Medicade = Government sponsored slavery

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
What someone else makes across the world is apples to oranges.
But the average familys income compared to a billonaire in this country is miles apart.
Show me a non-corrupt buisnessperson. They do not exsist. This country is about screwing over whoever you can for your $.
and the more the better, law? heh yeah right the rich are above our laws. Poverty is violence and we all know who has the money. It's sure not the 97% of the workers.

Yes, everyone who makes more money than you or the average American is corrupt. :roll:

*give up* You are either too young and immature or too stubborn and close-minded to try to debate with. You have either been fed propaganda your whole life, or are just very petty and jealous. It's not the rich who lets money control their ideals and rule their lives, but people like you.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: alent1234

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I alway wondered when I was a kid why a coal miner makes sh1t and a stockbroker is looked up to becasue of his wealth.
Same deal when people defend the super-rich. They didn't earn crap, once you have a certain amount of money the money works for itself.
How does that give you a hard-work ethic? Better then the single parent family that works 3 jobs to afford the basics?
Western civilisation could really use a shake up of our ideas of earning our $.

See, that's the kind of attitude *I* don't understand. Is making money easier if you already have some money? Yes. Does it still take effort, desire, intelligence, risk, and hard work? Of course it does.

If being super-rich is so easy, why aren't you or I super-rich? Do you *choose* not to be rich because you equate money with evilness and greed or because of some other ethical choice? I doubt it. You probably just decided (subconciously, perhaps) that the work and potential risk required to become a millionaire/billionaire isn't worth it for you. That's fine, but why do you believe that those who decided it *was* worth it for them should be looked down upon and punished?

Becasue I do not need that much money nor am I interested in the ethics of hoarding that much. Someone HAS to lose to gather that much wealth and I for one am content.
Only people that are driven to hoard that much money are the wealth-addicted -A cancer on our society that damages more then crack or speed could dream of IMO.
these people can not even spend that much in their lifetimes while our fellow americans starve. IF I did have that much I wouldn't for long. money=power and power corrupts absolutely.
My feeling of self-worth is in who I am not how much I have.

So, in other words, you and other people have your own opinions about money, and they differ with mine and some others. What's the matter with just "agreeing to disagree?"



And what about this scenario.

I see a large piece of real-estate that is undeveloped, ugly, and going to waste. I buy the property from the owner, who is glad to be rid of it. I develop the property, put in a small pond, maybe a park, and a dozen middle-class houses. I then sell each lot to new families. Now I'm a millionaire.

Now, in this scenario:

1) The land owner was happy to get rid of his property
2) The space goes from an eye sore to a well-developed community
3) Local contractors get work for the development
4) A dozen or so families get thier first new home and love it.
5) I'm now rich and plan on repeating this process.

Who *has* to lose in this case?

That is not going to make you a multi-millionaire and it is pretty unlikely that the original owner would not have done it himself if possible. Where are you going to get the capitol to do this? Becoming a millionaire you are either very lucky by birth or won a lottery. (or something equally as lucky like your scenario here of "coming across" such a sweet deal.)
If you know where people are just giving away such opportunities let me know I will be a partner and eat crow for doubting you. Sounds to me like someone is just trying to sell you some sucky swampland.

too bad you are wrong

studies have proven that most millionares are self made and weren't born into wealth

Care to introduce us to this 'study'?

I swear if we keep heading this way all the Republicans will be worshipping some kind of giant Capitalistic phallic symbol in a couple of decades.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
What someone else makes across the world is apples to oranges.
But the average familys income compared to a billonaire in this country is miles apart.
Show me a non-corrupt buisnessperson. They do not exsist. This country is about screwing over whoever you can for your $.
and the more the better, law? heh yeah right the rich are above our laws. Poverty is violence and we all know who has the money. It's sure not the 97% of the workers.

Yes, everyone who makes more money than you or the average American is corrupt. :roll:

*give up* You are either too young and immature or too stubborn and close-minded to try to debate with. You have either been fed propaganda your whole life, or are just very petty and jealous. It's not the rich who lets money control their ideals and rule their lives, but people like you.

