McCain takes credit for passage of bill that failed

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OrByte

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That's the grand total of House Republicans from Texas and Arizona who voted "aye" for the bailout bill.

It says something about the sway Bush and McCain have that they couldn't fare any better among their home state allies.

There are 23 total Republicans in the House from the two states. None of the four Arizona Republicans, conservatives all, supported the measure.


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Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: jbourne77
The only thing that blew up in anyone's face is this thread.

Care to explain or just trolling as usual?

Why explain myself when you can just as easily read the thread?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: OrByte
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That's the grand total of House Republicans from Texas and Arizona who voted "aye" for the bailout bill.

It says something about the sway Bush and McCain have that they couldn't fare any better among their home state allies.

There are 23 total Republicans in the House from the two states. None of the four Arizona Republicans, conservatives all, supported the measure.


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Wow... that's just damning in light of both of their claims to rally party members to the bill.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: jbourne77
The only thing that blew up in anyone's face is this thread.

Care to explain or just trolling as usual?

Why explain myself when you can just as easily read the thread?

Your post makes no sense whatsoever.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Obama took strong credit for the bill last night when it looked like it would pass. Obama claimed mmany of the provisions as his own.

No, he didn't. He stated his positions, but did not say they were things he had created.

In the debate he ticked off four things he thought the bill needed. He didn't say he had iniated them - merely that it was his position.

You're just wrong on this from the evidence I've seen.

This incident provides an example of two of McCain's problems: reckless impulsiveness, and a willingness to deceive in grabbing credit.
 

Balt

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McCain just gave a brief statement. He managed to avoid blaming the entire thing on Barack Obama this time.
 

Viditor

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Originally posted by: Balt
McCain just gave a brief statement. He managed to avoid blaming the entire thing on Barack Obama this time.

Nope...at the end he blamed Obama for making it partisan and sinking it. The funniest bit was that with his very next breath he said we should fix the problem and not blame people!
:)
What a clown...
 

Balt

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Originally posted by: Viditor
Originally posted by: Balt
McCain just gave a brief statement. He managed to avoid blaming the entire thing on Barack Obama this time.

Nope...at the end he blamed Obama for making it partisan and sinking it. The funniest bit was that with his very next breath he said we should fix the problem and not blame people!
:)
What a clown...

Woops, I guess I just zoned out and missed it. ;)
 

AnnonUSA

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Neither one of them deserve credit. This is a bad deal, no matter how it is sliced. Wall Street wins, Taxpayers lose.

Today the house rejected the bill, and the Fed Injected (Printed up) another $630 Billion dollars of Credit into the market. Who Ok'd that? Who voted yes or no on that $630 billion? The fed doesn't need permission to inflate and float currency, they have no oversight. The $700 Billion Bailout bill is a horse and pony show, designed to allow Congress and the Senate to buy votes with the naive voting public. We are supposed to say "oh look Congress is fighting for us, the taxpayers." when in reality they are doing nothing but playing a game, which will lead to passage of the worst financial bill in US history. You can bet the bill will pass by Friday.
 

nageov3t

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Obama and McCain are both showing pathetic leadership of their parties throughout this whole thing.
 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
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SCHIEFFER: Let me ask you this. You and senator McCain took very different approaches to this. He suspended his campaign. He called for a big summit meeting in Washington.

OBAMA: Right.

SCHIEFFER: You -- you stood back a little bit at that point. Now that this -- it looks like they?ve gotten some agreement, should Senator McCain be getting the credit, here...
... forcing these people back to the negotiating table?

OBAMA: No. Look, here are the facts. For two weeks, I was on the phone every day with Secretary Paulson and the congressional leaders, making sure that the principles that have ultimately been adopted were incorporated into the bill.

I mean, if you think about it, those items that you mentioned at the top of the show, none of those were in the president?s provision. They are identical to the things I called for the day that Secretary Paulson released his package.

That, I think, is an indication of the degree to which, when it comes to protecting taxpayers, I was pushing very hard and involved in shaping those provisions.

But understand this. The important thing here is making sure that we don?t have a photo op session. Because this is serious. We should not have been here in the first place.

And, you know, I think the critical debate that we?re going to have to have between myself and Senator McCain moving forward is how do we prevent this kind of thing from happening again?
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Obama on FTN 9/28/08.

McCain gets no credit according to Obama.

From your post, also bolded above, this is what Obama said after explaining his position
"We should not have been here in the first place."

Unlike McCain who made a big drama about the issue. Looks like Obama's 'wait & watch' stance was the more sensible approach.


 

Grunt03

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Counting your eggs before they hatched and it ends up blowing up in your face.

Standard operating procedures of Washington
 

Thump553

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For a person with nearly three decades of legislative experience behind him McCain actions in the last week regarding this crisis have been mind boggling. He has grandstanded instead of helping. He certainly has the skills and ability to do what he said he was going to do-but the outcome shows a horrible lack of judgment.
 

GroundedSailor

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Couldn't have said it better. This opinion really skewers McCain for his waffling.


Garrison Keillor: Where were the cops?

Garrison Keillor: Where were the cops?
By Garrison Keillor

Thursday, September 25, 2008
Where were the cops?

