Me Bonehead! My firearm stolen today.

[CptObvious]

Originally posted by: pontifex

captobvious needs a new name and glasses.

What are you talking about?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: loic2003
It's as though allowing morons to buy lethal weapons so they feel like bad-boys was a sh!t idea!

You are so right. We might as well pull every vehicle off the road that can do more than 5mph while we are at it.

When your government demands the keys to your shiny new bike please feel free to come back and post about how much safer you feel.

Cars and bikes are vehicles used for transport and aren't devices soley designed to kill people. Cars are rarely used as a weapon, whereas a gun (which, by the way, IS a weapon) is on a daily basis. It's a very subtle difference, I know, but an important one nonetheless.

A gun is not a tool. Have a little think about it.

Not when in the hands of the elderly who mow down the occasional farmer's market. Even without intent, cars/motorcycles are far more deadly to a population in a first world country than guns if you look at the statistics.

Gun crime is almost always the result of larger social issues. In the case of the US a large percentage of it is directly attributable to our ruinous drug policy. All gun bans really do is shift the bulk of the crime to other categories, it never actually disappears. That's what happens when you treat a symptom instead of the cause.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: randalee
Different strokes, right? I'd prefer if EVERYONE carried a firarm on their hip openly. I'd feel more secure THAT way.

If I wanted to rob a store, and I _KNEW_ that nobody there had a firearm, because it was restricted, I would choose the SAFEST store for me to rob. (One where people likely didn't have guns.)

Do you think I'd try and rob a gun shop or coin shop, where everyone had a firearm on their hip?

Bad people don't obey laws, rules, restrictions. So why should I be restricted from where I can properly defend myself?

You may be right that a clever thief would choose to rob the store where the unarmed people were; on the other hand, if I was robbed in that store I would be more likely to be alive when the incident was over, than if there was a shoot-out in the store.

And I also would be less likely to get shot for taking the last bottle of Kikkoman's soy sauce off the shelf.

because people get shot all the time for taking the last bottle of soy sauce :roll:
this thread is fvcking ridiculous and full of anti-gun tools.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: randalee

Originally posted by: pulse8
That's not really a fair comparison, but I see what you're getting at.

To me, a firearm is a tool. Just like a shovel, just like a hammer, or a screwdriver, or whatever. A person with poor judgment could certainly mis-use a tool for the wrong reason. We see it on the news every night.

You're right, I'm a "people kill people" person.

Those tools are designed to build things. Improve a situation, perhaps. Firearms are designed to kill. Kill an animal, kill a person. The only reason firearms are made, is to kill. Quite simple, really. And don't spout any BS about "shooting to wound." Just as swords, maces were designed and implemented for efficient killing, so to were guns.

I don't argue (in general) against people's rights to own a gun, I just wish those that argued for guns would qualify their statements better. A shovel or screwdriver can not be used as comparison to a gun in a sensible argument.

 

[randalee]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
Those tools are designed to build things. Improve a situation, perhaps. Firearms are designed to kill. Kill an animal, kill a person. The only reason firearms are made, is to kill. Quite simple, really. And don't spout any BS about "shooting to wound." Just as swords, maces were designed and implemented for efficient killing, so to were guns.

A person with a gun can definitely kill another person. So could a person with a chainsaw. The primary purpose of my firearm is to effectively STOP another person that may kill or otherwise cause serious bodily harm to myself or others.

A bullet is simply one of the most effective ways to stop an attacker. True, a person could die from their wounds. But my intent is never to kill a person.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: randalee

Originally posted by: pulse8
That's not really a fair comparison, but I see what you're getting at.

To me, a firearm is a tool. Just like a shovel, just like a hammer, or a screwdriver, or whatever. A person with poor judgment could certainly mis-use a tool for the wrong reason. We see it on the news every night.

You're right, I'm a "people kill people" person.

Those tools are designed to build things. Improve a situation, perhaps. Firearms are designed to kill. Kill an animal, kill a person. The only reason firearms are made, is to kill. Quite simple, really. And don't spout any BS about "shooting to wound." Just as swords, maces were designed and implemented for efficient killing, so to were guns.

I don't argue (in general) against people's rights to own a gun, I just wish those that argued for guns would qualify their statements better. A shovel or screwdriver can not be used as comparison to a gun in a sensible argument.

