McCain's Former POW Speaks Out...

[Vette73]

McCain's Former POW Speaks Out Against Him

Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain


Ha, and people thought Kerry got it hard for his Military time. McCain has a lot to answer for if he keeps pushing his time in the military.

 

[StageLeft]

Not sure if this will get traction. It's ok to condemn a guy for not doing his service, but the citizens here are not interested in condemning a military serviceman for a job not so well done, so it's a bit of a non-starter.

Most of this is week. I never got the impression mccain felt he was one of a few POWs as this guy seems to contend.

So I believe John's age (73) and survival expectation are not good for being elected to serve as our President for 4 or more years.

I do believe this wholeheartedly. I look at him and I just do NOT see the constitution of a guy who can last four years of high-stress. Absolutely not. I will be floored if he gets through four years of pres without a major health complication or death, that just reality. He is old and looks like he's on the verge of a one-time major fatal heart-attack.

John represents the entrenched and bankrupt policies of Washington-as-usual

Me, too.

This guy's personal experience with McCain isn't really anything against mccain. His valid arguments against mccain are ones we can all make, such as his lock step support of Bush at almost every turn.

 

[JD50]

What is so detrimental about this? So the guy doesn't think McCain should be President, join the club, a lot of us feel that way. He wasn't giving McCain a hard time for his service...

Senator John Sidney McCain, III is a remarkable man who has made enormous personal achievements. And he is a man that I am proud to call a fellow POW who "Returned With Honor." That's our POW motto.

OMG, McCain is doomed!!!>?!?!

 

[Genx87]

His complaints about John are he was a wild man in college 50 years ago and he was a POW longer than McCain?

So McCain was only tortured for 2.5 years. Ok, good to know.
McCain actually recieved medical treatment for his broken bones. Terrible indeed!
McCain didnt leave when offered(confirmed)
So because others in his situation of being a POW and being tortured recieved medals. It means McCain's mean nothing?

The rest of it is just a personal difference on policy and politics.
I have a feeling this wont be a swift boat situation. It isnt like McCain is claiming he was a POW when we wasnt. This guy just has a different personal view of how things went down.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
McCain's Former POW Speaks Out Against Him

Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain


Ha, and people thought Kerry got it hard for his Military time. McCain has a lot to answer for if he keeps pushing his time in the military.

After reading the entire article, it appears the writer is just spewing sour grapes because more attention is being paid to McCain (as it should since he is a senator) than this guy. Too bad. Nothing in his article indicates a problem with McCains service record.

 

[Red Dawn]

From what I gather skimming over that article the author is just saying that McCain isn't any more special than any of the other POWs which McCain never claimed to be.

 

[LegendKiller]

Interesting about the offers for release, I didn't know that. From what I remember, those who support McCain use it as an example of how honorable he is.

 

[Cogman]

I'm not voting for McCain. But reading this, it doesn't hold a candle to what the swift boat veterans had to say about Kerry. Basically this guy is mad because McCain is getting press for being a POW and he didn't, even though he was one longer. Well, if this guy ran for president then he too would have the same amount of press about him being a POW.

What people don't realize is that being a POW or a war vet in no way qualifies or disqualifies someone for president. Great, you where a POW, what does that instantly mean you are going to be a better president?

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Ha, and people thought Kerry got it hard for his Military time. McCain has a lot to answer for if he keeps pushing his time in the military.

Oh, and did you even read the article? Kerry talked about shooting civilians and was accused of shooting himself to get out of service. This guy is saying that McCain shouldn't be president not because he served dishonorably, but rather because all he points too is his service.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Cogman
I'm not voting for McCain. But reading this, it doesn't hold a candle to what the swift boat veterans had to say about Kerry. Basically this guy is mad because McCain is getting press for being a POW and he didn't, even though he was one longer. Well, if this guy ran for president then he too would have the same amount of press about him being a POW.

What people don't realize is that being a POW or a war vet in no way qualifies or disqualifies someone for president. Great, you where a POW, what does that instantly mean you are going to be a better president?

Point is this is just 1 person who is not in a AD/Group, that i know of. The convetion has not even happneed, and there is already talk of this. Wait until someone with money starts looking around and talks to more people that were with McCain. I don;t think this single person will do any major harm, but it does plant a seed of what is to come.

