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Md. town using "red light cameras" to ticket people stoping over the white line.

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deftron

Lifer

Just saw this on local news


http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/new...over_red_light_cameras


They showed the camera going off the split second the light turned red and if any cars were mere inches on top of or beyond the line.

Supposedly, people are actually getting tickets mailed to them.


I dont know if they are getting red light tickets or stopping past the line tickets, but regardless... it seems pretty Big Bother, fascist, and petty (especially if they are getting red light tickets STOPPING just beyond the line)
 
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
I got my first ticket for that. Stopped over the white line at a stop sign. :/
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Such a dumb law.


Should be you cannot stop in the flow of perpendicular taffic



I know of several intersections, that if you stopped behind the white line, you would not be able to see oncoming traffic in the cross road... you have to pull up a bit to look before you go.
 
This'll be great in Erie. I assume it's from the constant plowing, as a lot of those white lines are almost entirely gone from intersections. And if the roads are covered in snow (September through May), well, only the cameras will know where the line is.

Ah yes, that's so much fun, driving in the city on roads you're not familiar with, when all the lane markers are covered in snow, as are the signs indicating which lane is right turn, left turn, or straight only.
But, I digress.



Originally posted by: deftron
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
I got my first ticket for that. Stopped over the white line at a stop sign. :/
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Such a dumb law.

Should be you cannot stop in the flow of perpendicular taffic

I know of several intersections, that if you stopped behind the white line, you would not be able to see oncoming traffic in the cross road... you have to pull up a bit to look before you go.
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Or intersections where right turns on red are permitted. I know of quite a few where that would not be possible if you stayed behind the white line, which would of course back up traffic.


Computers should be enforcing traffic laws only after computers are also piloting the vehicles.

 
Originally posted by: deftron
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
I got my first ticket for that. Stopped over the white line at a stop sign. :/
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Such a dumb law.


Should be you cannot stop in the flow of perpendicular taffic



I know of several intersections, that if you stopped behind the white line, you would not be able to see oncoming traffic in the cross road... you have to pull up a bit to look before you go.
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Agreed, it's total BS. I think what they told me in driving school was that you have to come to a complete stop behind the line, and then you can begin to creep forward if you would otherwise be unable to see. But who does that? It's just an unnecessary waste of time. As long as you're not in the intersection, there shouldn't be a problem. And how are you supposed to know where the very end of your car's nose is?

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Wouldn't be a problem if you don't put your car beyond the line. The line is kind of there for that reason after all.
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WOW that didn't take long! Here comes the "I'm perfect" squad!

The news report said that going over even by inches was enough. Tell me, do you stop your car before any part of it (even the very end of the hood) ends up over any part of the white line? Every single time? Before you say "yes," please consider how you would even know for sure if that's true (unless you stop really, really far back from the light).

Now please die in a fire.
 
For the record, I would support a cop giving a ticket to someone who is so far out into the intersection at a light that he is blocking pedestrian traffic and becoming too close to perpendicular traffic. But only if the cop is actually there and he thinks it is actually worth the trouble. Using cameras intended to catch red light runners to force people to stop well short of an almost arbitrary white line is madness. May as well just throw everyone in jail.
 
Towns are trying to extract revenue from its citizens any way they can. Even if nobody is around to see it they want to be sure that they get their false entitlement.

You know the saying "Does a bear shit in the woods?".

The answer is now to pass a law making it illegal to shit in the woods and then set up cameras throughout the woods. Then in case a bear does in fact shit in the woods the town is entitled to some money.
 
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
For the record, I would support a cop giving a ticket to someone who is so far out into the intersection at a light that he is blocking pedestrian traffic and becoming too close to perpendicular traffic. But only if the cop is actually there and he thinks it is actually worth the trouble. Using cameras intended to catch red light runners to force people to stop well short of an almost arbitrary white line is madness. May as well just throw everyone in jail.
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Cameras can enforce anything. We're used to red light cameras, but speed cameras are more prevalent in the rest of the world.
 
