Medicare and Medicaid are programs.. LOL crazy Bill Oreilly

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Moonbeam

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I need help, apparently. There is something wrong with my brain. I look at the video and see something that is clearly not there:

Billo is clearly correct both in his statements and in his rage. Republicans want to cut government spending as do the American people. And this is their appeal to the American people. Most people feel that debt isn't a good thing. That is a simple minded point of view in my opinion too, about which I am also clearly wrong, but it is a different debate. But they, the Republicans, do not want to say what should be cut. That is because all of the programs Republicans want to cut the American people do not want cut. That is why they want to extort from the President where the cuts will be made, so they can stay popular with wanting to cut, but cutting nothing that the people want. They want the President to do their dirty work for them, but sadly he is just as smart as they are. He will give as little as he can on any specifics. This is why Billo is enraged. He is part of the clown act called the Republican party who want cuts but knowing cuts are unpopular and want the President to take the anger of the people while they get credit for budget reductions and it's not working. The President is an asshole because he has painted them into their own corner of hypocritical lies. They want the fiction of appearing responsible without taking any of the heat. They are cowardly assholes who will not govern because nobody wants their ideas when they are made specific. And Obama won't specify for them. He speaks in the same generalities they do. The clown act is that because they will not be specific that rage at the President for it, and any who would defend him. They fucked themselves in the ass and they are pissed off. Of course, in the mean time, they have fucked us all too.

So while only a sleaze bag piece of cowardly pond scum would try to cut government programs popular to the people by getting the other party to do the specific cutting, if you are trying to maintain denial about your cunning, you will rant and rave about the lack of the other's specificity and you will be right and your anger will be quite real and heart felt. The other party isn't going to commit Seppuku for you.

There is a basic contradiction is conservative philosophy that runs against big government while wanting to be elected to run it. The people don't like the idea of government but they like what it does. So Republicans must always run against the idea of big government and never against what it does. So in order to be a Republican you have to be brain dead by pretending to life in a world that can't exist.

But so long as such swill are out there to use specifics proposed by the other party to defeat them at elections, we will have government of morons by morons for morons. If we could wipe this shit our of government with toilet paper voting, the democrats who do believe in government for real, would be free to fix it with specifics.

Can't say they would, but it will never ever happen the other way. To hate government is to hate yourself. That is all it can or ever will be. We will destroy ourselves if we allow self hate to be who we are.
 
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ShawnD1

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Billo is clearly correct both in his statements and in his rage. Republicans want to cut government spending as do the American people.

No, Americans do not want to cut spending. Poll after poll after poll shows this. Do you want to cut social security? No. Do you want to cut the military? No. Do you want to cut medicare? No. Do you want to cut public education? No.
 
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It's certainly not for a lack of trying to get opposing view points. Its just that when republican politicians do come on they get owned (see rand Paul). Most politicians like to play it safe and stick to shows that will make them look good.

More lies from the left! Rand Paul was the one who was owning he didn't get owned

Its the left who gets continually owned
 

HumblePie

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Bill O'Bluster is a loser.

Same with Glenn Beck, Hannity, and all the other shills.

But the same can be said for other partisan hacks out there. Olberman, Piers Morgan, Rachel Madow, John Stewart, Ann Coulter...

Basically everyone on this damn list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pundits_in_the_United_States


They all have a time when they present a damn decent logic argument with actual facts.... then they all go off the deep end on various issues that makes them completely blind to any form of logic or fact directed back at them.

I will admit though I find John Stewart and Colbert funny most of the time. Although I don't agree with everything they say, they can at least deliver a punchline from time to time.

Some of those on the list have completely turned me off as massive losers. Glenn Beck and Piers Morgan are the two front runners to ever be the biggest loser pundits.
 

Sonikku

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I wish everyone in the news media was as open minded and unbiased as oreilly. His stances resonate with my own fair and balanced perceptions.
 

Moonbeam

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No, Americans do not want to cut spending. Poll after poll after poll shows this. Do you want to cut social security? No. Do you want to cut the military? No. Do you want to cut medicare? No. Do you want to cut public education? No.

Do you need glasses?
 

sunzt

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The whole FY13 budget is proposed here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/tables.pdf

The line items and details start on pg 14 and are interesting to anyone who likes this type of stuff.

While there is a lot of spending increases, there are also cuts throughout (aside form the tax increase on the wealthy) to various agencies including the EPA.

You can also see he tried to reform the international tax code to try to bring some of the money back to the states:

"Defer deduction of interest expense related to deferred income of foreign subsidiaries"
"Determine the foreign tax credit on a pooling basis"
"Tax currently excess returns associated with transfers of intangibles offshore"
 
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So you post something that shows a generic acceptance of cuts but opposition to military cuts? That actually supports what he said and makes no mention of any other single program.

How about these articles instead?

http://www.businessinsider.com/fisc...xes-republicans-boehner-cuts-medicare-2012-12

http://www.businessinsider.com/fisc...ts-medicare-eligibility-obama-boehner-2012-12

Perhaps you can show me here which program Americans favor cuts to.

http://www.profutures.com/article.php/838/

ft130226-fig1.jpg
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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So you post something that shows a generic acceptance of cuts but opposition to military cuts? That actually supports what he said and makes no mention of any other single program.

How about these articles instead?

http://www.businessinsider.com/fisc...xes-republicans-boehner-cuts-medicare-2012-12

http://www.businessinsider.com/fisc...ts-medicare-eligibility-obama-boehner-2012-12

Perhaps you can show me here which program Americans favor cuts to.

http://www.profutures.com/article.php/838/

ft130226-fig1.jpg

The problem is that people want to spend more, but they don't want to have to pay for it. They expect more for free. Propose that what is spent is accounted for in taxes then rerun the numbers.
 
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The problem is that people want to spend more, but they don't want to have to pay for it. They expect more for free. Propose that what is spent is accounted for in taxes then rerun the numbers.

It's interesting you bring up the last point. While getting those links I came across a story that showed what people thought each program made up of the federal budget as a percentage. The things that people thought took up 20% of the federal budget were insane.