I don't see why not. All they are is an amalgamation of steel and wood like most other tools. I don't use a hammer to tighten a screw, use the right tool for the right job. Nor just because there is a hammer on my desk do I have the urge to use it just because it's there (an argument often heard from the anti-gun people).

 

[fuxxociety]

Wow, sorry for your loss..

I'm a big fan of Taurus' handguns, especially the 9mm 🙂

And I don't have time to get into the semantics of why responsibly carrying a firearm is necessary.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: randalee

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
God I love gun threads.

What part about it do you like most?

The part where the "2nd amendment > everything in the universe" crowd and the "people don't kill people, guns do" crowd meet.

Hey, how about the right to defend yourself. That's a universal right.

Ya know you and the OP are only further alienating yourself from sanity. As you probably didn't notice in your haste to defend your position, I slammed on BOTH sides of the issue.

So, good job.

not really. looks to me like you slammed the two major arguments of one side of the issue. you didn't slam, in any way, the anti-gun crowd.

 

[randalee]

Quick find study on mortality rate

I had heard there is likely around a 75-80 per cent chance of survival from being shot in center mass with a hand gun. I was trying to find evidence to back up what I had heard. My plan is to never kill anyone. I would only use my firearm in the gravest, extreme circumstance where my or someone elses' life might be threatened. And my right to defend myself would END as soon as the threat is STOPPED. One more bullet after that person is stopped, would be manslaughter.

(edit) the link doesn't prove my 75-80 per cent rate, but more around 2/3 (60-some-odd per cent) survival rate.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: randalee

Originally posted by: zinfamous
Those tools are designed to build things. Improve a situation, perhaps. Firearms are designed to kill. Kill an animal, kill a person. The only reason firearms are made, is to kill. Quite simple, really. And don't spout any BS about "shooting to wound." Just as swords, maces were designed and implemented for efficient killing, so to were guns.

A person with a gun can definitely kill another person. So could a person with a chainsaw. The primary purpose of my firearm is to effectively STOP another person that may kill or otherwise cause serious bodily harm to myself or others.

A bullet is simply one of the most effective ways to stop an attacker. True, a person could die from their wounds. But my intent is never to kill a person.

See, that's a line of thinking that will get you killed. If you pull a gun you damned well better be intent on using it and you damned well better aim to kill. Wounding a person is NOT what you should be trying to do in a life or death situation.

Oh, and chainsaws are also quite good at cutting down trees...they don't make good weapons though outside of video games anyway. Please stop comparing yard tools to guns...they aren't the same.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: OVerLoRDI
Sucks that your gun got taken. I hope it doesn't get used to hurt anyone.

To all those who are wetting themselves, carrying a gun for self defense or just "In case" is a totally legitamate reason. I know when I'm 18 I'll probably invest in a pistol, you never know when you will need one and I'd rather not have to be at someones mercy when they are attempting to rob me or hurt my family. Basically the reason I would carry a gun is because others do and not everyone else who carries a gun is nice.

Being that you're not even 18, I will let this statement speak for itself. You will eventually mature and gain real-world experience at some point, and realize how ridiculous you sound right now.

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: loic2003
It's as though allowing morons to buy lethal weapons so they feel like bad-boys was a sh!t idea!

You are so right. We might as well pull every vehicle off the road that can do more than 5mph while we are at it.

When your government demands the keys to your shiny new bike please feel free to come back and post about how much safer you feel.

Cars and bikes are vehicles used for transport and aren't devices soley designed to kill people. Cars are rarely used as a weapon, whereas a gun (which, by the way, IS a weapon) is on a daily basis. It's a very subtle difference, I know, but an important one nonetheless.

A gun is not a tool. Have a little think about it.

Not when in the hands of the elderly who mow down the occasional farmer's market. Even without intent, cars/motorcycles are far more deadly to a population in a first world country than guns if you look at the statistics.

Gun crime is almost always the result of larger social issues. In the case of the US a large percentage of it is directly attributable to our ruinous drug policy. All gun bans really do is shift the bulk of the crime to other categories, it never actually disappears. That's what happens when you treat a symptom instead of the cause.

ah, that makes sense. Shall we hand chainsaws to babies and only consider it a problem when death rates overtake driving fatalities?

