McCain was ready to attack Obama if he HAD visited the troops at Landstuhl

[Stoneburner]

http://www.businessweek.com/th...07/the_new_normal.html


Here's the relevant quote

What the McCain campaign doesn?t want people to know, according to one GOP strategist I spoke with over the weekend, is that they had an ad script ready to go if Obama had visited the wounded troops saying that Obama was...wait for it...using wounded troops as campaign props. So, no matter which way Obama turned, McCain had an Obama bashing ad ready to launch.

Saw this on the dailykos and found it very amusing. Classic, "damned if you do, damned if you don't" moment.

Also, classic, "I am so desperate I'd sacrifice my own mother to win now" moment.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
http://www.businessweek.com/th...07/the_new_normal.html


Here's the relevant quote

What the McCain campaign doesn?t want people to know, according to one GOP strategist I spoke with over the weekend, is that they had an ad script ready to go if Obama had visited the wounded troops saying that Obama was...wait for it...using wounded troops as campaign props. So, no matter which way Obama turned, McCain had an Obama bashing ad ready to launch.

Saw this on the dailykos and found it very amusing. Classic, "damned if you do, damned if you don't" moment.

Also, classic, "I am so desperate I'd sacrifice my own mother to win now" moment.

Funny Obama claims to be above such ads yet keeps showing ads likening McCain to Bush.
They're both going to play dirty, it's just that Obamites can't see the truth.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
http://www.businessweek.com/th...07/the_new_normal.html


Here's the relevant quote

What the McCain campaign doesn?t want people to know, according to one GOP strategist I spoke with over the weekend, is that they had an ad script ready to go if Obama had visited the wounded troops saying that Obama was...wait for it...using wounded troops as campaign props. So, no matter which way Obama turned, McCain had an Obama bashing ad ready to launch.

Saw this on the dailykos and found it very amusing. Classic, "damned if you do, damned if you don't" moment.

Also, classic, "I am so desperate I'd sacrifice my own mother to win now" moment.

Funny Obama claims to be above such ads yet keeps showing ads likening McCain to Bush.
They're both going to play dirty, it's just that Obamites can't see the truth.

And let me guess, you clearly see the truth like you see the sun outside? :roll:

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
http://www.businessweek.com/th...07/the_new_normal.html


Here's the relevant quote

What the McCain campaign doesn?t want people to know, according to one GOP strategist I spoke with over the weekend, is that they had an ad script ready to go if Obama had visited the wounded troops saying that Obama was...wait for it...using wounded troops as campaign props. So, no matter which way Obama turned, McCain had an Obama bashing ad ready to launch.

Saw this on the dailykos and found it very amusing. Classic, "damned if you do, damned if you don't" moment.

Also, classic, "I am so desperate I'd sacrifice my own mother to win now" moment.

Funny Obama claims to be above such ads yet keeps showing ads likening McCain to Bush.
They're both going to play dirty, it's just that Obamites can't see the truth.

hehehehe so ads that report the truth in that McCain will reenact much of the same policy directions as GWB are now deemed "dirty ads"

Its like the GOP eating its own children now....goshallmighty!

evidently no one is around anymore to defend Bush?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
http://www.businessweek.com/th...07/the_new_normal.html


Here's the relevant quote

What the McCain campaign doesn?t want people to know, according to one GOP strategist I spoke with over the weekend, is that they had an ad script ready to go if Obama had visited the wounded troops saying that Obama was...wait for it...using wounded troops as campaign props. So, no matter which way Obama turned, McCain had an Obama bashing ad ready to launch.

Saw this on the dailykos and found it very amusing. Classic, "damned if you do, damned if you don't" moment.

Also, classic, "I am so desperate I'd sacrifice my own mother to win now" moment.

Funny Obama claims to be above such ads yet keeps showing ads likening McCain to Bush.
They're both going to play dirty, it's just that Obamites can't see the truth.

What? Obama has ads ready to go attacking McCain for not being like Bush. I think you don't know dirty from dirty because you have no real moral center.

 

[ProfJohn]

Explain to me why Obama didn't visit the troops.

His decision to visit or not visit is far more important that how McCain was going to react to his actions.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Sounds like a wise campaign strategy in our world of trash politics. Fortunately for Obama, he seems to have found a competent campaign team that made the right move in regards to the troop visit. Perhaps Obama brought on consultants from Bush's 2 presidential campaigns. If you can get Bush elected twice, you obviously know what you are doing.

 

[nageov3t]

madness.

it's like they're politicians running against eachother or something :shocked:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Explain to me why Obama didn't visit the troops.

His decision to visit or not visit is far more important that how McCain was going to react to his actions.

The Pentagon requested that he not visit them

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Explain to me why Obama didn't visit the troops.

His decision to visit or not visit is far more important that how McCain was going to react to his actions.

The Pentagon requested that he not visit them

Wrong. He was asked not to bring campaign staff but was welcome as a visiting Senator. Obama chose not to come at all when he would have been very welcome if he had just brought himself.

 

[ProfJohn]

Are you sure about that Red??
From Obama himself
"I was going to be accompanied by one of my advisers, a former military officer. And we got notice that he would be treated as a campaign person, and it would therefore be perceived as political because he had endorsed my candidacy, but he wasn't on the Senate staff."