It's just human nature that some calamities register in the brain and others don't. The train engineer texting at the throttle ("HOW R U? C U L8R") and missing the red light and 25 people die in the crash - oh God, that is way too real - everyone has had a moment of supreme stupidity that came close to killing somebody. Even atheists say a little prayer now and then: Dear God, I am an idiot, thank you for protecting my children.

On the other hand, the America's federal bailout of the financial market (yawn) is a calamity that people accept as if it were just one more hurricane. An air of crisis, the secretary of the Treasury striding down a hall at the Capitol with minions in his wake, solemn-faced congressmen at the microphones. Something must be done, harrumph harrumph.

The Current Occupant pops out of the cuckoo clock and reads a few lines off a piece of paper, pronouncing all the words correctly. And the newscaster looks into the camera and says, "Etaoin shrdlu qwertyuiop."

Where is the outrage?

Poor Senator Larry Craig got a truckload of moral condemnation for tapping his wingtips in the men's john, but his party proposes to spend 5 percent of the GDP to buy up bad loans made by men who walk away with their fortunes intact while retirees see their 401(k) go pffffffff like a defunct air mattress, and it's business as usual.

John McCain is a lifelong deregulator and believer in letting brokers and bankers do as they please - remember Lincoln Savings and Loan and his intervention with federal regulators in behalf of his friend Charles Keating, who then went to prison? Remember Neil Bush, the brother of the C.O., who, as a director of Silverado S&L, bestowed enormous loans on his friends without telling fellow directors that the friends were friends and who, when the loans failed, paid a small fine and went skipping off to other things?

McCain now decries greed on Wall Street and suggests a commission be formed to look into the problem. This is like Casanova coming out for chastity.

Confident men took leave of common sense and bet on the idea of perpetual profit in the real estate market and crashed. But it wasn't their money. It was your money they were messing with. And that's why we need government regulators. Gimlet-eyed men with steel-rim glasses and crepe-soled shoes who check the numbers and have the power to say, "This is a scam and a hustle and either you cease and desist or you spend a few years in a minimum-security federal facility playing backgammon."

The Republican Party used to specialize in gimlet-eyed, steel-rim, crepe-soled common sense and then it was taken over by crooked preachers who demand Americans trust them because they're packing a Bible and God sent them on a mission to enact lower taxes, less government. Except when things crash, and then government has to pick up the pieces.

Some say the tab might come to a trillion dollars. Nobody knows. And McCain has not one moment of doubt or regret. He switches from First Deregulation Church to Our Lady of Strict Vigilance like you might go from decaf to latte. Where is the straight talk? Does the man have no conscience?

It wasn't their money they were playing with. It was yours. Where were the cops?

What we are seeing is the stuff of a novel, the public corruption of an American war hero. It is painful.

First, there was McCain's exploitation of a symbolic woman, an eager zealot who is so far out of her depth that it isn't funny anymore. Anyone with a heart has to hurt for how McCain has made a fool of her. Never mind the persistent cheesiness of his attack ads. And now this chasm of debt and loss and the gentleman pretends to be shocked. He was there. He turned out the lights. He sent the regulators home.

McCain seems willing to say anything, do anything, to get to the White House so he can go to war with Iran. If he needs to recline naked in a department store window, he would do that, or eat live chickens, or claim to be a reformer. Obviously you can fool a lot of people for a while and maybe he can stretch it out until mid-November. But the truth is marching on. A few true conservatives are leading a charge against the bailout. Good for them. But how about admitting that their cowboy economic philosophy was at fault here?


 

dawp

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If he keeps stressing like he has, McCain's gonna keal over before the election and leave Palin to pick someone else as VP.


Has any one ever died between the convention and the general election?
 

scruffypup

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McCain was right about it becoming partisan right before the vote,... however he directed it at Obama when it was Pelosi who did it on behalf of Obama.

The main problem really though is both sides want this to pass, both sides want to take credit, but too many of them have reelection at stake very soon and the majority of Americans did not understand this package (bailout is such a bad term), and rebelled against it. Politicians will be politicians and in general put their position ahead of the country,....

 

scruffypup

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I also feel McCain did get people to the table and to agree to pass this,.. but the calls from the voters to their representatives changed the deal when politicians consider who is up for reelection this nov. So McCain taking early credit may have been justified, but the public spoke and changed that.

I think we all need to consider we dont see 95% of what really goes on in Washington,... I don't think McCain was lying, I feel that the public changed things on him.
 

scruffypup

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Let's even take this a step further,.. they were all very worried about this and the present economic situation,.. they hammered out a 110+ page compromise which started as 3 pages in less than a week. When have you ever seen congress work that hard together? I don't think they would have presented it for a vote if they didn't think they had worked out enough details to satisfy the majority.
 

AstroManLuca

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I don't understand... why is McCain attacking Obama for the bailout bill not passing when:

1) Both candidates supported it, and
2) Far more Democrats than Republicans voted for the bill?

How stupid does he think voters are?
 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
I don't understand... why is McCain attacking Obama for the bailout bill not passing when:

1) Both candidates supported it, and
2) Far more Democrats than Republicans voted for the bill?

How stupid does he think voters are?

Bush Jr got 2 terms!!

 

uclaLabrat

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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
I don't understand... why is McCain attacking Obama for the bailout bill not passing when:

1) Both candidates supported it, and
2) Far more Democrats than Republicans voted for the bill?

How stupid does he think voters are?

Bush Jr got 2 terms!!

Game, set, match.