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Rakehellion

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Posting in a straw man thread.


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Greenman

Lifer
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The FoxTard says mooo...... Another pint sized stalker defending another BF. Your target demographic appreciates your pillow talk. :rolleyes: Enjoy your seat next to TexasHiker.

I'm sorry my comment so offended you, but your posts are barely comprehensible. Other than the fact that you don't like conservatives or gays, I'm not sure what you're trying to convey.
Another tip for you though, homophobic insults aren't well received around here, and they appear to comprise the bulk of your comments.
I'd also like to point out that what you seem to think of as "stalking" is the entire point of this forum. Someone posts a thought or comment, the rest of us read it and respond. So when someone responds to your posts, thats not stalking, it's "responding". In other words, everyone gets a chance to say what they think, not just you. Do you understand that? And if you choose to answer, could we please forgo the homophobic comments, they aren't necessary to adult conversation.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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Desperate false equivalency that only the right wing would even attempt.

It's not like the assailants were operating under the authority of the State.

If you can't see the difference, your denial is complete.

I love your stupidity. Its so complete and self-assured.
I think thats why nothing ever gets fixed.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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The contention in the Michael Brown and Treyvon Martin cases was that there was a perception of bias that indicated that the law isn't applied as forcefully (or at all) for people who murder black people. This was exacerbated by things like the month-long delay in arresting George Zimmerman and the selection of prosecutors for Brown.

How does this compare? Is there a perception that black people typically get away with crimes? No. Is there a perception that black people suffer less severe consequences from law enforcement and the judicial system after committing a crime? No, the facts point in the other direction.

Two men have been arrested and the police are working on the rest. There's not much to add here.


Good post! You must be new to P&N:p
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
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Is that your way of saying you missed his point? Because it sounds like you did.

He didnt have much of a point. His viewpoint is anyone who doesnt support the ultra lib agenda is too dumb to understand anything and thus cannot have it explained to them.

Its a fallous argument and full of holes. Its so bad I choose not to directly address it most of the time.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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Also, by his logic, there is no racism against blacks.
No two situations are ever exactly the same. So the supposed False Equivalency argument is always applicable.

But angry liberals cant handle that, so they shout out FALSE EQUIVALENCY anytime something pokes holes in their whiny arguments.

If you keep shouting and misusing logical fallacies you just make the conversation unpleasant. And thats the only way you can win when you are just fuckin wrong.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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The contention in the Michael Brown and Treyvon Martin cases was that there was a perception of bias that indicated that the law isn't applied as forcefully (or at all) for people who murder black people. This was exacerbated by things like the month-long delay in arresting George Zimmerman and the selection of prosecutors for Brown.

How does this compare? Is there a perception that black people typically get away with crimes? No. Is there a perception that black people suffer less severe consequences from law enforcement and the judicial system after committing a crime? No, the facts point in the other direction.

Two men have been arrested and the police are working on the rest. There's not much to add here.


The grand jury was selected a month before the incident even happened...
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Also, by his logic, there is no racism against blacks.
No two situations are ever exactly the same. So the supposed False Equivalency argument is always applicable.

But angry liberals cant handle that, so they shout out FALSE EQUIVALENCY anytime something pokes holes in their whiny arguments.

If you keep shouting and misusing logical fallacies you just make the conversation unpleasant. And thats the only way you can win when you are just fuckin wrong.

So...yes...you did miss his point.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Where are all the signs and chanting and screaming of "White lives matter"? or "Hands up, don't hammer"?

Uh uh.


Forgive me for not reading the story yet but are these kids legally empowered guardians of the law paid for by the taxpayers to protect and serve the community? And presumably there is a public perception that they have been abusing this power to get away with the heinous act they perpetrated?

Because otherwise... well it just makes you look a little desperate to link those things.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Is that your way of saying you missed his point? Because it sounds like you did.

Of course he did. He already believes in false equivalency. He's just trying to rationalize it because he needs it to maintain his world view. Subsequent posts merely illustrate the stubborn desperation in his quest.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Forgive me for not reading the story yet but are these kids legally empowered guardians of the law paid for by the taxpayers to protect and serve the community? And presumably there is a public perception that they have been abusing this power to get away with the heinous act they perpetrated?

Because otherwise... well it just makes you look a little desperate to link those things.

Well said.
 

Newell Steamer

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The outrage comes from the expectation that the police act in a manner that is not abusive towards it's citizens. The courts have ruled that is not the case - the people feel otherwise.

In this situation - it's a group of demented teenagers that attacked and killed a man,.. and, 2 of the murderers were caught.

So, there are quite a few things that are different here:
1) the death didn't come from police officers
2) 2 of the people who caused the death were caught
3) justice is on it's way to being served - edit: where as with Ferguson, people feel justice wasn't met.