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Explain to me why Obama didn't visit the troops.

His decision to visit or not visit is far more important that how McCain was going to react to his actions.

The Pentagon requested that he not visit them

Wrong. He was asked not to bring campaign staff but was welcome as a visiting Senator. Obama chose not to come at all when he would have been very welcome if he had just brought himself.

I wonder why he didn't just go by himself without the media and his one campaign staffer?

which, according to the Pentagon, was the rules.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Explain to me why Obama didn't visit the troops.

His decision to visit or not visit is far more important that how McCain was going to react to his actions.

Because he knew he'd be accused of playing politics with wounded troops?

Explain to me why you think he didn't visit the troops?

 

[fskimospy]

Did anyone seriously not know this already? Of course McCain was going to attack Obama either way. It's the same thing as the overseas visit. McCain attacks Obama for how he hasn't been to Iraq, and then attacks him when he does go. If you visit the troops on your trip you're using our Brave Men and Women as campaign props. If you don't visit them because you don't want them to be viewed as campaign props then you don't care about our Brave Men and Women.

I thought this was so obvious everyone knew it? You don't really think that McCain actually believes that Obama doesn't care about our troops do you? It's just a convenient way to slam your opponents.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: loki8481
madness.

it's like they're politicians running against eachother or something :shocked:

So McCain is the typical, cynical, flip flopping politician that he always said he was not?

He who would not take the the low road (load) to the highest office (hiffice) in the land?

he who wants a positive campaign?

The great John McCain, the ... MAVERICK!

He's a desperate tool. He should have kept a premium on integrity. He may win or lose this election but his much vaunted integrity is revealed as a sham.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Are you sure about that Red??
From Obama himself
"I was going to be accompanied by one of my advisers, a former military officer. And we got notice that he would be treated as a campaign person, and it would therefore be perceived as political because he had endorsed my candidacy, but he wasn't on the Senate staff."

Alright. Now why is his decision to visit or not so important? I'm sure those soldiers still would have viewed it as political campaigning, I know I would have and I'm positive all the Hannity's, the Limbaughs and all the other Right Wing Blow Hards that spew the McCain talking points would have made a real big deal out of it.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
http://www.businessweek.com/th...07/the_new_normal.html


Here's the relevant quote

What the McCain campaign doesn?t want people to know, according to one GOP strategist I spoke with over the weekend, is that they had an ad script ready to go if Obama had visited the wounded troops saying that Obama was...wait for it...using wounded troops as campaign props. So, no matter which way Obama turned, McCain had an Obama bashing ad ready to launch.

Saw this on the dailykos and found it very amusing. Classic, "damned if you do, damned if you don't" moment.

Also, classic, "I am so desperate I'd sacrifice my own mother to win now" moment.

Funny Obama claims to be above such ads yet keeps showing ads likening McCain to Bush.
They're both going to play dirty, it's just that Obamites can't see the truth.

More than 90% of Obama ads don't even mention McCain, yet one third of McCain's ads are negative anti-Obama ads. This isn't a matter of two campaings running similar strategies. McCain is trying to make the race a referrendum on Obama, probably because the less people think about McCain the less they'll realize they don't like him either.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._on_el_pr/angry_mccain

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: loki8481
madness.

it's like they're politicians running against eachother or something :shocked:

So McCain is the typical, cynical, flip flopping politician that he always said he was not?

He who would not take the the low road (load) to the highest office (office) in the land?

he who wants a positive campaign?

The great John McCain, the ... MAVERICK!

He's a desperate tool. He should have kept a premium on integrity. He may win or lose this election but his much vaunted integrity is revealed as a sham.

can you blame him? look at what the Obama people did to the Clintons, framing them as racists. maybe he's going with the best defense being a good offense.

politics ain't beanbag and I don't think McCain has crossed that threshold where he's really mudslinging, though.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Explain to me why Obama didn't visit the troops.

His decision to visit or not visit is far more important that how McCain was going to react to his actions.

Because he knew he'd be accused of playing politics with wounded troops?

Explain to me why you think he didn't visit the troops?

So he didn't visit, even though he wanted to, because he was afraid that he'd be accused of playing politics?

You make him sound like the world's biggest pussy of a politician.

He's running for President of the USA and is intimidated by claims, gasp, that a candidate might do things for political gain?

Personally, I really don't care about him visiting the troops or not. But I'm noticing some real BS posturing on his part. His campaign's story on this simple little episode has changed numerous times. Far too Clintonian for me.

Besides, this whole "playing politics with wounded troops" is utter bullsh!t anyway. Visit the troops with your security team and/or Senate staff as per long established Pentagon rules; just don't splash campaign photos around about it afterward. How the h3ll could anybody accuse him of a "political stunt" if it was never seen and no media were there?

Fern

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Explain to me why Obama didn't visit the troops.

His decision to visit or not visit is far more important that how McCain was going to react to his actions.

Because he knew he'd be accused of playing politics with wounded troops?

Explain to me why you think he didn't visit the troops?