Yeah more buy my snake oil: if you don't want to be as corrupt and take the easy way out and buy into the "game" you must be too young. Please.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
well you sure convinced me there I am sure you wouldn't be pulling my leg or just fobbing off some biased propaganda

6 Types of Millionaires


Satisfied Savers

These are the folks you would love to have as your parents or grandparents -- happy, well-adjusted, and rich! They make up 24% of the wealthy population and share these characteristics.

1. Average age: 60
   Built wealth through hard work, by living below their means and taking moderate risks
   Financially savvy
   Lost relatively little in the bear market
   Know how to make their money work for them
   Enjoy making a difference through charitable efforts

Man, I hate MSN and The Phoenix Cos., with all their propaganda! :roll:



The Millionaire Next Door


Most people who become millionaires have confidence in their own abilities. They do not spend time worrying about whether or not their parents were wealthy. They do not believe that one must be born wealthy. Conversely, people of modest backgrounds who believe that only the wealthy produce millionaires are predetermined to remain non-affluent. Have you always thought that most millionaires are born with silver spoons in their mouths? If so, consider the following facts that our research uncovered about American millionaires:

* Only 19 percent receive any income or wealth of any kind from a trust fund or an estate.

* Fewer than 20 percent inherited 10 percent or more of their wealth.

* More than half never received as much as $1 in inheritance.

* Fewer than 25 percent ever received "an act of kindness" of $10,000 or more from their parents, grandparents, or other relatives.

* Ninety-one percent never received, as a gift, as much as $1 of the ownership of a family business.

* Nearly half never received any college tuition from their parents or other relatives.

* Fewer than 10 percent believe they will ever receive an inheritance in the future.


Doubly so for the Washington Post! :roll:

 

[Steeplerot]

This sounds like the same tired line they feed you. Yeah reality is a farce lets all be rich! That apple pie in the sky propaganda is tired.
Of course society tells you that they want you to keep buying into the game and stfu.
Change and individual decision is too chaotic and frightening and thus bad for their bottem line.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
I swear if we keep heading this way all the Republicans will be worshipping some kind of giant Capitalistic phallic symbol in a couple of decades.

Are you kidding? If we're LUCKY people will take cognizance of the fact that Capitalism is the only MORAL Social System that has ever come into existence. If we're LUCKY they'll see that the difference between Capitalism and Socialism or Communism is that those systems were man-made and subject to the flaws and misconceptions of their creators; Capitalism occurred *naturally* as a consequence of humankind being set free to pursue their own best interests.

Businessmen and Republicans are TERRIBLE excuses of Capitalists, ironically enough. Businessmen REGULARLY betray the roots of Capitalism (which is Economic and Social Liberty) when they manipulate tax laws, eminent domain, and lobby local, state and federal governments to give them benefits based on the idea of helping out "the public welfare".

Run for your life from anyone who claims they want only to serve the "public good." They're not being honest, they're preparing to sacrifice your freedom for their own benefit.

Jason

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Yes, everyone who makes more money than you or the average American is corrupt. :roll:

*give up* You are either too young and immature or too stubborn and close-minded to try to debate with. You have either been fed propaganda your whole life, or are just very petty and jealous. It's not the rich who lets money control their ideals and rule their lives, but people like you.

Yeah more buy my snake oil: if you don't want to be as corrupt and take the easy way out and buy into the "game" you must be too young. Please.

Well, the only other option to "you're too young" is "you're too ignorant," but I was afraid you'd take that as an attack. Better to herd you into the "young and naive" route, than the "older, but bitter, biased and uninformed" one, I thought. My mistake.

Between this thread's "no such thing as a non-corrupt businesman" and the other thread's "all cops are power-tripping bullies," you've really shown that 'the man' has it out for you, huh? You've tried to talk about personal responsibility when you declare yourself and others to be victims of some grand conspiracy to keep you down.