We are supposed to stop behind the white line. That being said I hardly ever do and I may be mistaken but at least in a right turn on red situation once you stop behind the line you are allowed to pass the line in a manner that allows you to see oncoming traffic. Must be something about stopping behind the white line and then being able to advance after coming to a complete stop.
 
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
We are supposed to stop behind the white line. That being said I hardly ever do and I may be mistaken but at least in a right turn on red situation once you stop behind the line you are allowed to pass the line in a manner that allows you to see oncoming traffic. Must be something about stopping behind the white line and then being able to advance after coming to a complete stop.
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Correct. Double stops-- when I took my driver's test, the cop took me on a route where there was a stop sign far back from an intersecting road. I made sure I stopped before the white line, counted to 3, moved up so I could see, counted to 3, and then went.

Bunch of my classmates failed the driver's test for not doing exactly that.
 
thank god...maybe now I can finally see while making a right turn on red if that douchebag in the SUV camped out in the crosswalk in the middle lane finally gets a clue that the big ass white solid line is there for a reason...jus sayin...
 
Originally posted by: spacejamz
thank god...maybe now I can finally see while making a right turn on red if that douchebag in the SUV camped out in the crosswalk in the middle lane finally gets a clue that the big ass white solid line is there for a reason...jus sayin...
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Being in the city, the number of people that stop in the crosswalk make it very dangerous for pedestrians. Having cameras here would make things safer.
 
Originally posted by: spacejamz
thank god...maybe now I can finally see while making a right turn on red if that douchebag in the SUV camped out in the crosswalk in the middle lane finally gets a clue that the big ass white solid line is there for a reason...jus sayin...
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This. I myself drive an Expedition and always make sure to stay well back from the intersection so traffic can see beyond the tremendously sized hood. Also if I'm in the turn lane to turn left and traffic to my right is also turning left, it makes it alot easier for them to get around me if my nose isn't halfway into the intersection.
 
Originally posted by: deftron
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
I got my first ticket for that. Stopped over the white line at a stop sign. :/
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Such a dumb law.


Should be you cannot stop in the flow of perpendicular taffic
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No, the line is generally positioned so that you won't interfere with turning traffic.

I know of several intersections, that if you stopped behind the white line, you would not be able to see oncoming traffic in the cross road... you have to pull up a bit to look before you go.
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You're supposed to stop at the line, then pull up if you're not impeding anyone's path.


People shouldn't be getting tickets for being "inches" over the line. Being significantly past the line to the point of impeding traffic - maybe a ticket is justified then, but it shouldn't be the same offense as running the red light (nor should it get you any points on your license)
 
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
The news report said that going over even by inches was enough. Tell me, do you stop your car before any part of it (even the very end of the hood) ends up over any part of the white line? Every single time? Before you say "yes," please consider how you would even know for sure if that's true (unless you stop really, really far back from the light).

Now please die in a fire.
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So you're one of the dumbasses I see on the road every day. :roll: Who the hell taught you how to drive? WTF is wrong with you if you can't tell where your car ends unless you're "really, really far back from the light"?
 
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Wouldn't be a problem if you don't put your car beyond the line. The line is kind of there for that reason after all.
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Truly naive.

Here in Washington, as in most other states, you can actually go into the intersection on a red light. The only caveat is that you have to be turning to do so. Also, if you are IN the intersection before the light turns red, you have the right of way to proceed through the intersection. Because, you know, the point of traffic lights is to allow traffic to flow smoothly without accidents, NOT to make some people "right" and other people "wrong". This isn't the Olympics, there aren't judges standing by the intersection holding up "10.0" cards when you make a perfect, smooth, controlled stop right up to the line, and furthermore, the thought that all harsh laws are OK because "only lawbreakers need to worry" is the mother of all slippery slopes.
 
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