Both deaths are unfortunate, but quite different from each other.
 
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Svnla

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Forgive me for not reading the story yet but are these kids legally empowered guardians of the law paid for by the taxpayers to protect and serve the community? And presumably there is a public perception that they have been abusing this power to get away with the heinous act they perpetrated?

Because otherwise... well it just makes you look a little desperate to link those things.

See the bolded/underlined? S.T.O.P right there, ok? No further discussion with you is needed. But I do give you credit for being honest upfront about it.
 

thraashman

Lifer
Apr 10, 2000
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Jesus fucking retarded christ. What is it with conservatives deciding that white people not being charged when they murder black people is equivalent to minorities killing white people and having the full force of the law come down on them?

How the fuck do conservatives manage to get so fucking stupid? Did y'all have to take a class?
 

bshole

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Mar 12, 2013
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Where are all the signs and chanting and screaming of "White lives matter"? or "Hands up, don't hammer"?

Uh uh.

What are you talking about? They already arrested the perp and are charging him with murder.

The black community is not upset about the violence per se, they are upset by the lack of consequence to the perp(s). There are tons of cases involving white cops killing black victims with NO consequence to the cop. It is the lack of consequence that is enraging the black community. How the hell can you not know this?


EDIT - Damn, you beat me to it!!!!!!

Jesus fucking retarded christ. What is it with conservatives deciding that white people not being charged when they murder black people is equivalent to minorities killing white people and having the full force of the law come down on them?

How the fuck do conservatives manage to get so fucking stupid? Did y'all have to take a class?
 

Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
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What are you talking about? They already arrested the perp and are charging him with murder.

The black community is not upset about the violence per se, they are upset by the lack of consequence to the perp(s). There are tons of cases involving white cops killing black victims with NO consequence to the cop. It is the lack of consequence that is enraging the black community. How the hell can you not know this?


EDIT - Damn, you beat me to it!!!!!!

Why are you still here? Aren't you supposed to be in Ferguson and offer yourself to appease the angry crowd? Don't be such a pathetic hypocrite. :rolleyes:
 
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mizzou

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What are you talking about? They already arrested the perp and are charging him with murder.


I think people are mainly upset over the lack of dialogue and attention these deaths receive. People are out protesting against alleged violent/racist acts when real racist/violent acts are occurring before their very eyes.

The Bosnian community want's social justice and justification, just like everyone else out there.

To have someone hug you and say that this is some crazy shit and that we need to END it, would be very meaningful.
 

mizzou

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There are tons of cases involving white cops killing black victims with NO consequence to the cop.

If the evidence can support murder in court, they would be convicted of a crime. Show me a case where the evidence supported murder and there was NO consequence to the cop
 

bshole

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I think people are mainly upset over the lack of dialogue and attention these deaths receive. People are out protesting against alleged violent/racist acts when real racist/violent acts are occurring before their very eyes.

The Bosnian community want's social justice and justification, just like everyone else out there.

To have someone hug you and say that this is some crazy shit and that we need to END it, would be very meaningful.

How would the Bosnian community react if police officials came out and said the killing was legit and that the perps would not be prosecuted.?
 

smackababy

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Oct 30, 2008
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How would the Bosnian community react if police officials came out and said the killing was legit and that the perps would not be prosecuted.?

If the facts pointed to self defense, they would likely move on with their lives like reasonable people. Had this poor fellow attempted to run down a group of black kids with hammers, gotten out of his car with a knife and tried to stab them, hitting him in the head with said hammer might have been an appropriate response. However, and I'm just guessing here, this group of kids were upset over a false narrative that their problems are from white people and decided to lash out at one.

This is one of the more sickening events to happen lately, and it is entirely race motivated.
 

rudder

Lifer
Nov 9, 2000
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The contention in the Michael Brown and Treyvon Martin cases was that there was a perception of bias that indicated that the law isn't applied as forcefully (or at all) for people who murder black people. This was exacerbated by things like the month-long delay in arresting George Zimmerman and the selection of prosecutors for Brown.

How does this compare? Is there a perception that black people typically get away with crimes? No. Is there a perception that black people suffer less severe consequences from law enforcement and the judicial system after committing a crime? No, the facts point in the other direction.

Two men have been arrested and the police are working on the rest. There's not much to add here.

Plenty to add... such as the 24/7 media whoring along with race baiters such as Al Sharpton and Eric Holder showing up in Ferguson. Especially when the Michael Brown case had very little to do with race.

A white police officer kills a thug who tried to steal his gun.... burn down the town. A European immigrant gets killed by minority youths while shouts of kill whitey can be heard.... no big deal.