I suggest you look into one of these for your own safety.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
What someone else makes across the world is apples to oranges.
But the average familys income compared to a billonaire in this country is miles apart.
Show me a non-corrupt businessperson . They do not exsist. This country is about screwing over whoever you can for your $.
and the more the better, law? heh yeah right the rich are above our laws. Poverty is violence and we all know who has the money.
It's sure not you or me or any of the 97% of the workers who earned theirs.

They do exist, I've worked for them (and I currently work for one). However, it's also true that there are a lot of unscrupulous bastards in the business world, and I've had the misfortune of working for those as well.

Jason

 

[Steeplerot]

Not saying your friend is a total scumbag or something but you do not know what he gets away with behind closed doors.
Just becasue something is legal too does not mean it is ethical IMO.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Not saying your friend is a total scumbag or something but you do not know what he gets away with behind closed doors.
Just becasue something is legal too does not mean it is ethical IMO.

well, that's true! Some unethical things are illegal and vice versa. Not everything unethical/immoral should necessarily be illegal, though. Take, as an example, doing drugs that fry your mind and body. HORRIBLY immoral act. Should it be illegal though? I don't think so. So long as your actions don't cause direct harm to unconsenting third parties, feel free to drug out, pass out and croak.

Jason

 

[Steeplerot]

*shrugs* I don't see how doing drugs in itself is immoral, but then serious hard drug use almost always makes victims out of the ones surrounding the individual. Is that your angle?
(I have to go catch a train and fix someones PC so I am out for a bit.)

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
i have a better idea. why don't we, as one of the richest countries in the world, offer free medical care to EVERYONE! all doctors of the same degree receive the same pay. that way, we can stop all the lawsuits over malpractice (i forget the number, but deaths due to malpractice, illness contracted at hospitals is outstanding) and insure that every hospital throughout the nation has credible doctors. we need a communist medical regime. otherwise, all the good doctors are gonna be doing boob jobs and face lifts.... why? cuz that's where the money is. god forbid everyone gets good medical care.

How about we, as one of the few countries in the world that respects INDIVIDUAL rights, stop trying to justify why it's OK to STEAL from some people and give to others? I'm sick to death of this Robin Hood bvllshit and everyone who believes that it's alright to STEAL from someone on the grounds that "hey, they can afford it!".

Jason

you assume we're all starting from square one. someone actually getting into a highly specialized field from the more poverty stricken (medicaid reliant) neighborhoods is by far the exception rather than the rule.

fact: middle class jobs in the u.s. are dwindling.
fact: while jobs are being created, they are mostly minimum wage, or temp jobs.
fact: SOMEONE has to do these jobs!

we expect that someone will do these jobs, it's evident. you can't pay all of your bills off of minimum wage. they deserve equal health care (it isn't equal by any stretch of the imagination, but it's better than what you're proposing). you're just gonna have to mumble under your breath when you see uncle sam taking his chunk. be a good american and take your medicine

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
i have a better idea. why don't we, as one of the richest countries in the world, offer free medical care to EVERYONE! all doctors of the same degree receive the same pay. that way, we can stop all the lawsuits over malpractice (i forget the number, but deaths due to malpractice, illness contracted at hospitals is outstanding) and insure that every hospital throughout the nation has credible doctors. we need a communist medical regime. otherwise, all the good doctors are gonna be doing boob jobs and face lifts.... why? cuz that's where the money is. god forbid everyone gets good medical care.

How about we, as one of the few countries in the world that respects INDIVIDUAL rights, stop trying to justify why it's OK to STEAL from some people and give to others? I'm sick to death of this Robin Hood bvllshit and everyone who believes that it's alright to STEAL from someone on the grounds that "hey, they can afford it!".

