I don't get it... who's ever made the argument that having been a prison of war is a qualification for being president? he might have used the press to run for congress in '82, but his chief qualification seems to be his 20+ years working in the federal government and the legislative record under his belt.
I don't get it... who's ever made the argument that having been a prison of war is a qualification for being president? he might have used the press to run for congress in '82, but his chief qualification seems to be his 20+ years working in the federal government and the legislative record under his belt.
Whoozyerdaddy
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Did you watch the Saddleback ranch interview? He did a very long diatribe about his experience in the military and he has plenty of advertisements about his experience.
Before Vietnam, it was Korea and WW2. In the future, it's likely to be Iraq. Heck, 1 or 2 elections from now and we may have a candidate who served in the first Gulf War.
polarmystery
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kage69
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Yeah that thread title needs work.
From the linked article:
That's pretty much what I've been saying for awhile now. The man kissed his integrity and spine goodbye long, long ago I'm sorry to say. I'm baffled by the support some show him, not over his service record, but over his track record since getting the GOP snub in 2000. Pretty damning stuff, or at least it should be to those who have in the past been so concerned with "class" and "morals." It's hard for me to imagine him doing and saying more to indicate what a piss poor choice he is for president. This is no time in our history to elect a brash, almost nonsensical hothead who should be in a nursing home.
And I agree that this is no where near the level of sleeze and propaganda that was spewed over Kerry in 2004 via The SwiftLiars. Not even close. I would have voted for the man in 2000, but come this November I'd sooner write Butterbean (or similar brain donor) on the ballot than vote for poor old oxygen deprived McCain.
Might want to read it again, as it seems you missed :
For someone out with sour grapes, he dusted McCain with a fair amount of sugar I'd say...unless you'd like to explain what terms like 'remarkable,' 'respect,' and 'proud' are to mean apart from their commonly accepted definitions in the English language.
I see Butler works for Veterans for Peace. Was that the group that the Bush Admin got caught abusing their powers over, the whole directing the FBI to spy on them due to their criticism of the Iraqi invasion? Anyone know?
From the linked article:
That's pretty much what I've been saying for awhile now. The man kissed his integrity and spine goodbye long, long ago I'm sorry to say. I'm baffled by the support some show him, not over his service record, but over his track record since getting the GOP snub in 2000. Pretty damning stuff, or at least it should be to those who have in the past been so concerned with "class" and "morals." It's hard for me to imagine him doing and saying more to indicate what a piss poor choice he is for president. This is no time in our history to elect a brash, almost nonsensical hothead who should be in a nursing home.
And I agree that this is no where near the level of sleeze and propaganda that was spewed over Kerry in 2004 via The SwiftLiars. Not even close. I would have voted for the man in 2000, but come this November I'd sooner write Butterbean (or similar brain donor) on the ballot than vote for poor old oxygen deprived McCain.
Might want to read it again, as it seems you missed :
For someone out with sour grapes, he dusted McCain with a fair amount of sugar I'd say...unless you'd like to explain what terms like 'remarkable,' 'respect,' and 'proud' are to mean apart from their commonly accepted definitions in the English language.
I see Butler works for Veterans for Peace. Was that the group that the Bush Admin got caught abusing their powers over, the whole directing the FBI to spy on them due to their criticism of the Iraqi invasion? Anyone know?
Veterans Solidly Back McCain
Prefer McCain to Obama by 56% to 34%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109...ain.aspx?version=print
PRINCETON, NJ -- With both presidential candidates addressing the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention this week (John McCain on Monday and Barack Obama on Tuesday), Gallup finds that registered voters who have served in the U.S. military solidly back McCain over Obama, 56% to 34%.
This is based on aggregated data from Aug. 5-17 Gallup Poll Daily tracking, involving interviews with more than 11,000 registered voters, including 2,238 military veterans. Veterans are defined as those who are or have been members of the U.S. military. Obama leads McCain 46% to 43% among all registered voters during this time.
Not at all suprising.