I know 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' and all that.... but the guns kinda help a bit, don't they? When clowns leave guns in unlocked cars, it means some kid who's potentially just trying to steal some cash from cars now has a lethal projectile weapon. What if tonight the kid finds his girlfriend cheating on him? Instead of beating up the guy, now he gets shot. That's the difference that guns make.
Same with the suicidal guy who might otherwise try to OD on some pills, survive, then have a change of heart down the line. It's difficult to change your mind when you've turned your brains into a work of modern art on the wall behind you.

 

[randalee]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
See, that's a line of thinking that will get you killed. If you pull a gun you damned well better be intent on using it and you damned well better aim to kill. Wounding a person is NOT what you should be trying to do in a life or death situation.

Oh, and chainsaws are also quite good at cutting down trees...they don't make good weapons though outside of video games anyway. Please stop comparing yard tools to guns...they aren't the same.

I will never shoot, intending to kill someone. However, as I said earlier, the only warning shot will be to center mass. And anything worth shooting once is worth shooting three times. My only intention will be to STOP their attack.

And agreed, I will stop comparing yard tools to guns.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: randalee

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
See, that's a line of thinking that will get you killed. If you pull a gun you damned well better be intent on using it and you damned well better aim to kill. Wounding a person is NOT what you should be trying to do in a life or death situation.

Oh, and chainsaws are also quite good at cutting down trees...they don't make good weapons though outside of video games anyway. Please stop comparing yard tools to guns...they aren't the same.

I will never shoot, intending to kill someone. However, as I said earlier, the only warning shot will be to center mass. And anything worth shooting once is worth shooting three times. My only intention will be to STOP their attack.

And agreed, I will stop comparing yard tools to guns.

:beer:Thank you! :laugh:

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: XNice
I wouldn't even bother replying to loic's juvenile logic and bad grammar.

People get so scared when faced with an object that requires alot of responsibility. On the other hand, randalee made himself the scapegoat that weaker minded people can use to blame what is wrong with everything in their tunnel reality.

All of a sudden randalee is a lazy, cheap, irresponsible gun owner because he left his car unlocked and someone stole the gun he concealed in the glove box. Computer nerds have a long ways to go before understanding something as complex and non-IT as the 2nd amendment.

He had a responsiblity and he failed(keeping the pistol secure when not on his person) = irresponsible.

Failure to purchase and install a gun safe for his vehicle, which is not that expensive, for the times when he can't carry the pistol = cheap and lazy.

 

[randalee]

Cheap, yes, I certainly am cheap. Lazy, well, I guess you could call me lazy. I wasn't about to leave it home and leave myself unarmed. Me driving back and forth, just to leave my gun at home would have been silly.

PE, I have taken your post to heart and done a lot of thinking. It certainly wouldn't be too hard to install some sort of lock box to keep it secured in and bolted in the car. It's a great idea, and you actually have me considering one. Does it have a quick open capability (four finger buttons or something similar)?

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: XNice
I wouldn't even bother replying to loic's juvenile logic and bad grammar.

People get so scared when faced with an object that requires alot of responsibility. On the other hand, randalee made himself the scapegoat that weaker minded people can use to blame what is wrong with everything in their tunnel reality.

All of a sudden randalee is a lazy, cheap, irresponsible gun owner because he left his car unlocked and someone stole the gun he concealed in the glove box. Computer nerds have a long ways to go before understanding something as complex and non-IT as the 2nd amendment.

He had a responsiblity and he failed(keeping the pistol secure when not on his person) = irresponsible.

Failure to purchase and install a gun safe for his vehicle, which is not that expensive, for the times when he can't carry the pistol = cheap and lazy.

i'd like to know how often he needs to leave it in the vehicle.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: loic2003
It's as though allowing morons to buy lethal weapons so they feel like bad-boys was a sh!t idea!

You are so right. We might as well pull every vehicle off the road that can do more than 5mph while we are at it.

When your government demands the keys to your shiny new bike please feel free to come back and post about how much safer you feel.

Cars and bikes are vehicles used for transport and aren't devices soley designed to kill people. Cars are rarely used as a weapon, whereas a gun (which, by the way, IS a weapon) is on a daily basis. It's a very subtle difference, I know, but an important one nonetheless.

A gun is not a tool. Have a little think about it.

Not when in the hands of the elderly who mow down the occasional farmer's market. Even without intent, cars/motorcycles are far more deadly to a population in a first world country than guns if you look at the statistics.

