McDonald's Manager Fired For AIDS Wins Lawsuit

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Amused

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Originally posted by: Ornery
Forcing someone out...

This is subjective... period. Left to a jury to decide, I'm not surprised they sided with "the little guy." Given the state of our legal system, not even the least bit surprising.

Your bias is palpable.

Do you deny that ANY people with AIDS have been forced out or fired for their condition?
 

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Rich reported that he became ill with full-blown AIDS in January 1997 and was hospitalized for 21 days. Shortly after returning to work at the franchise, he was offered a management position with the chain's corporate entity. According to Martin, Rich was interested in the transfer because he saw no possibility of further advancement with the franchise and wanted the medical benefits. Interviewed by Odell Jones, McDonald's senior human resources director, Rich did not mention he had AIDS, but, according to the Gay Today article, clearly stated that he'd need health insurance because of a pre-existing condition. He said he presented Jones with a ``letter of insurability." Jones assured him that there would be no problem. ``It's open enrollment," Rich quoted Jones as saying, and declined to take the letter, insisting it wouldn't be needed and that Rich would be covered. ``Had Jones not promised me health insurance at my interview I would never have left my [previous] position," Rich told Gay Today. ``I was provided health care there for my condition and if I'd left to go to a job where I didn't have health insurance, well, it would be like holding a gun to my own head."

Rich's attorney related to Bay Windows the events that resulted in his dismissal: ``Russell was placed in a store in Minerva, Ohio, about an hour's drive southeast of Akron. He was assigned to a general manager who would not permit him to perform the normal duties of a store manager. Two weeks later, he was hospitalized. When [his boss] visited him she discovered that he had a quarantine sign on his door that read: 'Stop. See nurse.'"

According to Martin, the manager became alarmed and told Jones. Rich returned to work with a doctor's slip, which was refused. Instead, he was required to sign a release of medical records as a condition of his continuing employment. It was at that point, Martin reported, that Rich told McDonald's he had AIDS.

Rich's manager assigned him long working hours and told him he could not handle food, Martin explained. ``They adamantly refused to let him schedule working hours for employees or order supplies," she said. ``Those are the two key management functions that play into the profitability of a store. He was disciplined in August 1997 for job abandonment, an offense that can cause an employee to be terminated. He also was told that because he had delegated closing the store [to another employee in order] to shorten his long working hours, he had abandoned his shift and that in the future he had to call his general manager to leave the store."

A McDonald's human resources officer testified at trial that the job abandonment citation had been made in error, according to Martin, and that Jones should have removed it from Rich's personnel file.

Martin also presented evidence that Rich had complained to his doctor and his supervisor about the excessive work hours: ``The operations manager told him that she was too busy to talk to him for two weeks. He said he couldn't tolerate the working conditions and that he would have to take an unpaid leave of absence, which he did."

Rich traveled to Florida for a long weekend (Martin said that at trial McDonald's ``tried to paint it like he took a lark"). While there, he became ill and was hospitalized for gall bladder surgery. It was then that Rich discovered that he did not have any health insurance. McDonald's ``had failed to enroll him," Martin reported. ``They said it was a mistake, but it was a shock he had to live through. From his hospital bed, he was frantically calling his doctor and insurance provider in Akron. He discovered that he would not be covered for any AIDS-related illnesses or medication because it was a pre-existing condition." McDonald's, Martin said, eventually paid the $30,000 hospital bill, but ``Russell is stuck with paying all his HIV treatment costs and obviously cannot get that insurance now. He also lost his life insurance. They never enrolled him in life insurance but did take out payroll deductions. I think anybody can make an honest mistake. That's possible. But once he brought it to their attention that they had neglected to put his health insurance through, they should also have put his life insurance through. McDonald's never reimbursed him for the premium deductions."

After leaving McDonald's, Rich worked briefly for a department store and two other chain restaurants, then had to go on disability. Recently, he felt well enough to return to work and is now employed by Summa Health Systems in Akron.

It's pretty obvious that he was discriminated against in violation of the ADA, Ornery.

The sudden change in duties and neutering of his management duities alone bear that out.
 

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...he decided to move to corporate-owned McDonald's to advance his career in 1997.

The only thing obvious to me, is that if he had stayed put, none of this would have happened. We have no idea what kind of management ability he really had. If his lack of talent became apparent after his move, what is the company supposed to do with him? Is he entitled to a job, with duties of his choosing, for life, or what? Apparently, people like you and Dave seem to think so.
 

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Originally posted by: Ornery
...he decided to move to corporate-owned McDonald's to advance his career in 1997.