Prefer McCain to Obama by 56% to 34%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109...ain.aspx?version=print
PRINCETON, NJ -- With both presidential candidates addressing the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention this week (John McCain on Monday and Barack Obama on Tuesday), Gallup finds that registered voters who have served in the U.S. military solidly back McCain over Obama, 56% to 34%.
This is based on aggregated data from Aug. 5-17 Gallup Poll Daily tracking, involving interviews with more than 11,000 registered voters, including 2,238 military veterans. Veterans are defined as those who are or have been members of the U.S. military. Obama leads McCain 46% to 43% among all registered voters during this time.
Not at all suprising.
Lemon law
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We are all missing the point, McCain is just one of some 600 Vietnam era POW's, what McCain did is not a wit more or less honorable than the rest of that group of 600.
Yet in that group of 600 of former POW's, only McCain is self promoting his own qualifications while other similar POW's do not all agree with the lessons has taken from the Vietnam war.
If we assume only former POW's have special insights and military qualifications, we must compare McCain to that peer group of 600.
Thus far, many of that peer group is now dead, I see almost zero McCain support in the former 600, and can cite at least two of that 600 group who have come away with a negative opinion of McCain and have so stated in public.
But three out of 600 is hardly a consensus on either side.
Yet in that group of 600 of former POW's, only McCain is self promoting his own qualifications while other similar POW's do not all agree with the lessons has taken from the Vietnam war.
If we assume only former POW's have special insights and military qualifications, we must compare McCain to that peer group of 600.
Thus far, many of that peer group is now dead, I see almost zero McCain support in the former 600, and can cite at least two of that 600 group who have come away with a negative opinion of McCain and have so stated in public.
But three out of 600 is hardly a consensus on either side.
umbrella39
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Lemon law
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Lupi, I see I will get no bites from you as I cast pearls of wisdom before swine. I had really hoped you would have the integrity to try to refute a valid point, but as I can see, I will find no intellectual honesty in you.
But at the core, that is the McCain military argument, that POW status conferred on him special insights.
But at the core, that is the McCain military argument, that POW status conferred on him special insights.
Originally posted by: dahunan
can someone answer this please? easier than looking it up
It's in the article, which is worth reading.
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Siddhartha
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"It is also disappointing to see him take on and support Bush's war in Iraq, even stating we might be there for another 100 years. For me John represents the entrenched and bankrupt policies of Washington-as-usual. The past 7 years have proven to be disastrous for our country. And I believe John's views on war, foreign policy, economics, environment, health care, education, national infrastructure and other important areas are much the same as those of the Bush administration.
I'm disappointed to see John represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He is not a moderate Republican. On some issues he is a maverick. But his voting record is far to the right. I fear for his nominations to our Supreme Court, and the consequent continuing loss of individual freedoms, especially regarding moral and religious issues. John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist ministers lately. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush because I know he hates that man. He disingenuously and famously put his arm around the guy, even after Bush had intensely disrespected him with lies and slander. So on these and many other instances, I don't see that John is the "straight talk express" markets himself to be."
I'm disappointed to see John represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He is not a moderate Republican. On some issues he is a maverick. But his voting record is far to the right. I fear for his nominations to our Supreme Court, and the consequent continuing loss of individual freedoms, especially regarding moral and religious issues. John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist ministers lately. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush because I know he hates that man. He disingenuously and famously put his arm around the guy, even after Bush had intensely disrespected him with lies and slander. So on these and many other instances, I don't see that John is the "straight talk express" markets himself to be."
waggy
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the more i think about it i have somce "conclusions" on McCain!
He was offered to go home. he refused. why? he was in a HILTON! why would you leave that to go back to war? the fuckign pansy! instead he stays in comfort and hide behind others instead of doing his duty and going back to fight.
sickening!@
He was offered to go home. he refused. why? he was in a HILTON! why would you leave that to go back to war? the fuckign pansy! instead he stays in comfort and hide behind others instead of doing his duty and going back to fight.
sickening!@
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