Jason

you assume we're all starting from square one. someone actually getting into a highly specialized field from the more poverty stricken (medicaid reliant) neighborhoods is by far the exception rather than the rule.

fact: middle class jobs in the u.s. are dwindling.
fact: while jobs are being created, they are mostly minimum wage, or temp jobs.
fact: SOMEONE has to do these jobs!

we expect that someone will do these jobs, it's evident. you can't pay all of your bills off of minimum wage. they deserve equal health care (it isn't equal by any stretch of the imagination, but it's better than what you're proposing). you're just gonna have to mumble under your breath when you see uncle sam taking his chunk. be a good american and take your medicine

Ok, we'll just accept all that as FACT.. :roll: Currently, in my entire circle of friends, family, and aquantances.. I do not know ANYONE who has a temp job, and I do not know ANYONE who is making minimum wage. Now, I have friends that live in the ghetto.. and I have friends that are very wealthy... So I think I have a good representation of both rich and poor in my circle of friends. I even have friends who work at fast food restaurants, grocery stores, etc.. They all make above minimum wage, and usually $3-4 dollars above minimum wage. Give me any 18 year old who knows how to use a computer and I will get them a job starting in the mid to high 20's extremely easily.. a little experience and they are making 35-40.. Thats not POOR, and thats not MINIMUM WAGE.

So, I completely challenge your suggestion that most jobs are temp and minimum wage, its simply NOT TRUE, and you DO NOT have the 'facts' to back it up. Here's what I think is happening.. First of all, I think the middle class is shrinking.. but, I don't think they are moving in the direction of 'poor', I think they are moving in the direction of rich. Almost everyone I have known in my 30 years of life is better now than they were when I was young.. They make more money, have a nicer house, drive nicer cars.. etc.. So, yes, the middle class may be shrinking, but I think its because they are getting wealthier in general.

I also think our definition of 'poor' is so jaded as to almost be laughable. In highschool (over 10 years ago now), we delivered thanksgiving dinners to 'poor' families who supposidly could not afford to purchase them for themselves. Well, just about every one of these families had a Nintendo, a huge TV, stereo, and all the kids were wearing designer shoes. Thats not POOR, thats people who have decided its more important to buy a nice TV and stereo than to feed their family. Poor to me means you are BARELY getting by.. ie, you don't have all the TV's stereos Nintendo's, etc.. And you can STILL barely afford food.. You are not wasting it on alcohol or drugs.. You are not wasting it on a car you can't afford, you aren't wasting it on name brand clothes.. I'm talking about you do all your shopping at Walmart, and you can barely afford it.. You get all your food at the cheapest place, and you buy only whats the best deal... you go to work every day (BOTH parents), and you STILL can barely afford it.. THATS poor..

I seriously doubt most people in this country are really 'poor' or just getting along.. I think the problem is our definition of poor is changing. Poor doesn't mean you can only buy 1 new Playstation game a month as opposed to 3-4...

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Snatchface
How would you like it if the government told you that you had to do your job 3 days a week without pay? Or with 1/4 salary. This is what medicade is becoming/has become for health care providers. The government forces you to take care of Medicade patients (at risk of losing your license to practice) and compensation continues to drop. Essentially the government is forcing the health care industry to work for free. In some areas Medicade patients make up 1/3 of all patients. There are no other professions in our society where people are forced to work for nothing - that's called slavery. Medicade and Medicare will eventually destroy our health care system. And people wonder why no intelligent people want to go into medicine these days.

your rant would be nice except for one fact: no hospital has to accept medicare.

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
i have a better idea. why don't we, as one of the richest countries in the world, offer free medical care to EVERYONE! all doctors of the same degree receive the same pay. that way, we can stop all the lawsuits over malpractice (i forget the number, but deaths due to malpractice, illness contracted at hospitals is outstanding) and insure that every hospital throughout the nation has credible doctors. we need a communist medical regime. otherwise, all the good doctors are gonna be doing boob jobs and face lifts.... why? cuz that's where the money is. god forbid everyone gets good medical care.

How about we, as one of the few countries in the world that respects INDIVIDUAL rights, stop trying to justify why it's OK to STEAL from some people and give to others? I'm sick to death of this Robin Hood bvllshit and everyone who believes that it's alright to STEAL from someone on the grounds that "hey, they can afford it!".

