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Medical price transparency, the reform that we still need

People are happy to pay for their care, as long as it is reasonable.

Today, the cost of health care is unreasonable.

-John
 
charrison said:
Yes but that does not appear to be a sustainable model..
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We'll eventually reach a breaking point, and that's when single-payer healthcare will become a reality in the United States (like every other modern nation already has).

Single-payer won't be cheap, but it will be incredibly cheap compared to our current system of $30,000 minor surgeries and mortgage-sized major surgeries.
 
woolfe9998 said:
I like the idea of price transparency for medical services.
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Works for me too, since it completely removes Medicare from the equation and probably anyone who gets an Obamacare subsidy. "Pay cash and you can come to our hospital and get these prices" sounds great.

Dr. Smith said federal Medicare regulation would not allow for their online price menu. They have avoided government regulation and control in that area by choosing not to accept Medicaid or Medicare payments.
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jpeyton said:
We'll eventually reach a breaking point, and that's when single-payer healthcare will become a reality in the United States (like every other modern nation already has).

Single-payer won't be cheap, but it will be incredibly cheap compared to our current system of $30,000 minor surgeries and mortgage-sized major surgeries.
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You understand that when "single payer" health care comes into effect, that it is a ticket for Government to spend and tax even more than they do today. Today, we are 17 Trillion Dollars in debt. People are laughing at our debt.

And you want to give the Government more power?

Communism, Socialism, have all been tried before, and it does look like Capitalism, ends, in Communism, and Socialism.

The Great Experiment, in Government, is a catastrophic failure.

-John
 
The answer is not to socialize spending. To increase taxes. To increase our debt.

The answer lies in reducing costs.

Lawyers, Insurance Companies, and Government, all need to be reeled in.

It is they, that inflate the cost of what is actually a simple thing... health care.

-John
 
glenn1 said:
Works for me too, since it completely removes Medicare from the equation and probably anyone who gets an Obamacare subsidy. "Pay cash and you can come to our hospital and get these prices" sounds great.
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You are aware that places can already do this if they so choose.

They cannot offer emergency medical, nor can they accept ANY federal/state money. As much as doctors/hospitals bitch about low medicare payments, they still love the money they get.
 
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Zebo said:
Medicare and ciad was 85 million in 1980 now it's 800 billion.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget_detail_fy14bs12013n#usgs302

going by that in another 30 years thats gonna be like 10 trillion in HC. Not gonna happen.
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Medicare is so f'ing expensive because end of life care.

It ludicrous how much we spend on people that are on deaths door. If two doctors independently agree that you are going to die and medical treatment will only extend you life for 6 months or less you should not be allowed to receive costly medical treatment. You should be made comfortable and allowed to die.
 
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What care do you think a person on deaths door needs?

They need consoling. They need comfort.

Now, you tell me how that can be expensive?

The only way it is expensive, is because of lawyers, insurance companies, and government.

-John
 
Wreckem said:
Medicare is so f'ing expensive because end of life care.

It ludicrous how much we spend on people that are on deaths door. If two doctors independently agree that you are going to die and medical treatment will only extend you life for 6 months or less you should not be allowed to receive costly medical treatment. You should be made comfortable and allowed to die.
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So you do support death panels. 🙂
 
Zorkorist said:
What care do you think a person on deaths door needs?

They need consoling. They need comfort.

Now, you tell me how that can be expensive?

The only way it is expensive, is because of lawyers, insurance companies, and government.

-John
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No its expensive because people on deaths door can and do get medical expensive medical treatment to prolong their lives for weeks or months. IE: They have x treatment that will likely put them in the hospital for the rest of their natural life, but it will extend said natural life for 3-6 months.
 
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Wreckem said:
Medicare is so f'ing expensive because end of life care.

It ludicrous how much we spend on people that are on deaths door. If two doctors independently agree that you are going to die and medical treatment will only extend you life for 6 months or less you should not be allowed to receive costly medical treatment. You should be made comfortable and allowed to die.
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It's not the patient that is the problem... it is bureaucrats like you that are the problem.

-John
 
Zorkorist said:
It's not the patient that is the problem... it is bureaucrats like you that are the problem.

-John
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Whatever. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. It is the patient/the patients family. Patients and their families are grieving loss before it happens and try anything and everything to have more time, even if its only a few weeks.

FYI there are people in the US that have been on life support for 5 years because their families won't pull the plug. Incredible waste of money. If a person is going to die just let them fucking die.
 
It sure as hell isn't the fault of the patients, families or Doctors.

It's Government, Insurance Companies, and Lawyers.

And here you want to give them, even more power.

Socialize medicine... you say. Socialize Government. Long live Communism.

Fuck Capitalism.

-John
 
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So do it... go pull the plug.

Why can't you?

Because of Government, Insurance Companies, and Lawyers.

-John
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No because a hospital cannot without next of kin's consent. Except in Texas but our statute is little used and they keep trying to repeal it. It allows a hospital to kick you out if two Dr's independently deem your case medically futile.

You can continue to blame govt, insurance, and lawyers. But Dr's, patients, and patient families are more to blame.
 
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Wreckem said:
No because a hospital cannot without next of kin's consent. Except in Texas but our statute is little used and they keep trying to repeal it. It allows a hospital to kick you out if two Dr's independently deem your case medically futile.

You can continue to blame govt, insurance, and lawyers. But Dr's, patients, and patient families are more to blame.
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You will make a great comrade, comrade.

-John
 
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