cannot be re-trained even if there is a need, which is far from a given.

If you call this a cop-out, I won't blame you. But it's honest.

I have a hard time accepting your assertion. It's kind of like fretting that the sun will explode in 4 billion years. The economy is complex. Maddeningly so. Whenever machinery utterly takes over the need for ALL manual labor (a condition I'm not sure that I accept), it will be sufficiently far into the future as to render any current conjecture into the situation nearly useless. In short, your statement assumes that a whole lot remains constant while the entirely economy fundamentally changes.

 

[Atreus21]

Its always funny seeing you rightwing trash make up stories like this still.

I may be rightwing trash, but I've seen it too. I saw a guy try to finance a beamer with unemployment benefits.