Jason

you assume we're all starting from square one. someone actually getting into a highly specialized field from the more poverty stricken (medicaid reliant) neighborhoods is by far the exception rather than the rule.

fact: middle class jobs in the u.s. are dwindling.
fact: while jobs are being created, they are mostly minimum wage, or temp jobs.
fact: SOMEONE has to do these jobs!

we expect that someone will do these jobs, it's evident. you can't pay all of your bills off of minimum wage. they deserve equal health care (it isn't equal by any stretch of the imagination, but it's better than what you're proposing). you're just gonna have to mumble under your breath when you see uncle sam taking his chunk. be a good american and take your medicine

Ok, we'll just accept all that as FACT.. :roll: Currently, in my entire circle of friends, family, and aquantances.. I do not know ANYONE who has a temp job, and I do not know ANYONE who is making minimum wage. Now, I have friends that live in the ghetto.. and I have friends that are very wealthy... So I think I have a good representation of both rich and poor in my circle of friends. I even have friends who work at fast food restaurants, grocery stores, etc.. They all make above minimum wage, and usually $3-4 dollars above minimum wage. Give me any 18 year old who knows how to use a computer and I will get them a job starting in the mid to high 20's extremely easily.. a little experience and they are making 35-40.. Thats not POOR, and thats not MINIMUM WAGE.

So, I completely challenge your suggestion that most jobs are temp and minimum wage, its simply NOT TRUE, and you DO NOT have the 'facts' to back it up. Here's what I think is happening.. First of all, I think the middle class is shrinking.. but, I don't think they are moving in the direction of 'poor', I think they are moving in the direction of rich. Almost everyone I have known in my 30 years of life is better now than they were when I was young.. They make more money, have a nicer house, drive nicer cars.. etc.. So, yes, the middle class may be shrinking, but I think its because they are getting wealthier in general.

I also think our definition of 'poor' is so jaded as to almost be laughable. In highschool (over 10 years ago now), we delivered thanksgiving dinners to 'poor' families who supposidly could not afford to purchase them for themselves. Well, just about every one of these families had a Nintendo, a huge TV, stereo, and all the kids were wearing designer shoes. Thats not POOR, thats people who have decided its more important to buy a nice TV and stereo than to feed their family. Poor to me means you are BARELY getting by.. ie, you don't have all the TV's stereos Nintendo's, etc.. And you can STILL barely afford food.. You are not wasting it on alcohol or drugs.. You are not wasting it on a car you can't afford, you aren't wasting it on name brand clothes.. I'm talking about you do all your shopping at Walmart, and you can barely afford it.. You get all your food at the cheapest place, and you buy only whats the best deal... you go to work every day (BOTH parents), and you STILL can barely afford it.. THATS poor..

I seriously doubt most people in this country are really 'poor' or just getting along.. I think the problem is our definition of poor is changing. Poor doesn't mean you can only buy 1 new Playstation game a month as opposed to 3-4...

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Although U.S. firms have added more than 1.4 million jobs in the last nine months, economists and politicians have questioned if workers are finding good, higher-paying jobs or if firms are creating lower-paying work that the jobless are desperately taking
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.....for starters

 

[The Sauce]

Originally posted by: MisterCornell

Originally posted by: Snatchface
How would you like it if the government told you that you had to do your job 3 days a week without pay? Or with 1/4 salary. This is what medicade is becoming/has become for health care providers. The government forces you to take care of Medicade patients (at risk of losing your license to practice) and compensation continues to drop. Essentially the government is forcing the health care industry to work for free. In some areas Medicade patients make up 1/3 of all patients. There are no other professions in our society where people are forced to work for nothing - that's called slavery. Medicade and Medicare will eventually destroy our health care system. And people wonder why no intelligent people want to go into medicine these days.

Your post is hysterical. Like I said, I don't think anyone has to take Medicare/Medicaid, unless they got themselves into a crappy working arrangement/contract in the first place. There is no "slavery". And there are plenty of smart people going into medicine. It's still one of the most competitive fields to get into, and it pays fairly well too.

Aah...so young and so naieve. Any hospital you work for is required by law to take Medicade if they are to also take Medicare. Both pay little more than it actually costs to provide the care and Medicade pays less than it costs by a far margin. You will be affected by this wherever you choose to go in medicine...and its getting worse by the year. And ED's are not allowed to turn any patient away regardless of ability to pay - as are the subspecialists who are then consulted to see and admit them. Will your words still be so bold, young "surgeon," when you are called to clean out an abscess on a drug addict at 3 am out of your warm bed and not be compensated a dime for it? I think not. Medical school is a lovely place to have ideals. See how they serve you when you are out.