I would think McCain would be smart after seeing what happened to Kerry and what Bush did to him when he kept bringing up his military time.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Interesting about the offers for release, I didn't know that. From what I remember, those who support McCain use it as an example of how honorable he is.

So? How does this change that?

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: Genx87
His complaints about John are he was a wild man in college 50 years ago and he was a POW longer than McCain?

So McCain was only tortured for 2.5 years. Ok, good to know.
McCain actually recieved medical treatment for his broken bones. Terrible indeed!
McCain didnt leave when offered(confirmed)
So because others in his situation of being a POW and being tortured recieved medals. It means McCain's mean nothing?

The rest of it is just a personal difference on policy and politics.
I have a feeling this wont be a swift boat situation. It isnt like McCain is claiming he was a POW when we wasnt. This guy just has a different personal view of how things went down.

You forgot the whole temper thing..... did you read the article?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Cogman
I'm not voting for McCain. But reading this, it doesn't hold a candle to what the swift boat veterans had to say about Kerry. Basically this guy is mad because McCain is getting press for being a POW and he didn't, even though he was one longer. Well, if this guy ran for president then he too would have the same amount of press about him being a POW.

What people don't realize is that being a POW or a war vet in no way qualifies or disqualifies someone for president. Great, you where a POW, what does that instantly mean you are going to be a better president?

Point is this is just 1 person who is not in a AD/Group, that i know of. The convetion has not even happneed, and there is already talk of this. Wait until someone with money starts looking around and talks to more people that were with McCain. I don;t think this single person will do any major harm, but it does plant a seed of what is to come.

I would think McCain would be smart after seeing what happened to Kerry and what Bush did to him when he kept bringing up his military time.

Yes, I'm sure McCain is very concerned about more people coming out and saying how honorable he was, that he was tortured for 2.5 years, that he refused early release, etc....

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: GTKeeper

Originally posted by: Genx87
His complaints about John are he was a wild man in college 50 years ago and he was a POW longer than McCain?

So McCain was only tortured for 2.5 years. Ok, good to know.
McCain actually recieved medical treatment for his broken bones. Terrible indeed!
McCain didnt leave when offered(confirmed)
So because others in his situation of being a POW and being tortured recieved medals. It means McCain's mean nothing?

The rest of it is just a personal difference on policy and politics.
I have a feeling this wont be a swift boat situation. It isnt like McCain is claiming he was a POW when we wasnt. This guy just has a different personal view of how things went down.

You forgot the whole temper thing..... did you read the article?

You guys are really grasping at straws here. I don't even support McCain, but this is weak sauce.

There are plenty of substantive things to criticize McCain about, I'm not sure why you guys are focusing on this.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Cogman
I'm not voting for McCain. But reading this, it doesn't hold a candle to what the swift boat veterans had to say about Kerry. Basically this guy is mad because McCain is getting press for being a POW and he didn't, even though he was one longer. Well, if this guy ran for president then he too would have the same amount of press about him being a POW.

What people don't realize is that being a POW or a war vet in no way qualifies or disqualifies someone for president. Great, you where a POW, what does that instantly mean you are going to be a better president?

Point is this is just 1 person who is not in a AD/Group, that i know of. The convetion has not even happneed, and there is already talk of this. Wait until someone with money starts looking around and talks to more people that were with McCain. I don;t think this single person will do any major harm, but it does plant a seed of what is to come.

I would think McCain would be smart after seeing what happened to Kerry and what Bush did to him when he kept bringing up his military time.

So wait, if someone says something bad about someone, the sooner before an election that they say it the more likely it is that its going to do lots of damage to them because other people will follow suit? So that means that McCain MUST have done worse things. Is that the logic you are going for? If so, it seems REALLY flawed.

 

[lupi]

Mccain took someone prisoner?

 

[Lemon law]

Sadly, I think many critics of Butler will seize on the fact that he is now a peace and justice activist. But still, for someone like me, Butler makes many very valid points without ever once questioning McCain's service to this country.

But how very odd, two men, both graduates of the Naval academy, both ending up being POW's, and one used self advertisement of his POW status to start a political career, and the other stayed in the Navy without exploiting his POW status. But post Navy career, both ended up with quite different thinking about the world.