The only thing obvious to me, is that if he had stayed put, none of this would have happened. We have no idea what kind of management ability he really had. If his lack of talent became apparent after his move, what is the company supposed to do with him? Is he entitled to a job, with duties of his choosing, for life, or what? Apparently, people like you and Dave seem to think so.

i think ppl are looking tomuch to what was said by them only.

what if he sucked as a manager and was forced to leave because of that, and aids wasnt even the issue, but since he has that disability he sued for that, its so one sided right now
 

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The proper solution for mcdonalds would have been to move him into a management desk job (usually just upgrade their position, put them in corporate headquarters into a job that will keep them away from food, something like corporate safety) and wait until the disease made him unable to work. Forcing him out is the actions of a very stupid middle manager.
 

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Originally posted by: Ornery
...he decided to move to corporate-owned McDonald's to advance his career in 1997.

The only thing obvious to me, is that if he had stayed put, none of this would have happened. We have no idea what kind of management ability he really had. If his lack of talent became apparent after his move, what is the company supposed to do with him? Is he entitled to a job, with duties of his choosing, for life, or what? Apparently, people like you and Dave seem to think so.

He took a better position in the company. That's a GOOD thing and indicitive of his competence.

Ornery, you're looking for ANY excuse to condemn this guy when it is painfully obvious the management at McDonald's discriminated against him. ALL the negative things started happening RIGHT AFTER they demanded his medical records, and discovered he was HIV+. How much more blatent can they be before you'll admit they violated the ADA?

This has NOTHING to do with "entitlement" and everything to do with violating federal law.
 

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Originally posted by: Mrvile
Nearly died of the illness? ...So he got better?? :confused:

Yes. With treatment, AIDS can be mananged in most people and they can live fairly long, healthy lives. Without treatment, once they have full blown AIDS, their lives are quite short.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: rahvin
The proper solution for mcdonalds would have been to move him into a management desk job (usually just upgrade their position, put them in corporate headquarters into a job that will keep them away from food, something like corporate safety) and wait until the disease made him unable to work. Forcing him out is the actions of a very stupid middle manager.

Why stop him from handling food at all?

It is impossible for a food service worker to transmit HIV via food.

Just an FYI for you irrational scaredy cats out there:

There are an estimated 100,000 HIV+ food service workers in the US. This number includes only restaurants. There are thousands more handling the food you buy at supermarkets as well.

Have fun starving yourselves over your irrational fears.
 

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Steven Catlett, an attorney for McDonald's, said the evidence would show that the company accommodated his hospital time off and a second hospitalization to have his gall bladder removed. Rich was offered a similar-paying job in Lodi, located southwest of Cleveland, but resigned. The company said another manager was given his position in Minerva during Rich's second hospitalization.

"Russell Rich quit. McDonald's didn't fire him," Catlett said.

Catlett portrayed Rich as a good employee at a low-key franchise restaurant who was unprepared for a more structured and closely supervised company-owned location. "It's a lot more people to have to answer to," Catlett said. Catlett said company policy acknowledges that AIDS cannot be spread through food handling and the company doesn't discriminate against people with AIDS.

Rich worked for McDonald's just four months at the company-owned restaurant and, taking into account his hospital stays and a convention, was available to work just 59 days over that period, Catlett said.

Rich said he suffered four life-threatening illnesses between 1997 and 2001 because he could not afford medication.

This is the second trial on the lawsuit. A jury awarded Rich $5 million after a 2001 trial but the verdict was overturned on appeal because the trial judge incorrectly instructed jurors on the law. A different judge is presiding over the second trial.

Rich rejected a $300,000 settlement offer. Rich said he pursued the suit because McDonald's should pay for his AIDS medications costing tens of thousands of dollars a year, not the taxpayer-financed Ohio AIDS Drug Assistance Program.
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Originally posted by: Amused
Why stop him from handling food at all?

It is impossible for a food service worker to transmit HIV via food.

Just an FYI for you irrational scaredy cats out there:

There are an estimated 100,000 HIV+ food service workers in the US. This number includes only restaurants. There are thousands more handling the food you buy at supermarkets as well.

Have fun starving yourselves over your irrational fears.

Don't lecture me Amused. I know perfectly well that the risks of infection are almost non-existant.

You move him into a desk job because if some reporter finds out he has aids and writes a story on it, (to make themselves a career) the irrational fear that the public would show would devistate sales. It would be an incredibly bad business risk on the publicity alone of leaving him in a postion where he is handling food. And on the simple problem that if management is even aware that he has the disease he isn't keeping it confidential enough to avoid a disclosure that would damage sales.
 

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ALL the negative things started happening RIGHT AFTER they demanded his medical records

ALL the negative things started happening RIGHT AFTER he switched careers.

"He was assigned to a general manager who would not permit him to perform the normal duties of a store manager. Two weeks later, he was hospitalized."