 

[The Sauce]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
But Medicare and Medicaid are NOT responsible for the inflation in healthcare costs (although they do contribute to the problem). Our healthcare system is expensive b/c our society has invested relatively little in health promotion and inordinate amounts in expensive interventions. Our society is awash in bad health behaviors (smoking, alcohol, sedentary lifestyles) that are encouraged and up to a few years ago . . . even subsidized by the government. When people do get sick, they navigate a patchwork system of providers, facilities, and payers that is the epitome of inefficiency. If they need medications they are preyed upon by a morally bankrupt pharmaceutical industry that spends MORE on advertisements than they do on research and development.

I agree with most fo that except for the first sentence. Medicare and Medicade raise the cost for everyone else - it's called cost shifting. People with jobs and insurance pay more so that junkies can get health care for free.

 

[The Sauce]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Snatchface
How would you like it if the government told you that you had to do your job 3 days a week without pay? Or with 1/4 salary. This is what medicade is becoming/has become for health care providers. The government forces you to take care of Medicade patients (at risk of losing your license to practice) and compensation continues to drop. Essentially the government is forcing the health care industry to work for free. In some areas Medicade patients make up 1/3 of all patients. There are no other professions in our society where people are forced to work for nothing - that's called slavery. Medicade and Medicare will eventually destroy our health care system. And people wonder why no intelligent people want to go into medicine these days.

your rant would be nice except for one fact: no hospital has to accept medicare.

True. And no hospital would survive without Medicare. Not much of a choice, now is there?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: MisterCornell
I'm in medical school right now. Few people go into surgery in general (maybe 10-15% at most med schools). Very few of them become plastic surgeons. Plastic surgery is lucrative not because so many people go into it, but because the supply of plastic surgeons is tightly controlled by the residency and licensing boards. Half of all doctors go into Primary Care residencies such as Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, OB/GYN or they go into Family Practice.

I personally think that surgery in general is a sh|tty job. Most surgeons wake up at 4 am, go to the office around 5 and stay on the job until 7 pm. That's typical. Plus, they have a super long training period which they have to work even harder in, and get paid little for. A lot of people who go into surgery are actually former jocks who can handle the heavy workload. They may or may not be the smartest people. Actually in doctors circles there are lots of jokes about surgeons being dumb. I'm not saying that surgeons are dumb, but I point that out to counter the suggestions being made on this thread.

I will probably go into Internal Medicine, and then I might do a fellowship in Cardiology. All this talk about the best doctors being plastic surgeons is garbage.

As for Medicare/Medicaid, it's at the bottom of the scale as far as compensation goes. Any doctor whose practice really takes off stops taking Medicare/Medicaid patients. Only 70% of doctors in the U.S. will accept those as payment. And who is to blame them? With Medicare/Medicaid you get half or 75% of the pay compared to private insurance or cash payments for the same amount of work. Why take it? That's life in America.

Somebody has been watching to much scrubs.

Gotta love it. Someone who actually is in the industry responds with some real knowledge and this is the response?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Currently, in my entire circle of friends, family, and aquantances.. I do not know ANYONE who has a temp job

Well there you have it then. I guess there is no need to discuss this further. :roll:

 

[MisterCornell]

Originally posted by: Snatchface

Originally posted by: MisterCornell

Originally posted by: Snatchface
How would you like it if the government told you that you had to do your job 3 days a week without pay? Or with 1/4 salary. This is what medicade is becoming/has become for health care providers. The government forces you to take care of Medicade patients (at risk of losing your license to practice) and compensation continues to drop. Essentially the government is forcing the health care industry to work for free. In some areas Medicade patients make up 1/3 of all patients. There are no other professions in our society where people are forced to work for nothing - that's called slavery. Medicade and Medicare will eventually destroy our health care system. And people wonder why no intelligent people want to go into medicine these days.