I am sure both of them would meet my sniff test of good people to sit down and have a beer with on the back porch. McCain would probably be more colorful and entertaining, but I think I would learn far more talking to Butler. And in terms of a sniff test of which you would rather share a foxhole with in a firefight, I think I would cast my lot with a Butler also

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Interesting about the offers for release, I didn't know that. From what I remember, those who support McCain use it as an example of how honorable he is.

So? How does this change that?

They use it as an example of how he was given favorable treatment and turned it down, whereas others might not have. The story always went that he got it because he was an Admiral's son, not because they gave it to everybody. As the article points out, McCain wasn't an extraordinary soldier.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Interesting about the offers for release, I didn't know that. From what I remember, those who support McCain use it as an example of how honorable he is.

So? How does this change that?

They use it as an example of how he was given favorable treatment and turned it down, whereas others might not have. The story always went that he got it because he was an Admiral's son, not because they gave it to everybody. As the article points out, McCain wasn't an extraordinary soldier.

Even if that is true, it doesn't make him any less honorable for turning down the offer for release. Also, McCain wasn't even a soldier at all, much less an extraordinary soldier...

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Interesting about the offers for release, I didn't know that. From what I remember, those who support McCain use it as an example of how honorable he is.

So? How does this change that?

They use it as an example of how he was given favorable treatment and turned it down, whereas others might not have. The story always went that he got it because he was an Admiral's son, not because they gave it to everybody. As the article points out, McCain wasn't an extraordinary soldier.

Even if that is true, it doesn't make him any less honorable for turning down the offer for release. Also, McCain wasn't even a soldier at all, much less an extraordinary soldier...

I never said he was less honorable. My intent was to point out that the import of the event isn't as strong if it's customary. Now you're just nit picking, you know what I meant.

 

[Jhhnn]

While McCain hasn't claimed superhero status wrt his wartime imprisonment, some of his supporters certainly have.

Butler merely points out that he and 600 others endured much the same as McCain- that they were all honorable, steadfast, and loyal- none of which makes any of them uniquely qualified to be President.

And Butler's remarks certainly don't even begin to approach the whaleshit level of the SwiftLiars' attack- he's obviously respectful of McCain, he just doesn't think McCain would be a good president, states his reasons in rational terms.

Anybody who has a real problem with that needs to look at themselves rather than at Butler...

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
While McCain hasn't claimed superhero status wrt his wartime imprisonment, some of his supporters certainly have.

Butler merely points out that he and 600 others endured much the same as McCain- that they were all honorable, steadfast, and loyal- none of which makes any of them uniquely qualified to be President.

And Butler's remarks certainly don't even begin to approach the whaleshit level of the SwiftLiars' attack- he's obviously respectful of McCain, he just doesn't think McCain would be a good president, states his reasons in rational terms.

Anybody who has a real problem with that needs to look at themselves rather than at Butler...

Actually McCain mentions it all the time. He constantly talks about his POW experience. Now I don't think there is anything wrong with that, I mean I would do the same thing if I were him. I wish people would stop saying he's not using it as a campaign issue when he obviously is though.

 

[dahunan]

He got an offer from the Vietnamese soldiers who were holding him captive for early release or just release from his service at some point in his short career? IHDK

 

[palehorse]

/dumb

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
While McCain hasn't claimed superhero status wrt his wartime imprisonment, some of his supporters certainly have.

Butler merely points out that he and 600 others endured much the same as McCain- that they were all honorable, steadfast, and loyal- none of which makes any of them uniquely qualified to be President.

And Butler's remarks certainly don't even begin to approach the whaleshit level of the SwiftLiars' attack- he's obviously respectful of McCain, he just doesn't think McCain would be a good president, states his reasons in rational terms.

Anybody who has a real problem with that needs to look at themselves rather than at Butler...

Actually McCain mentions it all the time. He constantly talks about his POW experience. Now I don't think there is anything wrong with that, I mean I would do the same thing if I were him. I wish people would stop saying he's not using it as a campaign issue when he obviously is though.

You're right, of course. McCain does speak of it often, leaving the embellishments and attributions to others. He plays it well, and for all it's worth, too...

Blended with attacks on Obama's patriotism, the whole reference attempts to create a false dichotomy, unfortunately...