MCE - Does it come with Remote Desktop Server?

Praetor

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See subject. Does MCE2005 come with RDServer so I can RD into it from other Windows boxen? I'm thinking about switching my media box away from MythTV to MCE and would sorely miss being able to ssh in and control the box.
 

ND40oz

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I think it does, I'll check for you tomorrow morning when I get into work. I have my box on a domain though, I don't know if that will make a difference.
 

Praetor

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It shouldn't make a difference at all. Being on a domain just affects the networking aspect. I know I COULD use VNC, but I would like to keep things simple and use RDP if at possible.
 

ND40oz

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Yeah, i just know i had to do some major registry hacks to get in on the domain and load some stuff from xp pro. I don't know if that affected anything, because MCE2k5 doesn't include domain support unless you join during install and I unfortunately didn't have my nic drivers slipstreamed in, so I had to join it post-install.
 

BigLan

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MCE lets you connect to it via RD, it's actually part of the main MCE setup wizard.
 

Phoenix86

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MCE is based on Pro, so you can RDP both ways. All the features of Pro are in MCE+the MCE apps.
 

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Originally posted by: Phoenix86
MCE is based on Pro, so you can RDP both ways. All the features of Pro are in MCE+the MCE apps.

MCE is based on XP, Pro is one feature set (as is Home, Tablet, and MCE). MCE does not contain all the features of Pro.

Bill
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
MCE is based on Pro, so you can RDP both ways. All the features of Pro are in MCE+the MCE apps.

MCE is based on XP, Pro is one feature set (as is Home, Tablet, and MCE). MCE does not contain all the features of Pro.

Bill

Hmm, looks like that's true for MCE05. Do you know of any features Pro has that MCE05 doesn't?
 

bsobel

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Hmm, looks like that's true for MCE05. Do you know of any features Pro has that MCE05 doesn't?

MS really made it weird (IMHO). Basically MCE doesn't have official domain support (yes, you can make it work, but you won't get support from MS. Not too important, few enterprises would buy MCE edition anyhow). The second is cache credentials (network credential manager). That is unavailable starting in 2005 *unless* your upgrading from 2004 (or you use a boot disk and set the upgrade registry key ;) ).

I think they tried too hard to differentiate the feature set, it would be easiest for everyone if MCE was just the Pro feature set (minus domains). But no..... :)
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Hmm, looks like that's true for MCE05. Do you know of any features Pro has that MCE05 doesn't?

MS really made it weird (IMHO). Basically MCE doesn't have official domain support (yes, you can make it work, but you won't get support from MS. Not too important, few enterprises would buy MCE edition anyhow). The second is cache credentials (network credential manager). That is unavailable starting in 2005 *unless* your upgrading from 2004 (or you use a boot disk and set the upgrade registry key ;) ).

I think they tried too hard to differentiate the feature set, it would be easiest for everyone if MCE was just the Pro feature set (minus domains). But no..... :)
Hmm, that's kinda tragic. Yeah it definatly looks like they are*trying* to create a unique subset, but failed to grasp it's market.

Heck I'd say domain support should be in MCE. What, corporations don't have use for MCE? :confused: OK...

Either give MCE all of Pro's features or make MCE home and MCE Pro (obviously the latter is not a good solution).
Of course that'd mean MCE would be more expensive than Pro, guess that's their problem.
 

stash

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Domain support wasn't removed as some sort of marketing decision. It was done because fast user switching is required (currently) to support Media Extenders.
 

BigLan

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It was also removed so that Pro would still have a market: companies that need to connect to a domain.
 

stash

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It was also removed so that Pro would still have a market: companies that need to connect to a domain.

Uh, no. Do you really think that if MCE supported joining a domain, all the coporate IT departments around the world would race to replace their existing Windows 2000 and XP installs?
 

bsobel

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Heck I'd say domain support should be in MCE. What, corporations don't have use for MCE? :confused: OK...

Can't tell if that was a joke or serious question... I don't know of any enterprises that are looking to roll out the media center functionality to their employees (you expect them to enable them to watch tv all day or something?).
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Heck I'd say domain support should be in MCE. What, corporations don't have use for MCE? :confused: OK...

Can't tell if that was a joke or serious question... I don't know of any enterprises that are looking to roll out the media center functionality to their employees (you expect them to enable them to watch tv all day or something?).

Heh, no it's legit. ;)

We have several TVs setup in certian offices. And yes, they are for our employees to watch TV all day. They are investors, who watch CNN and other news junk. MCE functionality could easily be used there in place of the TV+cable box+DVR, in which case it'd need to be managed like other workstations, so domain functionality is usefull.

I guess "missing their market" is overboard. But what does one do in the case above? Manually manage the PC? Setup a VLAN just for a single unmanaged PC? Eww.

We though about using MCE when we set it up a few years back, but it was "too new".
 

stash

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Interesting scenario :)

I'm sure you know, but you do have one opportunity to join the MCE box to the domain, during setup. If you aren't going to a MCX device, it might be worth it. There's always that issue of supportibility from Microsoft's perspective to worry about though ;)
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: STaSh
Interesting scenario :)

I'm sure you know, but you do have one opportunity to join the MCE box to the domain, during setup. If you aren't going to a MCX device, it might be worth it. There's always that issue of supportibility from Microsoft's perspective to worry about though ;)

Yeah, only a minor problem in a production environment. :p

In reality it wouldn't be an issue since there is an unsupported work-a-round, and it's not like a HTPC is "critical" or anything, but still...

In the finance world, watching TV *is* working. ;)