"Rich worked for McDonald's just four months at the company-owned restaurant and, taking into account his hospital stays and a convention, was available to work just 59 days over that period, Catlett said."
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Legendary
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: Amused
This kinda has a side issue for me... As a year or so ago I asked in a poll if people would avoid a restaurant if someone with AIDS worked there.

Sadly, the majority choose to show their ignorance and voted "yes." :(

I probably would, just because I'm scared of AIDS. What if the finger in your salad turns out to have HIV? Or does anyone remember the disgruntled employee who put his HIV ridden blood in a ketchup dispenser?

There are very few ways to get HIV/AIDS. Either semen or blood must either contact the blood or a mucous membrane. I think there are only three mucous membranes in the human body - anus, genitals and nose, so unless you're snorting blood or semen, you should be OK in a restaurant. Additionally, HIV/AIDS dies almost instantly when it hits the air, so amputated limbs would be pretty safe (regarding AIDS, obviously you still don't want to eat them.) If I recall, it's very difficult to get AIDS from swallowing anything, but I'm not too sure about that.

Not only difficult, but damn near impossible. The ONLY documented case of oral transmission of HIV was kissing, and that was an extraordinary (and questionable) case between two people with horrible gum disease and open, oozing sores in their mouths.

In anyone else, saliva and stomach acids kill the virus.


I remember watching a thing on the learning channel about 'vampires' you know the nutty people that like to drink blood. Anyway, they had doctor drew from loveline on it and he said that the only way you could get HIV from swallowing blood was if it was absorbed by the esophagus, and that it would rarely happen. But obviously you dont want to drink HIV positive blood.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Nearly died of the illness? ...So he got better?? :confused:

Yes. With treatment, AIDS can be mananged in most people and they can live fairly long, healthy lives. Without treatment, once they have full blown AIDS, their lives are quite short.

Ooooh I see.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Ornery
He figures he'll get more sympathy in this forum.

:roll:

I'm FAR from a bleeding heart, or a liberal, Ornery. And you know it.

For such a "law and order" guy, you sure have no problem when people break the law in this case, don't you?

Not one, but TWO seperate juries found McDonald's guilty of discrimination.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Steven Catlett, an attorney for McDonald's, said the evidence would show that the company accommodated his hospital time off and a second hospitalization to have his gall bladder removed. Rich was offered a similar-paying job in Lodi, located southwest of Cleveland, but resigned. The company said another manager was given his position in Minerva during Rich's second hospitalization.

"Russell Rich quit. McDonald's didn't fire him," Catlett said.

Catlett portrayed Rich as a good employee at a low-key franchise restaurant who was unprepared for a more structured and closely supervised company-owned location. "It's a lot more people to have to answer to," Catlett said. Catlett said company policy acknowledges that AIDS cannot be spread through food handling and the company doesn't discriminate against people with AIDS.

Rich worked for McDonald's just four months at the company-owned restaurant and, taking into account his hospital stays and a convention, was available to work just 59 days over that period, Catlett said.

Rich said he suffered four life-threatening illnesses between 1997 and 2001 because he could not afford medication.

This is the second trial on the lawsuit. A jury awarded Rich $5 million after a 2001 trial but the verdict was overturned on appeal because the trial judge incorrectly instructed jurors on the law. A different judge is presiding over the second trial.

Rich rejected a $300,000 settlement offer. Rich said he pursued the suit because McDonald's should pay for his AIDS medications costing tens of thousands of dollars a year, not the taxpayer-financed Ohio AIDS Drug Assistance Program.
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Sorry, but that simply doesn't wash. Forbiding him to handle food, and forcing him to work dramtically longer hours for basically the SAME job description is absurd... and BOTH juries knew this.
 

Ornery

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For such a "law and order" guy, you sure have no problem when people break the law in this case, don't you?

Not one, but TWO seperate juries found McDonald's guilty of discrimination.


Too many people go after the deep pocket corporations, because it's easy money in this country. Too many juries award insane judgments against these deep pocket entities.

Catlett portrayed Rich as a good employee at a low-key franchise restaurant who was unprepared for a more structured and closely supervised company-owned location.

That totally makes sense and happens all the time, but makes for a very poor news story, and fodder for activists.
 

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Originally posted by: Ornery
McDonald's made his life a living hell and in October of 1997.

Proof? I doubt it. Just a bunch of bleeding hearts on a jury going after deep corporate pockets.

I'm going to guess this guy was missing a LOT of work, which instigated the whole problem. There is a cap that your employer's insurance has to meet, before you go on to your own coverage, or Medicaid. Either way, if you can't show up to do your job, what obligation is the company under to keep you?

I agree, it's pathetic for people to state that McD's should pay him for life.
Here is a tip - Don't get AIDS!

Here is a tip - Go ahead and die, you son of a bstch. You have no idea what it would be like to have AIDS.