Gun crime is almost always the result of larger social issues. In the case of the US a large percentage of it is directly attributable to our ruinous drug policy. All gun bans really do is shift the bulk of the crime to other categories, it never actually disappears. That's what happens when you treat a symptom instead of the cause.

ah, that makes sense. Shall we hand chainsaws to babies and only consider it a problem when death rates overtake driving fatalities?

I know 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' and all that.... but the guns kinda help a bit, don't they? When clowns leave guns in unlocked cars, it means some kid who's potentially just trying to steal some cash from cars now has a lethal projectile weapon. What if tonight the kid finds his girlfriend cheating on him? Instead of beating up the guy, now he gets shot. That's the difference that guns make.
Same with the suicidal guy who might otherwise try to OD on some pills, survive, then have a change of heart down the line. It's difficult to change your mind when you've turned your brains into a work of modern art on the wall behind you.

People managed to kill eachother with their bare hands and edged/blunt weapons for thousands of years before firearms (and still do for that matter). Again, all you would really acomplish is to shift the homicide method not reduce the actual number substantially. People kill themselves all kinds of different ways, most of the "cry for help" variety don't use firearms because they don't really want to be successful.

 

[randalee]

Originally posted by: pontifex
i'd like to know how often he needs to leave it in the vehicle.

It's one of the few times I've needed to do that. Only other times is when I've parked at the airport and been flying to a state that doesn't recognize my concealed carry permit.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: randalee

Originally posted by: zinfamous
Those tools are designed to build things. Improve a situation, perhaps. Firearms are designed to kill. Kill an animal, kill a person. The only reason firearms are made, is to kill. Quite simple, really. And don't spout any BS about "shooting to wound." Just as swords, maces were designed and implemented for efficient killing, so to were guns.

A person with a gun can definitely kill another person. So could a person with a chainsaw. The primary purpose of my firearm is to effectively STOP another person that may kill or otherwise cause serious bodily harm to myself or others.

A bullet is simply one of the most effective ways to stop an attacker. True, a person could die from their wounds. But my intent is never to kill a person.

You're proving more and more that you're too irresponsible to own a gun. You try to shoot someone to "stop" them, you're more likely to miss, and hit or kill some innocent passerby.

Also, I can't fathom how so few people comprehend the intent of the creation of a firearm...Simply the progression in military technology--you know, weapons designed to kill on the battlefield. Also, progression from hunting. Also, instruments designed to kill. A firearm is in no way designed to stop something. It is designed to kill. very simple concept to grasp. It is how the weilder implements this instrument that decides whether it kills or "stops."

People killl people...come-the-fvck on. Show me a gun killing without a person's involvement. People have killed people from the time we crawled out of the trees, and before then...guns are simply another effective means to that end.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: randalee

Originally posted by: pontifex
i'd like to know how often he needs to leave it in the vehicle.

It's one of the few times I've needed to do that. Only other times is when I've parked at the airport and been flying to a state that doesn't recognize my concealed carry permit.

would it be cost effective to buy and install a car gun safe? sure, it would have (probably) saved your gun (but so could have making sure the doors were locked), but would it be worth it to you.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: CptObvious

Originally posted by: pontifex

captobvious needs a new name and glasses.

What are you talking about?

you obviously didn't read the OP or thread before posting

 

[randalee]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
You're proving more and more that you're too irresponsible to own a gun. You try to shoot someone to "stop" them, you're more likely to miss, and hit or kill some innocent passerby.

You misunderstand me. My "shooting to stop" will be repeated shots to center mass, until the person is "stopped" from their attack. I'm not talking about trying to shoot someone in the knee or something.

Why try aim for a knee or arm or whatever, when a person has a perfectly good 2'x2' target to point at?

 

[CptObvious]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: CptObvious

Originally posted by: pontifex

captobvious needs a new name and glasses.

What are you talking about?

you obviously didn't read the OP or thread before posting

Uh, I did read the OP, but I still don't know what your beef about my post was.

 

[XNice]

Stop whining people, registered gun owners are not the ones killing people, unless you're a cop(story in itself). The people killing people and committing murders are the ones with ILLEGAL FIREARMS. Leave Randalee alone with all of your ill-fated anti-gun bullshit.

I never keep my gun in my safe, but I don't have kids. Even if I did have kids, education and proper training goes a long way towards safety.