Your post is hysterical. Like I said, I don't think anyone has to take Medicare/Medicaid, unless they got themselves into a crappy working arrangement/contract in the first place. There is no "slavery". And there are plenty of smart people going into medicine. It's still one of the most competitive fields to get into, and it pays fairly well too.

Aah...so young and so naieve. Any hospital you work for is required by law to take Medicade if they are to also take Medicare. Both pay little more than it actually costs to provide the care and Medicade pays less than it costs by a far margin. You will be affected by this wherever you choose to go in medicine...and its getting worse by the year. And ED's are not allowed to turn any patient away regardless of ability to pay - as are the subspecialists who are then consulted to see and admit them. Will your words still be so bold, young "surgeon," when you are called to clean out an abscess on a drug addict at 3 am out of your warm bed and not be compensated a dime for it? I think not. Medical school is a lovely place to have ideals. See how they serve you when you are out.

Don't work at a hospital then. Go into private practice. Don't go into a branch that forces you to accept medicare/medicaid.

Like I said, 30% of doctors (probably higher now, that figure has been climbing each year) don't take any Medicare/Medicaid patients.

Don't get me wrong, I am more in agreement with you than disagreement. I think the situation is untenable, and the compensation per service has to go up. But your post is hysterical.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Snatchface

your rant would be nice except for one fact: no hospital has to accept medicare.

True. And no hospital would survive without Medicare. Not much of a choice, now is there?

well if medicare is the only thing allowing the hospital to turn a profit i think your angst is directed at the wrong place.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Snatchface

your rant would be nice except for one fact: no hospital has to accept medicare.

True. And no hospital would survive without Medicare. Not much of a choice, now is there?

well if medicare is the only thing allowing the hospital to turn a profit i think your angst is directed at the wrong place.

Direct Medical Education (DME) and Indirect Medical Education (IME) are a minor part of Medicare but a significant source of revenue at teaching hospitals. On the otherhand, our hospital system would crumble without that great big government teet called Medicare. Personally, I'm starting to believe the only way elected "leadership" will ever do anything useful to fix our healthcare system is if they are forced to act after the system collapses.

Hospitals REQUIRE sick people. Sick people are disproportionately old. Old sick people are on Medicare (often Medicaid as well). If you want to control costs you must do something about the sick people. Medical professionals are doing our part . . . we kill off 100k-200k a year through medical errors. But we need your help. Write your legislators and INSIST they pass gun rights laws and subsidize access to high capacity magazines and automatic weapons. A bump up in suicide and homicide rates would definitely curtail hospital expenses. My personal record is taking care of a kid with 5 bullet wounds . . . these small caliber, low capacity handguns are definitely insufficient if we are going to get healthcare costs under control.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Snatchface

your rant would be nice except for one fact: no hospital has to accept medicare.

True. And no hospital would survive without Medicare. Not much of a choice, now is there?

well if medicare is the only thing allowing the hospital to turn a profit i think your angst is directed at the wrong place.

Direct Medical Education (DME) and Indirect Medical Education (IME) are a minor part of Medicare but a significant source of revenue at teaching hospitals. On the otherhand, our hospital system would crumble without that great big government teet called Medicare. Personally, I'm starting to believe the only way elected "leadership" will ever do anything useful to fix our healthcare system is if they are forced to act after the system collapses.

Hospitals REQUIRE sick people. Sick people are disproportionately old. Old sick people are on Medicare (often Medicaid as well). If you want to control costs you must do something about the sick people. Medical professionals are doing our part . . . we kill off 100k-200k a year through medical errors. But we need your help. Write your legislators and INSIST they pass gun rights laws and subsidize access to high capacity magazines and automatic weapons. A bump up in suicide and homicide rates would definitely curtail hospital expenses. My personal record is taking care of a kid with 5 bullet wounds . . . these small caliber, low capacity handguns are definitely insufficient if we are going to get healthcare costs under control.

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[judasmachine]

as always the secret to getting rich isn't working hard, silly, it's getting others to work hard for you............... duh.