So he didn't visit, even though he wanted to, because he was afraid that he'd be accused of playing politics?

You make him sound like the world's biggest pussy of a politician.

He's running for President of the USA and is intimidated by claims, gasp, that a candidate might do things for political gain?

Personally, I really don't care about him visiting the troops or not. But I'm noticing some real BS posturing on his part. His campaign's story on this simple little episode has changed numerous times. Far too Clintonian for me.

Besides, this whole "playing politics with wounded troops" is utter bullsh!t anyway. Visit the troops with your security team and/or Senate staff as per long established Pentagon rules; just don't splash campaign photos around about it afterward. How the h3ll could anybody accuse him of a "political stunt" if it was never seen and no media were there?

Fern

OMG, you are critical of his decision, who would have ever thought:roll: WHat you think doesn't matter as you were never going to vote for him anyway, same with Projo and the other Partisan Republicans

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
http://www.businessweek.com/th...07/the_new_normal.html


Here's the relevant quote

What the McCain campaign doesn?t want people to know, according to one GOP strategist I spoke with over the weekend, is that they had an ad script ready to go if Obama had visited the wounded troops saying that Obama was...wait for it...using wounded troops as campaign props. So, no matter which way Obama turned, McCain had an Obama bashing ad ready to launch.

Saw this on the dailykos and found it very amusing. Classic, "damned if you do, damned if you don't" moment.

Also, classic, "I am so desperate I'd sacrifice my own mother to win now" moment.

Funny Obama claims to be above such ads yet keeps showing ads likening McCain to Bush.
They're both going to play dirty, it's just that Obamites can't see the truth.

More than 90% of Obama ads don't even mention McCain, yet one third of McCain's ads are negative anti-Obama ads. This isn't a matter of two campaings running similar strategies. McCain is trying to make the race a referrendum on Obama, probably because the less people think about McCain the less they'll realize they don't like him either.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._on_el_pr/angry_mccain

Again, classic campaign strategy. If you're ahead you make positive ads about yourself, if you're behind you attack the other guy. Positive ads never backfire, negative ads sometimes do. If you're ahead you don't really need to take those chances, but in this case McCain does.

Oh wait I forgot, Dave said that McCain has the electoral college locked up and that he doesn't even need to campaign to win. He should save all that money he's spending on ads and have some sort of kickass party. Do you know how many inflatable bounce castles $80 million buys?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Funny Obama claims to be above such ads yet keeps showing ads likening McCain to Bush.

That's far more relevant to the election than McCain's ad comparing Obama to Brittany Spears or Paris Hilton.

Of course, you can always ask South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford to explain the differences between the Bushwhackos' economic polices and McCain's.

BLITZER: Are there any significant economic differences between what the Bush administration has put forward over these many years as opposed to now what John McCain supports?

SANFORD: Um, yeah, I mean take for instance, take... you know... umm... uhhh... Take for instance the.. the issue of... of... uhh... of uhh...

:laugh:

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
http://www.businessweek.com/th...07/the_new_normal.html


Here's the relevant quote

What the McCain campaign doesn?t want people to know, according to one GOP strategist I spoke with over the weekend, is that they had an ad script ready to go if Obama had visited the wounded troops saying that Obama was...wait for it...using wounded troops as campaign props. So, no matter which way Obama turned, McCain had an Obama bashing ad ready to launch.

Saw this on the dailykos and found it very amusing. Classic, "damned if you do, damned if you don't" moment.

Also, classic, "I am so desperate I'd sacrifice my own mother to win now" moment.

Funny Obama claims to be above such ads yet keeps showing ads likening McCain to Bush.
They're both going to play dirty, it's just that Obamites can't see the truth.

hehehehe so ads that report the truth in that McCain will reenact much of the same policy directions as GWB are now deemed "dirty ads"

Its like the GOP eating its own children now....goshallmighty!

evidently no one is around anymore to defend Bush?

Thankfully that's a trend--defending Bush--that has little grounding here. People are run out like the scum they are when they do it.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-

OMG, you are critical of his decision, who would have ever thought:roll: WHat you think doesn't matter as you were never going to vote for him anyway, same with Projo and the other Partisan Republicans

Hehe.

[Golf Clap] You just scored a zero.

The one thing I'm NOT critical of is his decision to visit (or not). As I said, I don't care whether he did or didn't.

Since when does it require that one be supportive of a politician before they can criticize them?

Instead of disqualifying my remarks because of my political leanings, how about attempting to disqualify them based on the merits, or lack thereof, of the remarks themselves?

Fern

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-

OMG, you are critical of his decision, who would have ever thought:roll: WHat you think doesn't matter as you were never going to vote for him anyway, same with Projo and the other Partisan Republicans

Hehe.

[Golf Clap] You just scored a zero.

The one thing I'm NOT critical of is his decision to visit (or not). As I said, I don't care whether he did or didn't.

Since when does it require that one be supportive of a politician before they can criticize them?

Instead of disqualifying my remarks because of my political leanings, how about attempting to disqualify them based on the merits, or lack thereof, of the remarks themselves?

Fern

And if I bothered to take the time and effort it would matter in this forum? Surely you jest.